Scriptures that prove jesus is god…….

[Baker]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,11:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:10) Mike Your statement is circular. JA is right. Only Mike knows everything that is true here. And just for the record, this kind of statement is worse than anything I've said to Mark. JA has also called you “a god in your own mind” and has said other derogatory things to and about you.  Things that I personally addressed with him in pm's at the time Keith because he was wrong to be so personal and insulting. What bearing would it have on OUR discussion for me to bring up things that JA has said about you and say “He was right about you Keith”? If YOU think that I think I'm the only one with truth, then YOU should make that claim.  Whether JA had ever said that or not should have no bearing on the matter.  Agreed? mike Mike As far as JA I agree, however my point is for you to make statements of judgment about someones faith as if you know their heart is wrong. You come across as if only you are fully convinced of the truth and no one else is. WJ

WJ As far as Mark's faith is concerned, He belongs to the Catholic Church and is part of that Church.  There is not one thing that I remember about their doctrines that now I agree with.  Yes, Mark loves God, but not enough to leave the Church.  It is more important to Him what other people in that Church do, then what God through the scriptures tell us what to do.  Sorry but that doesn't fit to well with me…..Peace and Love Irene

[terraricca]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 18 2010,11:11)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,11:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:10) Mike Your statement is circular. JA is right. Only Mike knows everything that is true here. And just for the record, this kind of statement is worse than anything I've said to Mark. JA has also called you “a god in your own mind” and has said other derogatory things to and about you.  Things that I personally addressed with him in pm's at the time Keith because he was wrong to be so personal and insulting. What bearing would it have on OUR discussion for me to bring up things that JA has said about you and say “He was right about you Keith”? If YOU think that I think I'm the only one with truth, then YOU should make that claim.  Whether JA had ever said that or not should have no bearing on the matter.  Agreed? mike Mike As far as JA I agree, however my point is for you to make statements of judgment about someones faith as if you know their heart is wrong. You come across as if only you are fully convinced of the truth and no one else is. WJ WJ As far as Mark's faith is concerned, He belongs to the Catholic Church and is part of that Church.  There is not one thing that I remember about their doctrines that now I agree with.  Yes, Mark loves God, but not enough to leave the Church.  It is more important to Him what other people in that Church do, then what God through the scriptures tell us what to do.  Sorry but that doesn't fit to well with me…..Peace and Love Irene

WJ

and you know the truth of God does not need men to stand up for,

for no men can stand in the way of the truth of God,

so it is men who have to make up there mine to join Gods will or not.

Jos 1:5 No one will be able to stand up against you all the days of your life. As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you.
Jos 1:6 “Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their forefathers to give them.
Jos 1:7 Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go.

Jos 3:3 giving orders to the people: “When you see the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, and the priests, who are Levites, carrying it, you are to move out from your positions and follow it.
Jos 3:4 Then you will know which way to go, since you have never been this way before. But keep a distance of about a thousand yards between you and the ark; do not go near it.”
Jos 3:5 Joshua told the people, “Consecrate yourselves, for tomorrow the LORD will do amazing things among you.”

Pierre

[glad tidings]

Hey Mike,

I believe you would be blessed to visit our church website: http://www.kingdomready.org. At this site, there is a lot of good info regarding Monotheism that I think could give you great new insights. There's another link that is supported by members of our church that is also very good. http://www.christianmonotheism.com

Cheers, Pat

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pat,

I enjoyed the trinity debate you pointed me to months ago. And I will check out the sites you listed here………thank you.

peace and love to you,
mike

[mikeboll64]

From one of Pat's links:  http://www.christianmonotheism.com/

we affirm
that the Bible, both Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, are inspired and true
that God is a singular individual named Yahweh (the Father of Jesus)
that Jesus was miraculously begotten by God in the womb of the virgin Mary
that Jesus could have sinned but instead chose to consistently obey the will of his Father in every situation
that God was at work in his Messiah in an unparalleled way such that Jesus was empowered to do many miracles
that Jesus is God's supreme agent and thus may be called God because he represents Yahweh
that Jesus died for our sins, was resurrected from the dead, ascended into heaven, and will return to judge the living and the dead
that the holy spirit is the means by which Father and Son are able to be present in the world even though they remain in heaven
that tens of thousands of singular pronouns mean that God is a singular individual

we deny
that belief in the Trinity is necessary for salvation
that Jesus had to be God in order for his death to pay for the sins of the world
that salvation has anything to do with consenting to unintelligible creeds
that it is possible to be both God and human at once
that it is possible to be immortal and yet die for the sins of the world
that it is possible to be omniscient and yet not know the day or hour of one's return
that one can be begotten and yet have no beginning
that the holy spirit is a distinct individual from the Father and the Son
that truth is determined either by how many people believe it or by how long it has been a cherished belief
that Jesus believed in the Trinity since he agreed with a non-trinitarian scribe on who God is by confirming the central creed of Judaism: The Shema
that the thousands of references to “GOD” in the Bible ever mean a Triune God
that we know it all

I fit right in with all of this…….except for the begotten part.  I believe Jesus was begotten “before the ages” in heaven long before he was again begotten through Mary as flesh.  I believe that all things were created BY God, THROUGH His only begotten Son.

Thanks for this Pat.  I will surely look into it and I am already excited about the sermon.  I have not been to a physical church in so long……..I ACHE to hear this sermon.  

peace and love and blessings to you,
mike

[mikeangel]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 18 2010,04:11)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,11:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:10) Mike Your statement is circular. JA is right. Only Mike knows everything that is true here. And just for the record, this kind of statement is worse than anything I've said to Mark. JA has also called you “a god in your own mind” and has said other derogatory things to and about you.  Things that I personally addressed with him in pm's at the time Keith because he was wrong to be so personal and insulting. What bearing would it have on OUR discussion for me to bring up things that JA has said about you and say “He was right about you Keith”? If YOU think that I think I'm the only one with truth, then YOU should make that claim.  Whether JA had ever said that or not should have no bearing on the matter.  Agreed? mike Mike As far as JA I agree, however my point is for you to make statements of judgment about someones faith as if you know their heart is wrong. You come across as if only you are fully convinced of the truth and no one else is. WJ WJ As far as Mark's faith is concerned, He belongs to the Catholic Church and is part of that Church.  There is not one thing that I remember about their doctrines that now I agree with.  Yes, Mark loves God, but not enough to leave the Church.  It is more important to Him what other people in that Church do, then what God through the scriptures tell us what to do.  Sorry but that doesn't fit to well with me…..Peace and Love Irene

To Anybody:

Yes, I belong to the Catholic church. Yes, they do things that I do not agree with. Yes they do things that I agree with. Point being that they are imperfect, and have over time, like even Gods original system of Priest did, succome to error over time. They, and every man run church on earth are flawed. But, so is every single human now or has ever lived. Anyone pointing the finger at anything or anyone, imo, is not displaying perfect love. and imo if you say there is no church on earth good enough for you, and judge those who do, imo you are in the  wrong. They fall into the sin of pride. It is making one's self feel justified by pointing others faults, while being blind at the same time to thier own.

Also, in Revalation, notice that the letters are to the churches. It doesn't say that all churches are wrong. It says that some in differant churches were good, and to hold on. it says that some would be tested in trials.  What if it were god's will to put things in or allow things in a church as a test? Like when God was going to choose an army at Gideon, and the men who drank like anamals didn't go, but the ones who picked up the water and put it to thier mouth went. The fact that I go to this church is not the measure of me. It's how much faith I have and love god and my neighbors.

If I were pope, and I wish I was:

I would remove all statues besides the crosses.
I would announce that the church was imperfect, subject to human error, change the popes title to “bishop of Rome” instead of “Holy Father”.
I would Put all paintings and sculptures up for sale and use the money to compensate abuse victims, and create a fund , i.e. a benevolence fund, for victims of sexual abuse, including other churches victims.
I would apologise to God and the world, for any abuses of power by the church, and humbly ask for forgiveness.

I would have all idols that came from Roman times or any other times ground down to dust, along with the bases that held them, and dump the dust in a sewer.

Without going into detail, I would announce, God is “The King”

But I am not. And besides the letters I wrote and Prayer there is nothing else I can do, and my concience tells me to stay put and pray and wait for God to handle it, because he in infinitely powerful, and nothing is impossible for him……….

[mikeangel]

Also, it is a belief in the Rcc that we are saved by Jesus' sacrifice. Is there disagreement with that? Peace

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 08 2011,12:35)

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 18 2010,04:11) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,11:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:10) Mike Your statement is circular. JA is right. Only Mike knows everything that is true here. And just for the record, this kind of statement is worse than anything I've said to Mark. JA has also called you “a god in your own mind” and has said other derogatory things to and about you.  Things that I personally addressed with him in pm's at the time Keith because he was wrong to be so personal and insulting. What bearing would it have on OUR discussion for me to bring up things that JA has said about you and say “He was right about you Keith”? If YOU think that I think I'm the only one with truth, then YOU should make that claim.  Whether JA had ever said that or not should have no bearing on the matter.  Agreed? mike Mike As far as JA I agree, however my point is for you to make statements of judgment about someones faith as if you know their heart is wrong. You come across as if only you are fully convinced of the truth and no one else is. WJ WJ As far as Mark's faith is concerned, He belongs to the Catholic Church and is part of that Church.  There is not one thing that I remember about their doctrines that now I agree with.  Yes, Mark loves God, but not enough to leave the Church.  It is more important to Him what other people in that Church do, then what God through the scriptures tell us what to do.  Sorry but that doesn't fit to well with me…..Peace and Love Irene To Anybody: Yes, I belong to the Catholic church. Yes, they do things that I do not agree with. Yes they do things that I agree with. Point being that they are imperfect, and have over time, like even Gods original system of Priest did, succome to error over time. They, and every man run church on earth are flawed. But, so is every single human now or has ever lived. Anyone pointing the finger at anything or anyone, imo, is not displaying perfect love. and imo if you say there is no church on earth good enough for you, and judge those who do, imo you are in the  wrong. They fall into the sin of pride. It is making one's self feel justified by pointing others faults, while being blind at the same time to thier own.

Hi Mark

I agree!

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