Should a muslim be able to post in believers area?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 05 2009,03:33)

God Bless My friends; This might be a good time and place to share some love. I try not to use names of those who have helped me to find certain truths probably all of you have somewhat. Yet I tend to pay attention to those that receive the most resistance and harsh critcism because my experience has been the closer one gets to the truth of God the more hate and anger arises from religious ones. Remember Jesus said if they hated me they will hate you. Religious people hate the truth. It uncovers their religion. Some on this site seem to hate (without cause) BD. I find his depth of scriptural understanding equal or higher than most on this site. Do I agree with everything, absolutely not. Do I find learning, yes. Can he learn from me, I hope so. Lets all lean toward understanding the scriptures more than memorizing the words. As we seek the truth, the word of God, Jesus, as he comes in us the light goes on if we have found understanding. This is the enlightenment we need so badly. Revelation knowledge not scriptural regurgitation. If we can't see that Jesus fulfilled and completed the work of God in the earth then we will keep looking for him to return and finish. It is finished as far as he is concerned. There is nothing left for Jesus to do of God's work that hasn't been completed. God's Spirit is everywhere, it doesn't come and go as in the physical sense. It is perceived through awareness which comes and goes based on perceptions and beliefs. Jesus is here now in the flesh(us) and doing as much as we will allow him to do through us. Some say Jesus will return for another work. He said it was finished. I say Jesus is at rest until his enemies are put under foot. We now have the task of putting the enemies of Christ under foot. The last enemy is death. If we look at death for a moment we might understand that from Adam until Jesus death reigned(in our minds). Jesus came to destroy death(those deceptive thoughts) and give us life. He did if we believe he did. If we believe now that sin and death have been destroyed then we will begin to walk in new life in Christ. Faith always comes first and the manifestation will follow. Adam believed in evil/death and then the manifestation began to work. We believe in life/good and the manifestation begins to work in our lives. The truth has come but we must do our work. We must work the works of God by believing the truth. The war against the truth is in the mind and the adversary is deception and lies. From the highest levels of religion will come powerful resistance to this truth and it will come immediately. The disciples ask what shall we do to work the works of God and Jesus said this is the work of God, THAT YOU BELIEVE! I'm out of time just thought I would cast some seed of what I believe. God Bless you all, TK

I stated something along the same lines, then got slammed for showing support bodhitharta. Atleast it is refreshing that more are coming around and showing support.

See Tim we can agree on some things

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 05 2009,14:31)

And what is the truth?

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy(YHVH) truth: thy word(The Bible) is truth.

John 17:1-3 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life
to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know
thee(HolySpirit) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

[banana]

funny, where did God send Jesus from? A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,03:19)

funny, where did God send Jesus from?  A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us.

Jesus is a spirit that proceeding from God he is an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary

This is the Quranic view

(1) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

Jesus will infact do what he described here:

Matthew 7:20-24 (King James Version)

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 05 2009,22:33)

God Bless My friends; This might be a good time and place to share some love. I try not to use names of those who have helped me to find certain truths probably all of you have somewhat. Yet I tend to pay attention to those that receive the most resistance and harsh critcism because my experience has been the closer one gets to the truth of God the more hate and anger arises from religious ones. Remember Jesus said if they hated me they will hate you. Religious people hate the truth. It uncovers their religion. Some on this site seem to hate (without cause) BD. I find his depth of scriptural understanding equal or higher than most on this site. Do I agree with everything, absolutely not. Do I find learning, yes. Can he learn from me, I hope so. Lets all lean toward understanding the scriptures more than memorizing the words. As we seek the truth, the word of God, Jesus, as he comes in us the light goes on if we have found understanding. This is the enlightenment we need so badly. Revelation knowledge not scriptural regurgitation. If we can't see that Jesus fulfilled and completed the work of God in the earth then we will keep looking for him to return and finish. It is finished as far as he is concerned. There is nothing left for Jesus to do of God's work that hasn't been completed. God's Spirit is everywhere, it doesn't come and go as in the physical sense. It is perceived through awareness which comes and goes based on perceptions and beliefs. Jesus is here now in the flesh(us) and doing as much as we will allow him to do through us. Some say Jesus will return for another work. He said it was finished. I say Jesus is at rest until his enemies are put under foot. We now have the task of putting the enemies of Christ under foot. The last enemy is death. If we look at death for a moment we might understand that from Adam until Jesus death reigned(in our minds). Jesus came to destroy death(those deceptive thoughts) and give us life. He did if we believe he did. If we believe now that sin and death have been destroyed then we will begin to walk in new life in Christ. Faith always comes first and the manifestation will follow. Adam believed in evil/death and then the manifestation began to work. We believe in life/good and the manifestation begins to work in our lives. The truth has come but we must do our work. We must work the works of God by believing the truth. The war against the truth is in the mind and the adversary is deception and lies. From the highest levels of religion will come powerful resistance to this truth and it will come immediately. The disciples ask what shall we do to work the works of God and Jesus said this is the work of God, THAT YOU BELIEVE! I'm out of time just thought I would cast some seed of what I believe. God Bless you all, TK

I appreciate your support and I enjoy your posts that develop out of your love of God it is refreshing when someone is allowing God to guide them instead of always just pasting a scripture sometimes without even studying it before its pasted.

The Work was finished even from before the foundation of the world. God looked on the sixth day and said it WAS VERY GOOD, God's will be done

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,05:48)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,03:19) funny, where did God send Jesus from?  A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us. Jesus is a spirit that proceeding from God he is an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary This is the Quranic view (1) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

The way that i see this is:

As the crowd was glad and boastful that it appeared Jesus was killed and dead, they knew not, because he was risen from the dead by God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,08:52)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,05:48) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,03:19) funny, where did God send Jesus from?  A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us. Jesus is a spirit that proceeding from God he is an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary This is the Quranic view (1) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- The way that i see this is: As the crowd was glad and boastful that it appeared Jesus was killed and dead, they knew not, because he was risen from the dead by God.

This is deep:

Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:59-61

[karmarie]

hmmm

[Constitutionalist]

Those who worship through the various religions should not be criticized, but encouraged. In all religions rests a grain of truth for the masses. It is a form which the masses can comprehend, no matter how erroneous it may be. As long as those individuals attempt to live their religion, instead of a life of hypocrisy, they are seekers and we cannot look down our noses at them.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,14:35)

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 06 2009,08:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,05:48) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,03:19) funny, where did God send Jesus from?  A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us. Jesus is a spirit that proceeding from God he is an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary This is the Quranic view (1) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- The way that i see this is: As the crowd was glad and boastful that it appeared Jesus was killed and dead, they knew not, because he was risen from the dead by God. This is deep: Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. Luke 9:59-61

1Timothy 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of 'elohim, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

[karmarie]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 05 2009,22:33)

God Bless My friends; This might be a good time and place to share some love. I try not to use names of those who have helped me to find certain truths probably all of you have somewhat. Yet I tend to pay attention to those that receive the most resistance and harsh critcism because my experience has been the closer one gets to the truth of God the more hate and anger arises from religious ones. Remember Jesus said if they hated me they will hate you. Religious people hate the truth. It uncovers their religion. Some on this site seem to hate (without cause) BD. I find his depth of scriptural understanding equal or higher than most on this site. Do I agree with everything, absolutely not. Do I find learning, yes. Can he learn from me, I hope so. Lets all lean toward understanding the scriptures more than memorizing the words. As we seek the truth, the word of God, Jesus, as he comes in us the light goes on if we have found understanding. This is the enlightenment we need so badly. Revelation knowledge not scriptural regurgitation. If we can't see that Jesus fulfilled and completed the work of God in the earth then we will keep looking for him to return and finish. It is finished as far as he is concerned. There is nothing left for Jesus to do of God's work that hasn't been completed. God's Spirit is everywhere, it doesn't come and go as in the physical sense. It is perceived through awareness which comes and goes based on perceptions and beliefs. Jesus is here now in the flesh(us) and doing as much as we will allow him to do through us. Some say Jesus will return for another work. He said it was finished. I say Jesus is at rest until his enemies are put under foot. We now have the task of putting the enemies of Christ under foot. The last enemy is death. If we look at death for a moment we might understand that from Adam until Jesus death reigned(in our minds). Jesus came to destroy death(those deceptive thoughts) and give us life. He did if we believe he did. If we believe now that sin and death have been destroyed then we will begin to walk in new life in Christ. Faith always comes first and the manifestation will follow. Adam believed in evil/death and then the manifestation began to work. We believe in life/good and the manifestation begins to work in our lives. The truth has come but we must do our work. We must work the works of God by believing the truth. The war against the truth is in the mind and the adversary is deception and lies. From the highest levels of religion will come powerful resistance to this truth and it will come immediately. The disciples ask what shall we do to work the works of God and Jesus said this is the work of God, THAT YOU BELIEVE! I'm out of time just thought I would cast some seed of what I believe. God Bless you all, TK

Well said TK, you have a kind spirit

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 06 2009,17:26)

Those who worship through the various religions should not be criticized, but encouraged. In all religions rests a grain of truth for the masses. It is a form which the masses can comprehend, no matter how erroneous it may be. As long as those individuals attempt to live their religion, instead of a life of hypocrisy, they are seekers and we cannot look down our noses at them.

Yes,

This is why faith is important because if a person lives righteously in good faith God will have mercy on them because as it is stated God has concluded them all in unbelief that he may have mercy upon them all.

For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
Psalm 86:4-6

Romans 11:31-33 (King James Version)

31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Deuteronomy 32:20-22

So God has accepted those who are foolish and yet have faith over those even who are wise but lack faith.

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
Your support for false religions and false gods is interesting.

[Tim Kraft]

Nick: Unless you have studied completely anothers religion you have no insight into its falsity or truth! You are quick to judge! Without ones willingness to expand into all areas of truth he derives a very narrow-minded understanding. Yours follows western/American religions to the max! TK

[karmarie]

Hi Nick,

False religion is everywhere

People are what matters,

and it is only love that will ultimately save us as a human race

[NickHassan]

Hi TK and KM,
Are you open to the idea that there are many ways to God and that Jesus lied?
God offers surrender conditions to men.
No negotiations.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,05:48)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,03:19) funny, where did God send Jesus from?  A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us. Jesus is a spirit that proceeding from God he is an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary This is the Quranic view (1) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;- Jesus will infact do what he described here: Matthew 7:20-24 (King James Version) 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hi BD,

You have declared over and over to everybody on this forum you (falsely) are "a Christian".
But your words now prove that you are NOT.

[Ed J]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,03:19)

funny, where did God send Jesus from? A Muslim does believe in Jesus, but does not believe that He was crucified and died for us.

A Christian is…

Romans 10:9-10 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shall believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
you shall be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This is why it is important to be a Christian…

Hebrews 9:22-26 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission(of sins).
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified
with these(God blood=74); but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true;
but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Nor yet that he(Jesus=74) should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place
every year with blood of others;For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world:
but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Jesus had his father’s(HolySpirit’s) God blood…

Science suggests that blood in the fetus comes from the father’s genetics.
That would mean “Jesus” had “GOD Blood” running through his veins.
To put this in scientific terms (according to facts written in the Bible),
that would mean Jesus at his birth was ½ HOLYSPIRIT(Jesus’ FATHER; Matt.1:18),
¼ from the tribe JUDAH (Mary’s Father’s tribe; Luke 3:23-33)
and ¼ from the tribe of LEVI (Mary’s Mother’s tribe; Luke 1:5).

It’s the shedding of Jesus’ God blood removes sin…

The shedding of his “God blood” is what removes sin (Heb.9:22).
“GOD The Father” raised Jesus back from the dead (resurrection); for our Justification(Rom.4:25).

Rejecting the “HolySpirit” from being your God…

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the HolySpirit(speaketh against the HolySpirit) shall not
be forgiven; neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matt.12:32

Rejecting the salvation the HolySpirit offers…

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed
unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness,
both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles,
and gifts of the HolySpirit, according to his own will?
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Matt.10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear Him(HolySpirit) which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The Church was purchased with God blood…

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock,
over the which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers,
to feed the church of God, which he(HolySpirit) hath purchased with his own (God)blood.
Nahum 1:9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? He(YHVH) will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
If you truly believe “Bible Truth”=117, God The Father=117 can be your God as well; because YHVHis GOD=117!
“The GOD”(YHVH=63) of “The Bible”=63 offers you a choice; the choice is yours to make.

[karmarie]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,04:04)

Hi TK and KM, Are you open to the idea that there are many ways to God and that Jesus lied? God offers surrender conditions to men. No negotiations.

Hi Nick

No,

but we dont put our light under a bush and keep what we know to ourself,

God rejoices over one that is found

God desires for not one to be lost so it is not our job to close the door.

[NickHassan]

Hi KM,
Indeed God expresses His mercy outside of the offered way of Christ.
But we are advised to seek the millenium day of Rest[Heb4]
Become sons and daughters of the first resurrection

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