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NICK….Why are you continuly trying to discredit me, how many times do i have to tell you it’s not about me, it about what Paul was telling the THESALONIANS. Satan does not want this truth brought out , why are you taken his side Nick?, If you have something to offer about this topic then please offer it, but the truth is you can’t offer one point that is against what i have written, so you simply attack my person, bad form Nick.
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Gene,
Nick is a troll. He has always been a troll. He is not interested in engaging you from the scriptures. He wants only to troll.
TO ALL…..It is not my purpose to get into personal attacks on anyones charater, please keep your commits about subject matter, and produce scriptures that either support it or question it, but please keep it about these subjects, “2Ths 2 explained” or “Satan’s doctrine of seperation” as both of them tie together. IMO
peace and love to you all and yours. …….gene
Anthony. …please read all five pages of this thread i started and give my your feed back.
Overall, i believe there is no “real” man of sin, but it is a false “image” of Jesus being a God. He is the “only” human being who has taken his seat in the true temple of God, and is being worshipped as a true God, This false “image” of him was starting to take root at the time of the apostles Paul and John, and the fallen away was address in the church at his day who were startibg to introduce this false teaching of Jesus being a God.
Read and see what you think brother, Jodi has and agrees with me on this.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Anthony….please read this post on 2nd thes 2, and give me your opinion.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
Hi Gene
I read the post and I have to say that I agree with Jael. Rome fell in A.D. 476, great power was shifted into the hands of church clerics. Roman Catholic church. I can’t see it like you do. God bless.
Anthony…. The apostle Paul said that, that iniquity was already working in his day, and also remember he said it was a “lie” , a lie does not represent the real person, it is what is said about a real person. Also remember it says that he takes his seat in the temple of God, the (true God), not a false temple of a pope, no one would ever believe the pope is a God not even the Chatolic’s believe that, but is that not where Jesus now sits?, Please go and reread 2thes2, the complete chapter and as you read see how it fits, the present day false teaching about JESUS, who does sit in the temple of the true God, it is he that is being put forth and worshiped as a God, this lie came to fulation in 325 AD at the councilof Necia, that is when Jesus was proclaimed and worshipped as a God and exists to this very day, it is that very “LIE” THAT JESUS WILL ABOLISH by his own mouth AT HIS RETURN. Just as it says there.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene Yes Gene It was already happening, our adversary was already casting confusion and lies within the Church. Gene there’s always truth with falseness, all ways was and always will be till the second coming of Jesus Christ. I can see in some cases that what was truth then, is false now and what was false then, in some cases, is truth now. Take for example for the first 500 years Unaversal Salvation was the prominent teaching. And now most believe it’s false. Doctorines developed over time within the Church,and the majority believe of a eternal tormenting Hell now. Gene we need to ask ourselves how did things happen and search it out, that’s where church history comes in to play. Some not All says, in this site that all of that history of the church Father’s are false and basically B.S. that’s not true there’s truth and falseness both and I feel we need to see how this all developed over time.( The process)and how it all relates to the Word of God and us. As close to the original as we can. Which even will led one to check out manscripts and translations. Do you know Gene that history has away of repeating it’s self. Because our adversary is like a lion seeking to devour. He started with a lie and He will end with a lie. So in saying all of that I believe to the best of my ability with our helper, the Spirit of God the Father and His Only begotten Son, Jesus Christ I believe that the Roman Catholic Church is this Man of Sin (perdition). Now I’m not going to get in to all, of what as to be seen for Spiritual understanding, about this subject because there’s a lot. I will say that the book of Daniel will help, and Revelation. I also will say that it’s not the people, that believe that the Only begotten Son is God also like His Father Yahweh . That you say changes Him from being just a man to a God. I myself believe if God had a Son the Son would be a God. My Father had a human and I’m a human. But now I’m a human saved by Grace through Faith waiting upon the Only Begotten Son. God bless.
Hi Gene
In 2 Thessalonians 2, the apostle Paul speaks of the rise of a “man of sin” who would sit in the “temple of God” showing himself to be like God, and exalting himself into the place of Christ Jesus on earth. This man of sin was already revealed hundreds of years ago during the great Protestant reformation. But because of blindness to the truth and the deceptions of Satan, the mainstream Christian churches have all pretty much rejected the great truths that God revealed during the reformation. So here, we reveal them again for those who have eyes to see.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 …’Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, andthat man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.’
Now what does it mean to sit in the temple of God, showing himself to be like God? Well, we know from Hebrews 8:4-5 and Hebrews 9:24 that the earthly temple (tabernacle), which God instructed Moses to make in the Old Testament was a COPY of the original temple in heaven where Jehovah resides. So let’s find out from the temple sanctuary that Moses made what God’s throne is like.
Exodus 25:17-19 …’And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.’
This is the description of the articles in the most holy place of the sanctuary. We have the mercy seat, which represents the throne of God. And either side of God’s throne are two golden cherubim. And remember, this is a COPY of the actual throne of God in heaven. So in heaven, God has two living cherubim either side of His throne. And Ezekiel 28:12-17 confirms that Lucifer (Satan) used to be one of those “covering cherubs”.
Psalm 99:1 …’The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.’
Revelation 20:11 …’And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.’
What is the “temple” today?
Acts 7:48 …’Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet.’
1 Corinthians 3:16 …’Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?’
2 Corinthians 6:16 …’And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.’
1 Peter 2:5 …’Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.’
This simple truth is overlooked by so many today. When we look for that man of sin, we should not be looking for someone to be sitting in a rebuilt temple in Israel. No, the temple of God today, as Paul and Peter confirmed, is THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. So the man of sin we are looking for is someone SITTING IN THE ‘PROFESSED’ CHRISTIAN CHURCH, showing himself that he is “like God” and exalting himself to a position where he should not be.
So we are looking for someone WITHIN the Professed Church, sitting on a throne, acting like he is “as God”
Screen captures from Vatican TV (link)
Hi Gene here that site:
Hi Anthony,
The reformation was just when the false church first divided itself
and that process still continues to this day as more daughters of the whore are spawned.
The plants that my Father did not plant will be uprooted.
Anthony….It doesn’t say “like” God but it say he (JESUS) takes his sits in the temple of God, being desplayed AND WORSHIPED AS GOD. Who is the only “man” who now sits beside THE TRUE GOD IN HEAVEN being desplayed as a GOD, and is being “worshiped” as a GOD IS IT NOT JESUS?. ALSO notice it say that iniquity was already working (“for the mystery of iniquity does already work”) yes it was already working at the time of Paul and the apostle John. Paul was prophesying what was starting to take place in the church of his day, but he and JOHN were holding it back, until they were taken out of the way, then this “LIE”, OF JESUS BEING A GOD BEGAIN TO SERIOUSLY INFECT THE CHURCH, BY THOSE WHO DID NOT “LOVE THE TRUTH” So God sent them a deluding spirit inorder for them to believe a “LIE”. Remember it is a ‘LIE’ their believing in, no pole has ever said he is A GOD, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOR WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE HIM IF HE DID SAY THAT, NOT EVEN THOSE IN THE CHATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD BELIEVE THAT. IN FACT NO HUMAN BEING THAT SAID HE WAS A GOD WOULD BE BELIEVED. BUT SAYING JESUS IS A GOD NEARLY ALL CHRISTENDOM BELIEVES THAT, AND THEY WORSHIP HIM AS A GOD ALSO.
This iniquity was what the Gnostic’s of that day taught. An iniquity is a “type” of sin, it is a sin the appears good, but is none the less a sin. THE TEACHING OF THE GNOSTIC’S OF THAT DAY WAS IN LINE WITH THE GREEK PLATOIAN TEACHINGS OF MAN GOD, they joined the true church and begain to teach false teachings of Jesus, making him out to be a GOD AND HE PREXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH. The same teachings are the main teachings of christanity today.
The Chatholic church had nothing to do with the “lie” that was infecting the church (AT THAT TIME), they were the result of that “LIE” JUST AS ALL CHRISTANITY IS. YOU SEEM TO BE LOSING THE FACT THAT IT WAS A “LIE” THAT PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT, THIS “LIE” ABOUT JESUS WAS ACTIVELY TAKING PLACE IN THE TRUE CHURCH AT PAUL AND JOHN’S DAY. YOUR FOCUSING ON THE RESULT OF THE “LIE” NOT ON THE “LIE” ITSELF. THAT IS THE SAME WITH THE REFERENCES YOU ARE POSTING,
THIS FALSE “IMAGE” OF JESUS OR “LIE” ABOUT JESUS, IS A BREAING OF THE FIRST COMMANDMENT, “THOU SHALT HAVE “NO” OTHER GOD BESIDE ME, YOU SHALL MAKE NO IMAGE OF ME IN HEAVEN OR ON THE EARTH OR UNDER THE EARTH’. So saying a person is a God and worshiping him as such, is a sin, hence turning the image of Jesus to be a man of sin. IT IS THIS FALSE IMAGE OF JESUS THAT IS THE “LIE” Paul was speaking of, and it would cause the faling away or apostasy. Which as a result caused all these false churches and false teachibg we have today in christanity.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Anthony….All things have to fit, to understand a prophecy, does everything fit in your understanding of Paul’s prophetic words in 2 thes 2. Remember Paul said that mystery of iniquity was “ALREADY WORKING” in his time. Yes the GNOSTIC’S WERE ALREADY PREACHING JESUS AS A GOD IN PAULS DAY AS WELL A JOHN’S ALSO, They eventually left the church and started their own form of Christianity that eventually took over the whole church when the apostles died out, and that is when the fallen away took place, and exists unto this very day. Anthony the “LIE” was about who Jesus was, it was about him, not the pope or anyone else. Remember Jesus said the deception would be about him, not someone else.
Anthony here is another example of understand scripture, in revelations it says this, “five are fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. If you can understand that you can exactly date the time of the events being spoken about. Remember what DANIEL said about the kingdoms that would arise upon the earth, there were five that would rise out of Babylon, and after that another would be established by GOD , THAT MAKES SIX kingdoms on this earth, so if you apply that then you can see that the one that “IS” is the kingdom of Jesus and the Saints, and the one that is to come is when Satan is released out of the bottomless pit and causes another kingdom to arise, that is the seventh kingdom. Satan who comes out of the bottomless pit is the eight but of the seventh.
SO THE EVENTS BEING MENTIONED there is speaking from the point of view of sixth kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saints, because that is the one that “IS” IN THE PROPHESY. That time dates it, and eliminates lot of speculations.
The same applies with 2 thesseloians 2, everything has to fit, that will eliminate false speculations. Make a list of facts writtin there and see if what you have said fit the prophesy, remember if they don’t then the interputation is wrong. Please show me where i am wrong in what i have said, concerning 2 thes 2. Take every detail written there and compair it with what i have said, and you will find everything fits exactly. If there is something there that doesn’t fit tell me and we can descuss it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
To all…….sorry for bringing this topic up over and over, but I truly believe if we could all come to a good understanding of it, it will tell us about the confusion concerning Jesus, and how the original church became corrupted right from the start.. SO PLEASE EVERONE HERE READ IT AGAIN AND LESS TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT 2THS2 IS REALLY SAYING to the church today, about what has already taken place in the church early on.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ………gene
Things to think about.
Who is the “only” human to take his seat in the (true) TEMPLE OF GOD, that is mentioned in scriptures? Is it not Jesus?
“The LORD said unto my lord sit on my side until I make your enimies your foot stool”
Peace and love to you all and yours. ………gene
Nick…..That is true, and I have tested this and hold fast to it, we should all buy the truth and sell it not. I am not in disagreement with those word Nick. Let’s go back to the subject and see where I did not post it right then, show me. Where I did not, deal with it right. Are you being like T8, and not even reading it, and come out and slander me without even knowing what I have said?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
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