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Secrets, secret oaths, and secret rituals
.by Mark on Sunday, October 30, 2011 at 8:34pm. I have been agonizing somewhat over a decision I made to leave an organization I belonged to for many years, and knew many members for most of my life. I ran across this the other day, and I am not agonizing much about it now. I agree with what this states:“The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society, and we as a people are inherantly and historicly opposed to secret societys, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago, that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertainant facts far outweigh the dangers which are cited to justify it”……..” No President should fear public scrutiny of his program, for from that scrutiny comes understanding. And from that understanding comes support or opposition, and both are necessary.”- John Kennedy
The last part is what I feel is the most important, that most should realize-
“An error does not become a mistake, until we refuse to correct it”- John Kennedy
You cannot exclude a group because of secrets, when you have a group that has secrets and oaths and rituals of thier own. I welcome any and all input.Respectfully, Mark
I wrote this in my facebook to be seen by all. I am getting tired of the separation I feel at church. They are saying Masonry is not compatable with Rcc, because of secrets. I am wanting to push this into debate. Get rid of your secrets or Accept the masons(NOT). Pray that I may make a positive differance in this church and they wake up one day. Also pray for the contradiction to the evil day this is today. I plan on handing out Bible tracts today and fasting and praying with Raziel. Hope all is well-Mark
That is a problem. A bigger problem is who you make your master. When Saul became king God told the jews they would be slaves to him because they chose a human king over the almighty as the king. Today some people make their fav politician their master and wonder why they are practically slaves to them and then think if they get someone better things will magically change. I was just chating with someone who liked Obama and mentioned that in a youtube video Obama says he has been to 57 states and has more to go to. The only thing he could say was bush sucked and left obama with too much stuff.It's one thing to like someone but at least admit he/she makes mistakes. The first commandment is love your God and people tend skip that and go to love your neighbor. When you kick God out of it what or who ever replaces it your false God and idol. Most if not all sin can be traced to that as a root. Just got to wait for Jesus this will get worse before it gets better.
Hi Mark,
Are you a Mason? From what I have heard, this is a very satanic organization when a member reaches higher levels. There is a former Mason that is now born again who warns of this group. He has a series of YouTube videos out on the dangers with them. I posted them on HN at one time. if I find it, I will put up the link. From what he says, the problem is much more serious than there being secrets.Be careful,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2011,06:36) Hi Mark,
Are you a Mason? From what I have heard, this is a very satanic organization when a member reaches higher levels. There is a former Mason that is now born again who warns of this group. He has a series of YouTube videos out on the dangers with them. I posted them on HN at one time. if I find it, I will put up the link. From what he says, the problem is much more serious than there being secrets.Be careful,
Kathi
Hey Kathi,No I am not. But I was a Knights of Columbus. Besides all the differances I have with my church, main one being the Title and infallability of the Pope, is you are ex-communitated out of the church for membership in masonry. And the main reason they give is masons have secrets. Alot of the reasoning or traditions they have I don't agree with, or participate in. I also know that there is no perfect church. But what I cannot reconcile is this hypocracy. The beginnings of the Masons were the “Knights Templars”, and supposedly came up through history. So the first name “Knights” , and the fact that they have oaths and secrets and rituals, and are named not for Jesus, but Columbus, a gold seeker and trafficer, like the Masons,astounds me. I am trying to get something started because writing to my Bishop and my whole Church has got me nowhere. They don't say a peep. Only funny looks. I want this on the table until someone explains this obvious hypocracy. The Knights have no dark rituals, and seemingly innocent lessons in thier four degrees, but I believe this practice is what Jesus referred to in Revalations the “Nicolatians” Peace Kathy-Mark
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2011,06:40) This is the link Mark,
I tried to click on this, but I got a you-tube list with Holloween and Alice Cooper. Scary none the less, but no Masonry.Mark,
Sorry about the link…I fixed it…go back to my post and it is correct now. I'm glad that you aren't part of the Masons. You might be interested in watching that video anyway and even the series of videos.God bless,
KathiHi Mark! Sorry that you are having such a hard time to decide to leave the Church which YOU know has so many things that are against Scriptures…. Just the fact that the Church puts Maria on the same level then God is an abomination to God… I know You see this!!!!! So why is it that YOU can't see the Scriptures that says” IF YOU LOVE MOTHER, BROTHER, FATHER, SISTER MORE THEN ME, YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF ME….” Please remember that no matter what all will be fulfilled…..and for that reason I again say this to you… May God guide you and bless you, I love you and care about you, Irene
Quote (Pastry @ Nov. 01 2011,14:03) Hi Mark! Sorry that you are having such a hard time to decide to leave the Church which YOU know has so many things that are against Scriptures…. Just the fact that the Church puts Maria on the same level then God is an abomination to God… I know You see this!!!!! So why is it that YOU can't see the Scriptures that says” IF YOU LOVE MOTHER, BROTHER, FATHER, SISTER MORE THEN ME, YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF ME….” Please remember that no matter what all will be fulfilled…..and for that reason I again say this to you… May God guide you and bless you, I love you and care about you, Irene
Hey Irene,I do not take offense. I know you advise me out of true concern for me. We all have our own paths God chooses for us, and apparently this is mine. I ask for and get guidance form God on a daily basis. My concious tells me he wants me to stay and fight and tell the truth. My spirit tells me that although they are mislead in thier own eliteism and hypocracy and arrogance, they are no differant than the rest of the world. The world has become Babylon. The world is full of Idols. Even Islam. Whem you honor a man more than God(Jesus) he is an Idol. They even state in the Koran that “Allah” has no sons. Sometimes God wants someone to tell a church what is wrong, so that they at least have been told. I feel that's me. If I am being wrong, God knows the intentions in my heart and how much I love him, he forgives me for being stupid, but I feel this is not the case this time, not with the many ways he manifest himself to me. As far as the Mary thing goes, it might show how crafty Satan is. How more subtle a way to misdirect devotion away from Christ than using his Mother? God understands though. I don't see anyone worshipping her like you say. The comments I make I hear responses like “We ask her to pray for us, , we don't pray to her”. I don't feel right about it, and only petition God. It's not a question of loyalty to family also. My entire Family knows my stance on all of this, and the wierd position I have been in in the church. They have told me that they support me in whatever I decide and end up attending. They know ALL of my positions on the RCC and understand where I am coming from and personally know how I have lived my life. I am not much understood at all at the church, and even by some peope I am seemingly shunned. Good. It shows I speak the truth. Although I am shunned sometimes, they cannot contradict me, and haven't. There are questions I ask that just plain can't be answered.
By the way, in my struggle I have made the rounds in the other churches. NO church is issue free. The misconception and competition and greed and six-figure incomes of some of these pastors blows my mind. I read a article last week that showed that out of all protestant churches, about 1% of all pew donations actually went to benevolence.(outside charity). Point being, I believe ALL churches miss the big picture Irene, and you can make a more effective point in a loving way inside than to stomp your feet and leave and complain from the outside. Also, no matter how flawed over time they have become, Paul write to not absent youself from assembling. He also set up a system of church leaders and qualifications. Thats my truth. I feel that is my mission. I live for Christ and follow his teaching and example, not the Catholic churches. Peace-Nice to hear from you-Mark
P.S. by the way, example of not contradicting me- That first post went on my facebook-I have many people on my friends list,from church even a man in training to be a decon, and men in the Knights of Columbus-and so far-once again-I have not heard a peep in response……
Quote (Raziel @ Nov. 01 2011,05:01) That is a problem. A bigger problem is who you make your master. When Saul became king God told the jews they would be slaves to him because they chose a human king over the almighty as the king. Today some people make their fav politician their master and wonder why they are practically slaves to them and then think if they get someone better things will magically change. I was just chating with someone who liked Obama and mentioned that in a youtube video Obama says he has been to 57 states and has more to go to. The only thing he could say was bush sucked and left obama with too much stuff.It's one thing to like someone but at least admit he/she makes mistakes. The first commandment is love your God and people tend skip that and go to love your neighbor. When you kick God out of it what or who ever replaces it your false God and idol. Most if not all sin can be traced to that as a root. Just got to wait for Jesus this will get worse before it gets better.
I agree Chris, it will get worse before it get's better. Also what you said about replacing God. Your right, all problems can be traced back to idols. Money, People, Things etc. I agree with you. Peace-MarkWisdom 14:27 “For the worship of infamous idols is the reason and source and extremity of all evil”
Quote (mikeangel @ Oct. 31 2011,21:26) I wrote this in my facebook to be seen by all. I am getting tired of the separation I feel at church. They are saying Masonry is not compatable with Rcc, because of secrets. I am wanting to push this into debate. Get rid of your secrets or Accept the masons(NOT). Pray that I may make a positive differance in this church and they wake up one day. Also pray for the contradiction to the evil day this is today. I plan on handing out Bible tracts today and fasting and praying with Raziel. Hope all is well-Mark
Hey Chris,I didn't make it to get Bible tracts to pass out last night, but I did fast yesterday. I had never in my whole life did a fast on my own without the church. I will do that again, I got alot out of it. Yesterday afternoon I rode through Shelby Forest and got some answers to some questions I have about dealing with the world and church and others. Thanks-Hope you are having a good week-Mark
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2011,06:36) Hi Mark,
Are you a Mason? From what I have heard, this is a very satanic organization when a member reaches higher levels. There is a former Mason that is now born again who warns of this group. He has a series of YouTube videos out on the dangers with them. I posted them on HN at one time. if I find it, I will put up the link. From what he says, the problem is much more serious than there being secrets.Be careful,
Kathi
Hey Kathi,I watched most of the video. Don't get me wrong, but he didn't seem prophetic to me. Many of the things he stated were true, but many things were either (1) Fantasy believed in him to be truth (my daughter is an expert with that), and (2) Truth with profiteering. I researched him, and found the most objectional commentary by Mark Rice. I do not believe in Aliens, or abduction. I cannot believe this. I do not believe in Vampires. This is evil fantasys. I do believe in the evil in freemasonry. I do believe there could be the “illuminati” which is trying to control the world. He also mixes the “Gnostic Catholic church” with the Roman. Roman Catholics do not believe Jesus “learned” to be the son of God as he states, as well as other things he stated. They know Moses parted the Red sea . There is some truth in what he says about the other things, I researched them before, like the O.T.O. and the other groups, which he states he belonged to all of them. And they are REALLY evil. But then he goes way out there on what I percieve is reality. There are no UFOs. The aliens don't want us to ride along. You can't have sex with a demon. You cant grow and retract teeth to feed on blood. He sells books, and lectures, and videos, and Money twist the truth or exaggerates it, as I believe he has done. I can't wait for Jesus to get here and set the world down and truth reigns. That includes him, the churches, the masons, the illumanati, and humanity. Peace Kathi-Mark
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it seems that many await the coming of Christ ,but the true question is not there ,it is will he come to condemn us or the justify us ?
Christ return as no influence on the true Christians ,because they have already stopped living according to the world and have fully submitted ,to God will,
secret society are organization either religious,or other but they have to first protect their own organization before do anything else,or their would not be an organization, so the question would be does God need a men's organization to do his work
to me NO
but the devil needs it badly,it is a precondition ,lies are always second hand ,truth always direct ,Pierre
Hi Mark,
He is not claiming to be prophetic, he is teaching history, his and the history of the Illuminati. As far as UFO's, I believe if there are UFO's, then they are not people from another planet but more likely demons setting the stage for future acceptance of supposed extra-terrestrials which are really demons and not some nice creatures from another planet. I don't know, but it is an interesting theory. As far as this guy being a vampire, I do not discount that there could be an evil spirit of vamperism. As far as having sex with a demon, I do not discount this either because I believe that demons can take on different appearances and are seeking to destroy in any means they can. So, with that said, I have had no personal experience with what he claims but I give people the benefit of the doubt…not competely buying into their claims but also not saying that it is impossible. As far as Mark Rice goes, I know first hand how people can misrepresent you and completely misunderstand you and also want to discredit you on the basis of what they completely misunderstand. I have let that strengthen me to keep my eyes on Jesus and ignore those who want to discredit me (God know the truth and He is our defense, right). I'm sure that people like himself that want to be honest and expose darkness like we are told to do, would have many that would set out to discredit him. As far as the things he says about the Catholic church, you may be right, idk.God bless,
KathiMark I agree with you. There's no such thing as Aliens. No Aliens will come down out of the sky! Bad spirits can be in man… but bad spirit's cant materialise and appear to us, in any way shape or form. The only way shape or form (like ghosts) is just our imagination.
The Illuminati had a plan long ago to evolve into something higher than man (they believe in evolution). They also planned to dumb us down, desensitize us, make us like animals to work the land and do their work as they evolved (or waited to evolve) into something else. They also planned to kill off half of humanity. It was years ago I was looking into it all. It was our first conversation, remember?
(If there were aliens come down, it would probably be staged by man).
It is all over my head in alot of ways. As far a sex with a demon, well, from personal experience, you can have sex with someone possesed by a demon. I was married to one for 14 years. My mom tried to exorcise her, and I saw pure evil for the first and hopefully last time. But as far as the actual entity in spiritual form, I cannot buy that. Also Kathi, you are right. I am just automatically skeptical of someone who sells books and makes money on thier testimony. As far as Spiritual manifestations, I have not personally experienced one, except a few times either God or his Angel spoke to me twice in my life, and they were very short and to the point. It seemed to come from behind my head in the back. I didn't see anything though, but the voice was plain as day. I enjoy thinking about it from time to time. I don't claim to know everything, but I am always aware of what Paul warned “Satan will disguise himself as an angel of light”. I consider this whan I think of the appiritions at Fatima, or Mohammed in the cave listening to “Gabriel”, or the other things I read about. I got a book of miricles written by a skeptic, and he investigated them and got eyewitness accounts of a few things, even from agnostics. I leave all that up to God. I believe what I have seen and felt, and that is God is real and living in all of us, and protects us and guides us, and will set things straight and destroy all lies and deception one fine day. Love ya'll-Mark
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