Seen as contradicting scriptures,

[Wakeup]

SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE
MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and **he shall reign for ever and ever**.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**.

Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren?

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**.

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**:

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.

Romans 1:18 For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.

Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the
**wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience:

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**:

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.

and what is your understanding of those scriptures you just quoted

is this your prefer scriptures

[Wakeup]

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w Quote SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. and what is your understanding of those scriptures you just quoted is this your prefer scriptures

T.

There are more,but that is enough for now.
Those are scriptures that could not be understood by many.
One needs to have deeper knowledge to fully understand.

It has nothing to do with my preference.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,01:29) w Quote SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. and what is your understanding of those scriptures you just quoted is this your prefer scriptures T. There are more,but that is enough for now. Those are scriptures that could not be understood by many. One needs to have deeper knowledge to fully understand. It has nothing to do with my preference. wakeup.

w

you do not show anything just quoting scriptures for what reasons

and who says that they are difficult to understand

you

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,01:51) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,01:29) w Quote SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. and what is your understanding of those scriptures you just quoted is this your prefer scriptures T. There are more,but that is enough for now. Those are scriptures that could not be understood by many. One needs to have deeper knowledge to fully understand. It has nothing to do with my preference. wakeup. w you do not show anything just quoting scriptures for what reasons and who says that they are difficult to understand you

No Offence Tera; of course YOU can understand.

Maybe you can give us some of your light.
So we can all improve.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

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SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.  John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**. John 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God. Revelation 20:6   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**. Revelation 11:15   And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and   **he shall reign for ever and ever**. 1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**. Matthew 12:48   But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren? John 20:17   Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**. Isaiah 9:6   For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace. Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**. Revelation 6:16   And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**: John 3:36   He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.  Romans 1:18   For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  Ephesians 5:6   Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.  Colossians 3:6   For which things' sake the **wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience: 1 John 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**. Colossians 1:16   For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**: Revelation 4:11   Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***. wakeup.

I am not seeing how anyone can see these passages as contradicting. Can you clarify your point.

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:30) SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.  John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**. John 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God. Revelation 20:6   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**. Revelation 11:15   And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and   **he shall reign for ever and ever**. 1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**. Matthew 12:48   But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren? John 20:17   Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**. Isaiah 9:6   For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace. Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**. Revelation 6:16   And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**: John 3:36   He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.  Romans 1:18   For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  Ephesians 5:6   Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.  Colossians 3:6   For which things' sake the **wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience: 1 John 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**. Colossians 1:16   For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**: Revelation 4:11   Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***. wakeup. I am not seeing how anyone can see these passages as contradicting.  Can you clarify your point.

It is all there for you to sort it out.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

WAKEUP

SO YOU DROP A MESSY BUNDLE AND WE HAVE TO SORT IT OUT

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,08:25) Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:30) SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.  John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**. John 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God. Revelation 20:6   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**. Revelation 11:15   And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and   **he shall reign for ever and ever**. 1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**. Matthew 12:48   But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren? John 20:17   Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**. Isaiah 9:6   For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace. Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**. Revelation 6:16   And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**: John 3:36   He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.  Romans 1:18   For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  Ephesians 5:6   Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.  Colossians 3:6   For which things' sake the **wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience: 1 John 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**. Colossians 1:16   For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**: Revelation 4:11   Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***. wakeup. I am not seeing how anyone can see these passages as contradicting.  Can you clarify your point. It is all there for you to sort it out. wakeup.

Wakeup,

I see no contradiction nor have I heard of those who do. I am assuming you are not making a straw-man argument. I was hoping you would enlighten me about where you are coming from. If you are not going to then why bring it up?

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,05:22) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,08:25) Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,11:30) SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.  John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**. John 1:2   The same was in the beginning with God. Revelation 20:6   Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**. Revelation 11:15   And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and   **he shall reign for ever and ever**. 1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**. Matthew 12:48   But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren? John 20:17   Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**. Isaiah 9:6   For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace. Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**. Revelation 6:16   And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**: John 3:36   He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.  Romans 1:18   For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  Ephesians 5:6   Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.  Colossians 3:6   For which things' sake the **wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience: 1 John 5:11   And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**. Colossians 1:16   For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**: Revelation 4:11   Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***. wakeup. I am not seeing how anyone can see these passages as contradicting.  Can you clarify your point. It is all there for you to sort it out. wakeup. Wakeup, I see no contradiction nor have I heard of those who do.  I am assuming you are not making a straw-man argument.  I was hoping you would enlighten me about where you are coming from.  If you are not going to then why bring it up?

There must be one here at least that can see the contradictions.

1. I give you one.
The word was **with God** and the **word was God**.
(unless you can explain).

Some more:
2. Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.(GOD).
Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:

***for thou hast created all things***,
***and for thy pleasure they are and were created***.

Scriptures also said, that all things are created for Jesus.
Yet rev.4:11 says for Gods pleasure.

3. And the Lamb is worshipped equal to God.

4. Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says,
He will reign forever.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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4. Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever.

this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ;

this is what it says ;

Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT

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w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT

You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection?

Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup.

w

you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,???

where did Christ go after his resurrection

does he sits on a throne

does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of ,

understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around

and Christ is the glory of his father and God

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

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1. I give you one. The word was **with God** and the **word was God**.

It is easy to understand if you completely abandon trinitarian input as far as their beliefs that Jesus is God and the word is Jesus but you will have a hard time doing that as the AV of the KJV was translated by trinirians in the beginning.  

The word was with the God and the word was God…

The word was with Jehovah and the word had the qualities of God.  It does not specify the qualities.

Was is the 1st of 3rd singular of the word be and among the meanings of be is “used to describe the qualities of a person or thing”.  Other uses of be and so was is to identify a person or thing or to indicate the condition of a person or thing.  The only apparent contradiction of the three is if you insist it has to be identity.

Sources: was and be

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,21:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup. w you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,??? where did Christ go after his resurrection does he sits on a throne does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of , understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around and Christ is the glory of his father and God

T

For your info,he 144000 are still alive on earth today.
Untill the first trumpet will sound.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,02:54) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,21:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup. w you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,??? where did Christ go after his resurrection does he sits on a throne does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of , understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around and Christ is the glory of his father and God T For your info,he 144000 are still alive on earth today. Untill the first trumpet will sound. wakeup.

w

wrong they are not all alive most are dead ;Paul,Peter,James,Mathews,Luke, Thomas,Philip, to only mention a few ,

but their soul is in heaven very close to God ,

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Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,02:54) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,21:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup. w you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,??? where did Christ go after his resurrection does he sits on a throne does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of , understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around and Christ is the glory of his father and God T For your info,he 144000 are still alive on earth today. Untill the first trumpet will sound. wakeup. w wrong they are not all alive most are dead ;Paul,Peter,James,Mathews,Luke, Thomas,Philip, to only mention a few , but their soul is in heaven very close to God ,

The apostles are the elders in heaven.
the 144k are still on earth.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,05:15) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,02:54) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,21:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup. w you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,??? where did Christ go after his resurrection does he sits on a throne does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of , understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around and Christ is the glory of his father and God T For your info,he 144000 are still alive on earth today. Untill the first trumpet will sound. wakeup. w wrong they are not all alive most are dead ;Paul,Peter,James,Mathews,Luke, Thomas,Philip, to only mention a few , but their soul is in heaven very close to God , The apostles are the elders in heaven. the 144k are still on earth.  Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. wakeup.

w

elders???apostles

any scriptures

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Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,08:19)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2014,03:13) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,05:15) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,02:54) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,21:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup. w you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,??? where did Christ go after his resurrection does he sits on a throne does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of , understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around and Christ is the glory of his father and God T For your info,he 144000 are still alive on earth today. Untill the first trumpet will sound. wakeup. w wrong they are not all alive most are dead ;Paul,Peter,James,Mathews,Luke, Thomas,Philip, to only mention a few , but their soul is in heaven very close to God , The apostles are the elders in heaven. the 144k are still on earth.  Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. wakeup. w elders???apostles any scriptures

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,
***ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones***,
***judging the twelve tribes of Israel***.

This promise to the apostles has been fulfilled.
They are in heaven sitting in twelve thrones.
The other twelve is still a mystery.
Could be twelve prophets.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2014,05:06)

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,08:19) Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2014,03:13) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,05:15) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,02:54) Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2014,21:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,00:17) w Quote 4.  Jesus will reign for a thousand years; then it says, He will reign forever. this is false ;scriptures do not say that ;and so you cannot understand it correctly ; this is what it says ; Rev 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. pay attention to the first word “THEY” AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST ; THIS IMPLY THAT CHRIST IS ALREADY REIGNING ,AND “THEY ” JOIN HIM FOR A THOUSAND YEAR FROM THE TIME OF THEIR RESURRECTION ,;RIGHT You said Christ is already reigning before the saints resurrection? Reigning over whom? where? what kingdom? wakeup. w you ask me questions that are written in scriptures ,do you want me to spoon feed you ,??? where did Christ go after his resurrection does he sits on a throne does he need his brothers 144k to sit on his throne ???not that I know of , understand that the 144k are the glory of Christ not the other way around and Christ is the glory of his father and God T For your info,he 144000 are still alive on earth today. Untill the first trumpet will sound. wakeup. w wrong they are not all alive most are dead ;Paul,Peter,James,Mathews,Luke, Thomas,Philip, to only mention a few , but their soul is in heaven very close to God , The apostles are the elders in heaven. the 144k are still on earth.  Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. wakeup. w elders???apostles any scriptures Matthew 19:28   And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ***ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones***, ***judging the twelve tribes of Israel***. This promise to the apostles has been fulfilled. They are in heaven sitting in twelve thrones. The other twelve is still a mystery. Could be twelve prophets. wakeup.

w

what about those ones

Ac 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

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