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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2009,13:29) Hi BD,
You told us that 20% of the world is muslim but you and I know most are either nominal believers or mad headed radicals so the number of true muslims is very small?
Why do they not accept the Lordship of Jesus and his teachings rather than bothering with rigid empty religion and useless politics?
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR 1.5 BILLION PEOPLE and I certainly cannot say how many are devoted or not. Jesus is lord but that doesn't make him The Lord God but his teachings are followed as all true followers pay heed to the prophets sent to them.Most Muslims are not political, do you really think those being persecuted by the Taliban (like little girls getting acid thrown on them for wanting to go to school) enjoy their oppression? Do you really think it is written in the Quran to not allow women education?
You must believe that in the Quran it says for a woman to cover herself from head to toe, but it doesn't it says the same thing that is taught in the Bible(be modest)
I don't blame you for this:
Bosnian Genocide
The Manjača concentration camp where Bosnain Muslim men were detained in 1992.Main article: Bosnian Genocide
Further information: Foča massacres, Srebrenica massacre, and Omarska camp
Although religious and ethnic strife has flared in the Balkans for centuries, modern persecution of Muslims occurred during the Yugoslav Wars. Wars in which numerous Bosniaks were beaten, tortured, sexually assaulted and ethnically cleansed. Both Serb and Croat Christians destroyed Bosniak communities, while fighting each other. Although some Serbs and Croats claimed that the persecutions were not religious in nature, their brutal focus on religious buildings and symbols belie those claims. In addition to denying persecution of Muslims, Serbs said it was "part of a war" as their excuse. In any case, it was both ethnic and religious cleansing. Virtually all traces of Bosniak presence and culture in the area were wiped out during the Foča massacres. Almost no Bosniaks remained in Foča. All mosques in the city were destroyed. On 22 April 1992, Serbs blew up the Aladža Mosque – one of the most famous mosques in the Balkans. Eight more mosques, from the 16th and 17th centuries, were also damaged or fully destroyed. On January 1994, the Serb authorities renamed Foča “Srbinje” (Serbian: Србиње), literally meaning "place of the Serbs" (from Srbi Serbs and -nje which is a Slavic locative suffix).[50] Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) women were raped by the Serbs as spoils of war and to show superiority and victory over the Bosniaks. For instance, the girls and women selected by the later convicted war criminal Dragoljub Kunarac or by his men, were systematically taken to the soldiers’ base, a house located in Osmana Đikić street no 16. There, the women and girls (some as young as 14) were repeatedly raped. Serb soldiers regularly took Muslim girls from various detention centres and kept them as sex slaves.[50]Was it right for the Christians above to Kill and rape the Muslims? Do they love bloodshed?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 14 2009,07:20) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,08:28) Quote You really do misunderstand I was raised a Christian and Christ was crucified according to the scriptures but it was revealed in the Quran that it was believed that he was crucified but in fact God spared him from the cross this is wonderful news but you prefer him being killed but you were not there and God knows best what occured. You are stating that the quran is truth, while "christian" scriptures are false. Actually by denying the death of Jesus, you deny the resurrection, and without that we are still lost in our sins, unable to pay except with our death and then without hope of our own resurrection. It is the resurrection that makes the "christian" scriptures stand apart and is our "proof" that we are not just following another "way to god" but are following THE WAY to God. If only part of the scriptures can be trusted then none of the scripture can be trusted.
My opinion – Wm
You think Jesus takes away the sins of the world because of death but the fact is it is because of his life.
John said:The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:28-30
What happened to the lambs,Quote
Does he really do this by dying?
6 " 'If he offers an animal from the flock as a fellowship offering to the LORD, he is to offer a male or female without defect. 7 If he offers a lamb, he is to present it before the LORD. 8 He is to lay his hand on the head of his offering and slaughter it in front of the Tent of Meeting. Then Aaron's sons shall sprinkle its blood against the altar on all sides.Looks like it
Quote
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Acts 26:19-21Now here is a very big question one that has never been asked on this forum:
Matthew 21:31-33 (King James Version)
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Why is Jesus saying that those who believed in John could enter the Kingdom of God?
What was it they "believed in john" about… perhaps it was "behold the lamb of God", they understood the purpose of a lamb.Quote
Why is Jesus saying the baptism of repentence had saving power?True belief is always accompanied with repentance
Quote Mark 1:3-5 (King James Version)
3The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
Why does Jesus say not that he came to die but:
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33Is there even a scripture that says Jesus came to die?
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
Quote Why does Jesus say:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46-48Notice what he is telling them to preach, did Jesus say go and preach that I died for world and was resurrected?
Matthew 4:(King James Version)
17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Why wasn't Jesus preaching "I die for the sins of man"?
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14Have you really learned what that means "I will have Mercy and not Sacrifice"
Yet you believe that God that God had Sacrifice and not Mercy on His own anointed.
Doesn't God hate the shedding of innocent blood?
Psalm 106:37-39 (King James Version)
37Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Now many keep saying that Jesus paid the price or bought us but from who? Was he sacrificed to satisfy the devil?
Proverbs 6:16-18 (King James Version)
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
So many here believe that God did something He Himself said he hates?
bodhitharta,
I got to go, but will respond to the rest laterWm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,14:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 14 2009,07:20) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,08:28) Quote You really do misunderstand I was raised a Christian and Christ was crucified according to the scriptures but it was revealed in the Quran that it was believed that he was crucified but in fact God spared him from the cross this is wonderful news but you prefer him being killed but you were not there and God knows best what occured. You are stating that the quran is truth, while "christian" scriptures are false. Actually by denying the death of Jesus, you deny the resurrection, and without that we are still lost in our sins, unable to pay except with our death and then without hope of our own resurrection. It is the resurrection that makes the "christian" scriptures stand apart and is our "proof" that we are not just following another "way to god" but are following THE WAY to God. If only part of the scriptures can be trusted then none of the scripture can be trusted.
My opinion – Wm
You think Jesus takes away the sins of the world because of death but the fact is it is because of his life.
John said:The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:28-30
What happened to the lambs,Quote
Does he really do this by dying?
6 " 'If he offers an animal from the flock as a fellowship offering to the LORD, he is to offer a male or female without defect. 7 If he offers a lamb, he is to present it before the LORD. 8 He is to lay his hand on the head of his offering and slaughter it in front of the Tent of Meeting. Then Aaron's sons shall sprinkle its blood against the altar on all sides.Looks like it
Quote
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Acts 26:19-21Now here is a very big question one that has never been asked on this forum:
Matthew 21:31-33 (King James Version)
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Why is Jesus saying that those who believed in John could enter the Kingdom of God?
What was it they "believed in john" about… perhaps it was "behold the lamb of God", they understood the purpose of a lamb.Quote
Why is Jesus saying the baptism of repentence had saving power?True belief is always accompanied with repentance
Quote Mark 1:3-5 (King James Version)
3The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
Why does Jesus say not that he came to die but:
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33Is there even a scripture that says Jesus came to die?
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
Quote Why does Jesus say:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46-48Notice what he is telling them to preach, did Jesus say go and preach that I died for world and was resurrected?
Matthew 4:(King James Version)
17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Why wasn't Jesus preaching "I die for the sins of man"?
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14Have you really learned what that means "I will have Mercy and not Sacrifice"
Yet you believe that God that God had Sacrifice and not Mercy on His own anointed.
Doesn't God hate the shedding of innocent blood?
Psalm 106:37-39 (King James Version)
37Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Now many keep saying that Jesus paid the price or bought us but from who? Was he sacrificed to satisfy the devil?
Proverbs 6:16-18 (King James Version)
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
So many here believe that God did something He Himself said he hates?
bodhitharta,
I got to go, but will respond to the rest laterWm
The "scapegoat" was always freed and carried the sins of the people on its head.But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:9-11God Bless!!!!
Hi BD,
The false church as you say is like Islam in it's love for politics, blood shed and human control.
Join the body of Christ as he is the prince of life and the prince of peace.
There is salvation in no other name under heaven.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2009,15:05) Hi BD,
The false church as you say is like Islam in it's love for politics, blood shed and human control.
Join the body of Christ as he is the prince of life and the prince of peace.
There is salvation in no other name under heaven.
There is no salvation in the name of God Almighty i.e. The Most High?1 Kings 18:24 (Young's Literal Translation)
24and ye have called in the name of your god, and I — I call in the name of Jehovah, and it hath been, the god who answereth by fire — He [is] the God.' And all the people answer and say, `Good [is] the word.'
Joel 2:32 (Young's Literal Translation)
32And it hath come to pass, Every one who calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered, For in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there is an escape, As Jehovah hath said, And among the remnants whom Jehovah is calling!
Nick,
Jesus said no matter how much you call on his name it won't matter if you do not do the will of the Father.
You worship Jesus and I really hope he saves you and not reject you for not worshiping and depending on who he Worships exclusively
Hi BD,
There is salvation in no other name UNDER HEAVEN.
You can try on your own but scripture says all have sinned and so we have a mediator.
Reconciliation has been offered to you with our God of love but you probably prefer your own harsh religious systemQuote The "scapegoat" was always freed and carried the sins of the people on its head. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:9-11There were two goats, one was sacrificed as a sin offering, and the other was presented alive to the Father to make atonement. Jesus fulfilled both, first dying on the cross, then He went to the Father to make atonement.
6 "Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. [a] 9 Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the LORD and sacrifice it for a sin offering. 10 But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the desert as a scapegoat.
For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
My opinion – Wm
Quote Why does Jesus say:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46-48Notice what he is telling them to preach, did Jesus say go and preach that I died for world and was resurrected?
I agree that repentance is quite often left out of the message but the remission of sins is made possible through the death, and the resurrection is our proof that the Father accepted His sacrifice.Quote
Matthew 4:(King James Version)17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Why wasn't Jesus preaching "I die for the sins of man"?
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14Have you really learned what that means "I will have Mercy and not Sacrifice"
Yet you believe that God that God had Sacrifice and not Mercy on His own anointed.
Look at the context, Jesus was responding to critics on His association with sinners and He pointed out that the Father by compassion hopes to draw them to a true repentance while the sacrifices of the self-righteous has little or no value.Quote Doesn't God hate the shedding of innocent blood?
He laid down His lifeQuote Psalm 106:37-39 (King James Version)
37Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Now many keep saying that Jesus paid the price or bought us but from who? Was he sacrificed to satisfy the devil?
No He was sacrificed to satisfy God's penalty for sinQuote Proverbs 6:16-18 (King James Version)
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
So many here believe that God did something He Himself said he hates?
bodhitharta,
Sorry about cutting off my response earlier but now it's done.Wm
Matthew 13:33 Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened." Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
The woman in the Parable of the Leaven is interesting because in all the other parables a man is the main character.
What is "a woman" in Scripture?
In Revelation 12, a woman is symbolic of the nation of Israel, and in Revelation 17 and 18 she represents the false system of Babylon.
In Isaiah 47, a woman is again symbolic of Babylon (whether the nation or the system of Babylon).
In Galations 4:21-31, Paul uses "women" to symbolize the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
In Ezekiel 16, God uses a woman to symbolize Israel: "Aholah" is the kingdom of Israel and "Aholibah" is the kingdom of Judah.
What can we understand from this?
Every time a woman is used as a symbol, the common denominator is the idea of a system of beliefs and practices that influence other people.
A church or religion is a system of beliefs and practices.
A nation has a character and way of doing things.
This world as a whole has a system of beliefs and practices that go contrary to 'Elohim.
To find out what kind of system is being referred to, we must look at the context to see how the system works, how it reacts, and what it does.
What are the characteristics of this woman in the parable?
First, she took leaven.
This is the common word used to mean "to come into possession of."
It is a common Greek word, but it can also have the connotation of "to seize," "to take by force."
The text does not say which connotation is correct here.
The next verb is "hid" (Greek, enkrupto), an interesting word.
It means "to hide in" or "to mix."
Enkrupto is used only this way here.
Enkrupto is the same word from which we get our word "encrypt."
A general tells his lieutenant, "Encrypt this message and take it to the colonel at the front line."
What does the lieutenant do when he encrypts it?
He mixes up the letters according to a code, and only a person with the key to the encryption knows what the message is saying.
The root word for enkrupto is krupto, which means "to cover, to conceal, to keep secret."
Its major connotation is "to be sneaky" or "to be secret, covert, or surreptitious."
It seems from the usage of these words that this woman is up to no good whatsoever.
First, she takes something, then she hides it.
She is a bad lady, a bad system.
She hides the leaven "in three measures of meal."
That Yeshua uses the very phrase "three measures of meal" is quite interesting, and it is a key, because this told His Jewish audience something that He did not have to explain, as they were familiar with it.
It was a normal practice and meant something to them.
It has been suggested that He used this amount because it is the average quantity of meal a housewife would employ in her daily baking.
This suggestion is pretty ridiculous when we consider that three measures of meal equal about two gallons of meal (7.3 liters)!
That seems like a lot of bread each day.
An average loaf of bread contains about three cups of flour.
Two gallons of meal, which is the equivalent of about eight quarts or thirty two cups, would make nearly eleven loaves!
Even the most bread gorging family on this earth would not eat eleven loaves each day.
Normally, one loaf would suffice for one person for a day, if he ate nothing else.
Yeshua, then, is probably speaking of a special occasion.
Genesis 18 contains the first biblical usage of "three measures of meal."
This is the occasion when two angels came to Abraham, and he made them a meal.
Verse 5, "Go ahead and make a meal." "So Abraham hastened into the tent to Sarah and said, 'Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal'" (Genesis 18:6).
What was "three measures of meal"?
There is a principle of Bible study (the law of first mention) that says, "The first time a thing a word, a phrase is mentioned in the Bible influences how it should be interpreted throughout."
Here, "three measures of meal" is used in the context of a fellowship meal giving hospitality, in this case, to 'Elohim so it has a spiritual connotation.
The law of grain offerings in Numbers 15:8-9 provides some instruction.
We need to learn a little bit about Israelite measures.
The smallest unit of measure is an omer.
Three omers equal one seah.
This seah is what is translated "measure" in Matthew 13:33, except it is in Greek saton.
There is also the ephah, which is ten omers.
Three omers equal one seah.
Three seahs made up of three omers equal one ephah.
These verses show that the smallest meal offering that could be given was one seah three tenths of an ephah.
It had to be of fine flour.
Abraham gave three seahs three measures.
He went above and beyond what was required for the meal offering.
Judges 6:18-19 shows Gideon's offering to the Lord.
How much did he give?
Gideon gave an ephah three measures of meal.
I Samuel 1:24 tells of Hannah's thank offering.
How much?
Hannah's offering was one ephah three measures of meal.
In Ezekiel 45:24 and 46:5, 7, 11 are the offerings given at the Feast during the Millennium.
How much is given?
An ephah three measures of meal is given.
With these examples in mind, we can understand that the Messiah's use of this phrase would have made His Jewish audience think immediately of the meal offering in Leviticus 2 and they would have been absolutely shocked out of their shoes to find that someone had the audacity, the blasphemy, to put leaven in a meal offering!
That was not kosher!
It simply was not done!
A person who did so could expect to be zapped by the next lightning bolt out of heaven.
It was sin.
What, then, would the normal Jew have thought?
He would have understood immediately that the Kingdom of Heaven would be subverted.
Something good had been corrupted.
"Three measures of meal," the meal offering, represents the offerer's service and devotion to fellowman, and it is typified by what the Messiah did throughout His whole life by offering Himself in service to fellowman.
Symbolically, it represents the second great commandment, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
It is devoted service toward all others. Inside and outside your gates.
If "three measures of meal" represents our love, service, and devotion to fellowman, this parable warns us that the false system will make a concerted and covert effort to corrupt the true church through false doctrine aimed at how we treat each other.
It will lunge directly at the church's jugular how we treat one another.
The "three measures of meal" represents the church's teachings.
This squares with our understanding of what the Messiah is.
He is the Word, and one of His titles is "the Bread of life."
The church's teachings come from the Word of 'Elohim, which is our daily bread.
Fine meal is the major component of bread.
Satan would try to corrupt the word, the teaching, so that church members would not treat other's well, offend one another, and maybe some would lose their salvation, or would not fi
nd salvation. For outcasting others.And the woman succeeds!
Yeshua says, ". . . till it was all leavened!"
Sobering, is it not?
The church has been fairly successful in guarding the major doctrines that have to do with its identity: the Sabbath, the nature of 'Elohim, the identity of Israel, the holy days, 'Elohim's plan.
Where has the church shown its greatest weakness?
In the area of personal relationships with all others.
What do we hear about among and within the congregations about others?
Distrust, offense, marriage problems, disunity, selfishness, gossip, rumor, tale-bearing, judging and condemning, comparing ourselves among ourselves, giving place to wrath, etc.
These are the works of the flesh they reflect how we treat others.
All of these are part of the meal offering our service and devotion to each other.
In these areas we need to focus our greatest attention, overcoming how we treat each other, growing in our devotion and service.
We must get along with one another as 'Elohim intends, or we might not be around to enter His Kingdom.
Meditaite on this.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,17:50) Quote The "scapegoat" was always freed and carried the sins of the people on its head. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:9-11There were two goats, one was sacrificed as a sin offering, and the other was presented alive to the Father to make atonement. Jesus fulfilled both, first dying on the cross, then He went to the Father to make atonement.
6 "Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. [a] 9 Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the LORD and sacrifice it for a sin offering. 10 But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the desert as a scapegoat.
For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
My opinion – Wm
So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood?And just so you understand this is why Jesus was baptized.
People like to say Jesus got baptized to just set an example but that doesn't make any sense as he could have simply said that we should be baptized but the fact is Jesus who did no sin was BAPTIZED for the remission of sins because that is the purpose of Baptism.
Jesus was not baptized for any sins he commited he was baptized for the sins of the people and then he went out to the desert to be tempted of Satan because had Satan caused him to sin he would not have been suitable anymore to carry the sins as the scapegoat it was after this time that Jesus said he finished the work he was sent to do.
Baptism is for the remission of sins and there is no blood in the act so how do you deny this?
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 15 2009,00:57) Matthew 13:33 Another parable He spoke to them: "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened." Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. The woman in the Parable of the Leaven is interesting because in all the other parables a man is the main character.
What is "a woman" in Scripture?
In Revelation 12, a woman is symbolic of the nation of Israel, and in Revelation 17 and 18 she represents the false system of Babylon.
In Isaiah 47, a woman is again symbolic of Babylon (whether the nation or the system of Babylon).
In Galations 4:21-31, Paul uses "women" to symbolize the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
In Ezekiel 16, God uses a woman to symbolize Israel: "Aholah" is the kingdom of Israel and "Aholibah" is the kingdom of Judah.
What can we understand from this?
Every time a woman is used as a symbol, the common denominator is the idea of a system of beliefs and practices that influence other people.
A church or religion is a system of beliefs and practices.
A nation has a character and way of doing things.
This world as a whole has a system of beliefs and practices that go contrary to 'Elohim.
To find out what kind of system is being referred to, we must look at the context to see how the system works, how it reacts, and what it does.
What are the characteristics of this woman in the parable?
First, she took leaven.
This is the common word used to mean "to come into possession of."
It is a common Greek word, but it can also have the connotation of "to seize," "to take by force."
The text does not say which connotation is correct here.
The next verb is "hid" (Greek, enkrupto), an interesting word.
It means "to hide in" or "to mix."
Enkrupto is used only this way here.
Enkrupto is the same word from which we get our word "encrypt."
A general tells his lieutenant, "Encrypt this message and take it to the colonel at the front line."
What does the lieutenant do when he encrypts it?
He mixes up the letters according to a code, and only a person with the key to the encryption knows what the message is saying.
The root word for enkrupto is krupto, which means "to cover, to conceal, to keep secret."
Its major connotation is "to be sneaky" or "to be secret, covert, or surreptitious."
It seems from the usage of these words that this woman is up to no good whatsoever.
First, she takes something, then she hides it.
She is a bad lady, a bad system.
She hides the leaven "in three measures of meal."
That Yeshua uses the very phrase "three measures of meal" is quite interesting, and it is a key, because this told His Jewish audience something that He did not have to explain, as they were familiar with it.
It was a normal practice and meant something to them.
It has been suggested that He used this amount because it is the average quantity of meal a housewife would employ in her daily baking.
This suggestion is pretty ridiculous when we consider that three measures of meal equal about two gallons of meal (7.3 liters)!
That seems like a lot of bread each day.
An average loaf of bread contains about three cups of flour.
Two gallons of meal, which is the equivalent of about eight quarts or thirty two cups, would make nearly eleven loaves!
Even the most bread gorging family on this earth would not eat eleven loaves each day.
Normally, one loaf would suffice for one person for a day, if he ate nothing else.
Yeshua, then, is probably speaking of a special occasion.
Genesis 18 contains the first biblical usage of "three measures of meal."
This is the occasion when two angels came to Abraham, and he made them a meal.
Verse 5, "Go ahead and make a meal." "So Abraham hastened into the tent to Sarah and said, 'Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal'" (Genesis 18:6).
What was "three measures of meal"?
There is a principle of Bible study (the law of first mention) that says, "The first time a thing a word, a phrase is mentioned in the Bible influences how it should be interpreted throughout."
Here, "three measures of meal" is used in the context of a fellowship meal giving hospitality, in this case, to 'Elohim so it has a spiritual connotation.
The law of grain offerings in Numbers 15:8-9 provides some instruction.
We need to learn a little bit about Israelite measures.
The smallest unit of measure is an omer.
Three omers equal one seah.
This seah is what is translated "measure" in Matthew 13:33, except it is in Greek saton.
There is also the ephah, which is ten omers.
Three omers equal one seah.
Three seahs made up of three omers equal one ephah.
These verses show that the smallest meal offering that could be given was one seah three tenths of an ephah.
It had to be of fine flour.
Abraham gave three seahs three measures.
He went above and beyond what was required for the meal offering.
Judges 6:18-19 shows Gideon's offering to the Lord.
How much did he give?
Gideon gave an ephah three measures of meal.
I Samuel 1:24 tells of Hannah's thank offering.
How much?
Hannah's offering was one ephah three measures of meal.
In Ezekiel 45:24 and 46:5, 7, 11 are the offerings given at the Feast during the Millennium.
How much is given?
An ephah three measures of meal is given.
With these examples in mind, we can understand that the Messiah's use of this phrase would have made His Jewish audience think immediately of the meal offering in Leviticus 2 and they would have been absolutely shocked out of their shoes to find that someone had the audacity, the blasphemy, to put leaven in a meal offering!
That was not kosher!
It simply was not done!
A person who did so could expect to be zapped by the next lightning bolt out of heaven.
It was sin.
What, then, would the normal Jew have thought?
He would have understood immediately that the Kingdom of Heaven would be subverted.
Something good had been corrupted.
"Three measures of meal," the meal offering, represents the offerer's service and devotion to fellowman, and it is typified by what the Messiah did throughout His whole life by offering Himself in service to fellowman.
Symbolically, it represents the second great commandment, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
It is devoted service toward all others. Inside and outside your gates.
If "three measures of meal" represents our love, service, and devotion to fellowman, this parable warns us that the false system will make a concerted and covert effort to corrupt the true church through false doctrine aimed at how we treat each other.
It will lunge directly at the church's jugular how we treat one another.
The "three measures of meal" represents the church's teachings.
This squares with our understanding of what the Messiah is.
He is the Word, and one of His titles is "the Bread of life."
The church's teachings come from the Word of 'Elohim, which is our daily bread.
Fine meal is the major component of bread.
Satan would try to corrupt the word, the teaching, so that church members would not treat other's well, offend one another, and maybe some would lose their salvation, or would not find salvation. For outcasting others.
And the woman succeeds!
Yeshua says, ". . . till it was all leavened!"
Sobering, is it not?
The church has been fairly successful in guarding the major doctrines that have to do with its identity: the Sabbath, the nature of 'Elohim, the identity of Israel, the holy days, 'Elohim's plan.
Where has the church shown its greatest weakness?
In the area of personal relationships with all others.
What do we hear about among and within the congregations about others?
Distrust, offense, marriage problems, disunity, selfishness, gossip, rumor, tale-bearing, judging and condemning, comparing ourselves among ourselves, giving place to wrath, etc.
These are the works of the flesh they reflect how we treat others.
All of these are part of the meal offering our service and devotion to each other.
In these areas we need to focus our greatest attention, overcoming how we treat each other, growing in our devotion and service.
We must get along with one another as 'Elohim intends, or we might not be around to enter His Kingdom.
Meditaite on this.
That was absolutely brilliant! *****Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 14 2009,06:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2009,05:30) HI,
BD attempts to present himself as a believer and says the right things when required but his aim is to sow evil seed, faith in another god and other teachings and to sow doubts among believers.His contributions are helpful but if others who do not accept our God speak in the non believers section then I think that is his place too.
What evil have I said?
I'm slightly surprised to be reading a topic like this, not least because I would say BD is in many respects more closely aligned with your beliefs (the core members of the site) than, say, me.I see a choice before you, the risk of saying he is a "non believer" is another step to a policy of ensuring that the only debate amongst "believers" is a debate where everyone agrees with each other on many things – not really a debate at all (more of an enforced uniformity and limited discussion about small details).
On the other hand if you feel that he poses a risk to your beliefs or discussions about those beliefs, sufficient to exclude him from those discussions – then I feel you must exclude me also (I'm not aware that he's done anything more objectionable than I have?).
I've always appreciated being able to post in the believers section even if many of the discussions I have no opinion on, but I don't see the logistics of fragmenting the site into pockets of differing beliefs, given many of us here seem to disagree on many things.
I'm certainly not a muslim, but I think I'd like to stand with him on this.
I look forward to judgement.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,06:02) So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood? Baptism is for the remission of sins and there is no blood in the act so how do you deny this?
Hi BD,“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD (“Yah”): though your sins be as scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)
This verse can only be accomplished through (your understanding) of the “Gospel”=74 of “Jesus”=74.It is you that doesn’t understand the reason that Jesus was “Baptized”; it symbolizes the “Gospel!
The Gospel is: The “Death” “Burial” and “Resurrection” of Jesus; Resurrected by “God The Father” (Gal.1:1)That is why people get “Baptized” as well; it is a public recognition of Jesus dying for our sins!
Heb.9:22: …“without shedding of blood is no remission (of sins).”You cannot make “The Bible” agree with ‘the Quran’!
It’s like trying to fit a “square peg” (The Bible) into a ‘round hole’ (the Quran)!
“The Bible” and ‘the Quran’ don’t agree with each other one is true and the other is false!It’s your choice which to believe?
You can’t make “The Bible” agree with ‘the Quran’!God bless
Ed JQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,01:02) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,17:50) Quote The "scapegoat" was always freed and carried the sins of the people on its head. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:9-11There were two goats, one was sacrificed as a sin offering, and the other was presented alive to the Father to make atonement. Jesus fulfilled both, first dying on the cross, then He went to the Father to make atonement.
6 "Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. [a] 9 Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the LORD and sacrifice it for a sin offering. 10 But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the desert as a scapegoat.
For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
My opinion – Wm
So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood?And just so you understand this is why Jesus was baptized.
People like to say Jesus got baptized to just set an example but that doesn't make any sense as he could have simply said that we should be baptized but the fact is Jesus who did no sin was BAPTIZED for the remission of sins because that is the purpose of Baptism.
Jesus was not baptized for any sins he commited he was baptized for the sins of the people and then he went out to the desert to be tempted of Satan because had Satan caused him to sin he would not have been suitable anymore to carry the sins as the scapegoat it was after this time that Jesus said he finished the work he was sent to do.
Baptism is for the remission of sins and there is no blood in the act so how do you deny this?
This seems to be the newest method to use in an arguement, make false claims like "So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood?" when the other party made no such statement.If you read the scripture I posted you'll note there were two goats and the first one did shed it's blood so how you can make a claim of no bloodshed is beyond me.
It is obvious that one of us does not understand baptizm.
Wm
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 15 2009,09:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,06:02) So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood? Baptism is for the remission of sins and there is no blood in the act so how do you deny this?
Hi BD,“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD (“Yah”): though your sins be as scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)
This verse can only be accomplished through (your understanding) of the “Gospel”=74 of “Jesus”=74.It is you that doesn’t understand the reason that Jesus was “Baptized”; it symbolizes the “Gospel!
The Gospel is: The “Death” “Burial” and “Resurrection” of Jesus; Resurrected by “God The Father” (Gal.1:1)That is why people get “Baptized” as well; it is a public recognition of Jesus dying for our sins!
Heb.9:22: …“without shedding of blood is no remission (of sins).”You cannot make “The Bible” agree with ‘the Quran’!
It’s like trying to fit a “square peg” (The Bible) into a ‘round hole’ (the Quran)!
“The Bible” and ‘the Quran’ don’t agree with each other one is true and the other is false!It’s your choice which to believe?
You can’t make “The Bible” agree with ‘the Quran’!God bless
Ed J
You mean Yah=34 Allah=34 One=34?So you mean that people were being baptized before Jesus to symbolize the death of Jesus?
Why was it said to get baptized for the remission of the sins of the person? Did John say get baptized for the recognition of Jesus dying for our sins?
You make things up ED like not adding up your whole name which I imagine would be edward=55 which Ironically is Red War=55 warred=55 meaning 2.to be in a state of hostility or contention; contend; strive
Hebrews 9:22 (Young's Literal Translation)
22and with blood almost all things are purified according to the law, and apart from blood-shedding forgiveness doth not come
Why does it say "almost all things"
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Genesis 9:3-5Luke 1:76-77 (King James Version)
76And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Here is an example of remission or forgiveness without blood:
Leviticus 5
11But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.12Then shall he bring it to the priest, and the priest shall take his handful of it, even a memorial thereof, and burn it on the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: it is a sin offering.
13And the priest shall make an atonement for him as touching his sin that he hath sinned in one of these, and it shall be forgiven him: and the remnant shall be the priest's, as a meat offering.
Psalm 86:4-6 (King James Version)
4Rejoice the soul of thy servant: for unto thee, O Lord, do I lift up my soul.
5For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
Where is the blood?
Psalm 103 (King James Version)
7He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.8The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
13Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
14For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
15As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
Where is the blood?
It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
Jeremiah 36:2-4Where is the blood?
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Matthew 6:11-13Where is the blood?
You have never read the Quran nor do you understand it, in-fact you have never read the Bible completely, have you? "Witness"
(2) And remember We took your covenant (to this effect): Shed no blood amongst you, nor turn out your own people from your homes: and this ye solemnly ratified, and to this ye can bear witness.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #84Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 15 2009,10:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,01:02) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2009,17:50) Quote The "scapegoat" was always freed and carried the sins of the people on its head. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:9-11There were two goats, one was sacrificed as a sin offering, and the other was presented alive to the Father to make atonement. Jesus fulfilled both, first dying on the cross, then He went to the Father to make atonement.
6 "Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. [a] 9 Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the LORD and sacrifice it for a sin offering. 10 But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the desert as a scapegoat.
For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement,[a] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
My opinion – Wm
So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood?And just so you understand this is why Jesus was baptized.
People like to say Jesus got baptized to just set an example but that doesn't make any sense as he could have simply said that we should be baptized but the fact is Jesus who did no sin was BAPTIZED for the remission of sins because that is the purpose of Baptism.
Jesus was not baptized for any sins he commited he was baptized for the sins of the people and then he went out to the desert to be tempted of Satan because had Satan caused him to sin he would not have been suitable anymore to carry the sins as the scapegoat it was after this time that Jesus said he finished the work he was sent to do.
Baptism is for the remission of sins and there is no blood in the act so how do you deny this?
This seems to be the newest method to use in an arguement, make false claims like "So you admit atonement was made without the shedding of Blood?" when the other party made no such statement.If you read the scripture I posted you'll note there were two goats and the first one did shed it's blood so how you can make a claim of no bloodshed is beyond me.
It is obvious that one of us does not understand baptizm.
Wm
The scapegoat was for atonement and it was not harmed at all.We were talking about atonement.
The scapegoat carried the sins of the people just as you say Christ does but in order to "carry" the sins the Scapegoat canoot be killed otherwise it cannot carry the sins because the LIFE is In THE BLOOD of the LIVING.
If Jesus Christ was Crucified and Killed there would be no remission of sins through his spilled blood in effect today as Paul rightfully said
Hebrews 10:17-19 (King James Version)
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
So if you have sinned at all since you have accepted Christ (when your sins were forgiven) You have no Sacrifice left and there is no further offering.
However, If Christ did not die he can be a scapegoat for all sin because he is presented alive before the Lord always.
The LIFE is in the Blood of THe LIVING.
If Jesus died and took away the sins he cannot die again for those sins. If Jesus did not die but was taken up to heaven alive still bearing the sins of all who believe it is only then do you have a living sacrifice.
Hi BD:
But he did die and was presented alive before God Almighty. And so, he fulfilled both the blood sacrifice and was the scapegoat. He is in heaven seated at the right hand of God and he is the head of the church.
I love you and want so much for you to see this so that you can be reconciled to God, but I do not know how I can get you to see this.
The scripture does not state, the life is in the blood. It states: "The life of the flesh is in the blood". The life of the soul is believing what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
You say that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, but you don't believe his words, which are not his words, but it is God speaking to you through him.
I am praying for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Nov. 15 2009,12:06) Hi BD: But he did die and was presented alive before God Almighty. And so, he fulfilled both the blood sacrifice and was the scapegoat. He is in heaven seated at the right hand of God and he is the head of the church.
I love you and want so much for you to see this so that you can be reconciled to God, but I do not know how I can get you to see this.
The scripture does not state, the life is in the blood. It states: "The life of the flesh is in the blood". The life of the soul is believing what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
You say that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, but you don't believe his words, which are not his words, but it is God speaking to you through him.
I am praying for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If Jesus already has died and cannot die again why is it he must wait to return until his enemies have been placed under his feet?He still had flowing BLOOD, He was hungry, he ate fish and honeycomb and said he was not a Ghost
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40Acts 1:9-11 (King James Version)
9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Now he had flesh and bones and was not a Spirit and the scripture says he will return "flesh and bones" just as he left.
He raised Lazarus from the dead and there were others who were raised from the dead long before that so if Jesus is the first to be RESURRECTED it must not mean the same thing as being Raised but still he was raised up to heaven Alive.
He told Mary he had not ascended yet so if there was a time he wasn't alive he certainly did not acknowledge it. He told Mary do not touch me for I have not yet ascended.
So if the flesh need the blood to have Life Jesus was full of blood because he said
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself"Not a new Jesus or a different Jesus, the same Jesus.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2009,12:43) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 15 2009,12:06) Hi BD: But he did die and was presented alive before God Almighty. And so, he fulfilled both the blood sacrifice and was the scapegoat. He is in heaven seated at the right hand of God and he is the head of the church.
I love you and want so much for you to see this so that you can be reconciled to God, but I do not know how I can get you to see this.
The scripture does not state, the life is in the blood. It states: "The life of the flesh is in the blood". The life of the soul is believing what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ, His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
You say that you believe that Jesus is the Christ, but you don't believe his words, which are not his words, but it is God speaking to you through him.
I am praying for you and your family.
Love in Christ,
Marty
If Jesus already has died and cannot die again why is it he must wait to return until his enemies have been placed under his feet?He still had flowing BLOOD, He was hungry, he ate fish and honeycomb and said he was not a Ghost
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40Acts 1:9-11 (King James Version)
9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Now he had flesh and bones and was not a Spirit and the scripture says he will return "flesh and bones" just as he left.
He raised Lazarus from the dead and there were others who were raised from the dead long before that so if Jesus is the first to be RESURRECTED it must not mean the same thing as being Raised but still he was raised up to heaven Alive.
He told Mary he had not ascended yet so if there was a time he wasn't alive he certainly did not acknowledge it. He told Mary do not touch me for I have not yet ascended.
So if the flesh need the blood to have Life Jesus was full of blood because he said
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself"Not a new Jesus or a different Jesus, the same Jesus.
Hi BD:He had flesh and bone but no blood. It is the Spirit of God that gave him life after his resurrection from the dead.
Quote Jhn 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Jhn 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace [be] unto you.
Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.All unbelievers are enemies of God because they are His adversaries practicing sin wilfully, but God is not willing that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance. However, there will come a day when the door of opportunity for anyone to be reconciled to God will be shut.
Those who are saved are under his feet because they are in His kingdom and no longer his enemies, but the unsaved will be under his feet also because God has appointed him to be the judge of the living(those who are saved) and the dead(those who have died in their sins).
Quote Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead. Love in Christ,
Marty
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