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- December 4, 2009 at 1:42 am#161982karmarieParticipant
nick thats true
December 4, 2009 at 1:45 am#161983NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
So Islam is like any religion of the world trying to reach out to God.
God knows those who are His and he indwells them forever.
They do not need to go to Mecca or JerusalemDecember 4, 2009 at 1:53 am#161984karmarieParticipantThats true.
God knows who are his,
And i dont believe it has much to do with religeonDecember 4, 2009 at 1:59 am#161985NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
Quite so.
God is not involved in the 'religions' of the world.December 4, 2009 at 2:02 am#161986karmarieParticipantAmen. God can find us wherever we are! And God can lead and teach us without any intervention.
December 4, 2009 at 2:14 am#161990NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
So the religions of men are dependant on those suffering from insecurity and needing to be told what to do, and those who are overconfident and want to control others.A very successful relationship .. till death.
December 4, 2009 at 2:28 am#161992ProclaimerParticipantI can understand why Moslems think that scripture (in the bible) is corrupted.
If it were not corrupt then they would be found disagreeing with it.
John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.So if they disagree with the above statement, then they have no option but to believe that what is written above is wrong.
December 4, 2009 at 7:39 am#162028karmarieParticipantThey still dont worship the moon.
If it is true that Jesus is appearing to them through dreams and visions, revealing himself to be the son of God, then,
1- Jesus is with them, seeing thier devotion and is hearing thier prayers to his father and revealing himself to them.
2- We should be following Jesus.not closing the door.
December 4, 2009 at 7:45 am#162029NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
How much attention should we pay to private and new revelations?
As much as the catholics pay to Lourdes and Fatima?col 2.18
December 4, 2009 at 7:52 am#162032karmarieParticipantNo, you have to believe this! Its different than fatima.
If it was false, the thousands of dreams and visions, why? Muslims who didnt believe in Jesus (as the son of God), and had absolutly no outside contact to go by are seeing Jesus and they are believing the revelation given. And it is simple. Jesus reveals who he is, and that is all.
December 4, 2009 at 8:05 am#162034NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
The new revelation from who?The Spirit of God does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus.[Jn16]
They oppose his words and offer to correct them.December 4, 2009 at 8:29 am#162039karmarieParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,19:05) Hi KM,
The new revelation from who?The Spirit of God does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Jesus.[Jn16]
They oppose his words and offer to correct them.
Google it Nick,
dreams and visions of Jesus,December 4, 2009 at 8:32 am#162040NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
If you prefer personal dreams and visions to what is written then you are open to deception.December 4, 2009 at 8:49 am#162044karmarieParticipantNick,
Acts 2:17 "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Joel 2:28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.
December 4, 2009 at 8:57 am#162048NickHassanParticipantHi KM,
God given dreams and visions are wonderful but must be tested against what is writtenDecember 4, 2009 at 9:12 am#162052karmarieParticipantok, God bless you Nick, I have to go now
December 4, 2009 at 11:01 am#162060Tim KraftParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,03:54) Hi TK,
You misunderstand.
So don't teach others yet.
Nick: Could you please expound a bit on what I am misunderstanding.First off, I am not trying to teach anyone anything! I am sharing what I believe God has shown me by my self for these many years.
Jesus, the word of God, the spirit of God, came to show the truth of connecting with God.
The temple made with brick and mortar became the flesh and blood body of Christ. We are the temple made without hands.
Jesus, the word of God, is the spirit of God for he said "my words are spirit and life". Jesus is the master teacher of the Spirit of God.
Each person that accepts and believes what Jesus says is being filled with whole spirit of God.
There is no difference between Jesus's words or Gods spirit because Jesus speaks only what his Father say's.
So Jesus/God/Spirit says you are clean through the words spoken by Jesus.(John 15:2) If one believes, he is clean!
Jesus said he has ordained us in John 15:16–so we are ordained, if we believe what he said.
We are justified by faith/believing!Rom.5:1
This word of God taketh away the sin of the world.(John 1:29)
This word of God came to put away sin (Heb.9:26) If we believe.Believing the spirit of God (word of Jesus) is the re-creating the former old testament thinking into the New Spirit/Words/Truth of Jesus. The spirit has come to its temple.
This is being born-again. We are born physically into this physical world and create ourselves by believing what we see, hear and experience physically.
To find God we must then re-new our minds with the Spirit of God, the words of Jesus and see and hear with understanding of spiritual application to life. In the mind,dreams and visions of the pictures of truth painted in the heart of man by Jesus.
Filling ourselves up with spirit of God, truth, Jesus unto a full man that is one with all.
This good news (gospel) unites into one. It builds up instead of tearing down. It creates love and caring for one another instead of separation of doctrines and ideas.
I may misunderstand and I may be wrong but the truth that I feel God has shown me gives love and equality to all who will believe.
Sorry Nick that I misunderstand but when I am ready maybe I will be able to argue and snip at others and point the finger and tell them they are wrong or don't know. Bless you, TK
December 4, 2009 at 5:24 pm#162094NickHassanParticipantHi TK,
Scripture does not say intellectual acceptance about Jesus and his words causes us to be reborn from above.
You must repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus and you will receive the Spirit.
WE must become as living stones to be added to the temple.December 4, 2009 at 8:01 pm#162128bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,08:21) KM,
So they say.
Why does a MOON represent Islam?
Nick,Thank God Karmarie was here in my absence to speak truth and honesty(May God bless her forever)
(7) Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
( سورة الرعد , Ar-Rad, Chapter #13, Verse #2)You already knew that Allah was not some sort of "moon god" although He created the moon and everything else including you. You should not mock God Almighty, but in your ignorance you do just that.
December 4, 2009 at 8:04 pm#162130bodhithartaParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,19:57) Hi KM,
God given dreams and visions are wonderful but must be tested against what is written
Nick,You challenged KM and she taught you with the scriptures and then you ignored the scriptures she gave you, preferring your own version of truth
It's funny that when TK says anything remotely close to what you yourself say you accuse him of all sorts of things.
First take that plank out your own eye.
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