Saul 'paul' of tarsus

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2009,12:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2009,20:20) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:12-14 Now Paul after calling Jesus cursed then says: Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the HolySpirit. 1 Corinthians 12:2-4 Explain ED Hi BD, I will gladly explain it for you; BD. I’m glad you have learned to trust me as true “witness” of “YHVH”=63 (YÄ-hä-vā). (AKJV Joshua 22:34) First, let me start by telling you people need the HolySpirit residing on the inside of them to understand the Holy Scriptures(“The Bible”=63; Gen.1:1 through Rev.22:21). Without the HolySpirit(GOD) residing on the inside, then this verse truly apples… 2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. The Bible’s message is to be born again, meaning HolySpirit(God) birthed on the inside of a person! Christ truly took the ‘curse’ of mankind when he died on a cross(tree). Yet, Jesus in his lifetime here on Earth did no sin; God therefore raised Jesus back to life. (Gal.1:1) On the day of “Pentecost”=117(54 days after Jesus' death), “YHVH”=63 as the “Spirit [of] God”=117(God Spirit), came to dwell on the inside of people, thus the first people on Earth were now “Born Again”! This time frame can be mathematically stated as the following [63+54=117]. These newly “Born Again” people are now living members in the “Kingdom of God”. This concept(of being Born Again) is explained in the following Bible verses… John 14:4 And whither I(Jesus) go ye know, and the way(to “GOD The Father”=117) ye know. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father(HolySpirit) will love him, and “we” will come unto him, and make “our” abode with him(The Believer). This is what happened on the day of Pentecost, Jesus and his Father(HolySpirit) indwelled the first “Born Again” believers called “Christians”. These next verses help to explain this concept of Jesus returning for a second time with his father(HolySpirit) on the day of Pentecost… This verse applies to Jesus Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many (with Jesus' crucifixion); and unto them(now all Believers) that look for him(Jesus) shall he(Jesus) appear the second time without sin unto salvation. And this verse applies to Jesus' Father HolySpirit Isaiah 64:5 Thou(HolySpirit) meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. “The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117; who is known in the Hebrew tongue as 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm, and there is NO OTHER! (Isaiah 43:11) I hope this helps you(BD) to understand true “Bible Truth”=117. The Apostle Paul was also a true “witness” of YHVH! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

You weren't even close to answering the question

[karmarie]

How could Paul be a false Apostle? I dont think he was. The evidence of the fruit is worldwide.

I dont know enough about the subject to give any real argument but I do know Paul was sent to the Gentiles, and its how the Gospel of Jesus was spread throughout the world

Definition of Gentiles= non Isrealites, so maybe its harder for an Isrealite to understand Pauls writtings?

[karmarie]

Ok im gonna read up on this properly, it is intersting.

[CLIO-PATRA]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 26 2009,20:24)

How could Paul be a false Apostle? I dont think he was. The evidence of the fruit is worldwide. I dont know enough about the subject to give any real argument but I do know Paul was sent to the Gentiles, and its how the Gospel of Jesus was spread throughout the world Hi karmarie – The evidenceof Paul's fruit world wide is absolutely horrendous …. are you aware that there are in the region of 33,000 denominations – all done in the name of Paul … something is wrong here ….division is not what Yahshua (Jesus) taught … one shepherd one flock …. On whose word do you have it that Paul was sent to the Gentiles? Only Paul's!! Oh that your eyes would be opened and you see this evil apostate for who he really is … really he truly is the great deceiver!!

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[karmarie]

Quote (CLIO-PATRA @ Dec. 27 2009,09:02)

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 26 2009,20:24) How could Paul be a false Apostle? I dont think he was. The evidence of the fruit is worldwide. I dont know enough about the subject to give any real argument but I do know Paul was sent to the Gentiles, and its how the Gospel of Jesus was spread throughout the world Hi karmarie – The evidenceof Paul's fruit world wide is absolutely horrendous …. are you aware that there are in the region of 33,000 denominations – all done in the name of Paul … something is wrong here ….division is not what Yahshua (Jesus) taught … one shepherd one flock …. On whose word do you have it that Paul was sent to the Gentiles? Only Paul's!! Oh that your eyes would be opened and you see this evil apostate for who he really is … really he truly is the great deceiver!! https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi

Hi Cp,

Written by the Apostle Peter

2nd Peter 3

15 Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him.

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever! Amen.

I can understand what you say about the thousands of denominations, that is so true, there should be no division, I never felt at home in any church, so dont go, somethings definatly not right

But maybe its not Paul himself but rather as the scripture from Peter above says, that it has been misunderstood, Peter definatly seems to stand by Paul and so do all the early church father writtings, Paul was really respected by them.

Or maybe half of Pauls writtings are missing

[NickHassan]

Hi KM,
No, seek the Spirit that enlivened Paul and Peter and joined them with Jesus and his God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 27 2009,11:43)

Quote (CLIO-PATRA @ Dec. 27 2009,09:02) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 26 2009,20:24) How could Paul be a false Apostle? I dont think he was. The evidence of the fruit is worldwide. I dont know enough about the subject to give any real argument but I do know Paul was sent to the Gentiles, and its how the Gospel of Jesus was spread throughout the world Hi karmarie – The evidenceof Paul's fruit world wide is absolutely horrendous …. are you aware that there are in the region of 33,000 denominations – all done in the name of Paul … something is wrong here ….division is not what Yahshua (Jesus) taught … one shepherd one flock …. On whose word do you have it that Paul was sent to the Gentiles? Only Paul's!! Oh that your eyes would be opened and you see this evil apostate for who he really is … really he truly is the great deceiver!! https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi Hi Cp, Written by the Apostle Peter 2nd Peter 3    15 Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him.    16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.    17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.    18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever! Amen. I can understand what you say about the thousands of denominations, that is so true, there should be no division, I never felt at home in any church, so dont go, somethings definatly not right But maybe its not Paul himself but rather as the scripture from Peter above says, that it has been misunderstood, Peter definatly seems to stand by Paul and so do all the early church father writtings, Paul was really respected by them. Or maybe half of Pauls writtings are missing

16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The things he was referring to was the return of Christ and not the entire work of Paul, this can be know because the context in what came before.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

So what some people were twisting was that Jesus had already returned such as the preterist like ED and The Thinker both who have decided that Jesus second coming has already come and gone.

[karmarie]

I could not absorb Pauls writtings so stopped reading them, (iv read the rest of the new testament though) but the way i see it, its safer to respect Paul as an Apostle, rather than say he wasnt, then find out he was, he was Martyred for his work of spreading the Gospel, so he has my respect, and like T8 said, in NZ or Samoa or places far away, they have recived the Gospel thanks to Pauls and Peters work with the Gentiles.

[NickHassan]

Hi KM,
God was with him just as God was with his master.[Acts 10.38]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2009,15:37)

Hi KM, God was with him just as God was with his master.[Acts 10.38]

God chose King Saul too, tell me was King Saul obedient to God?

And Saul answered and said, Am not I a Benjamite, of the smallest of the tribes of Israel? and my family the least of all the families of the tribe of Benjamin? wherefore then speakest thou so to me?
1 Samuel 9:20-22

Who else was from this tribe?

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:1-3

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Philippians 3:4-6

but why does that matter?

Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.
Genesis 49:26-28

What did Jesus say?

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:14-16

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
You come with another empty gospel and accuse Paul?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2009,17:11)

Hi BD, You come with another empty gospel and accuse Paul?

You seem to not want to read and learn. Do I really accuse Paul

And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
Luke 12:13-15

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Paul is proven but you seem to lack credibility do you not?

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2009,18:42)

Hi BD, Paul is proven but you seem to lack credibility do you not?

In what way is 'Paul proven'?

Stuart

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:31)

So what some people were twisting was that Jesus had already returned such as the preterist like ED and The Thinker both who have decided that Jesus second coming has already come and gone.

Hi BD,

You really don't understand “The God”(YHVH) of “The Bible” at all, do you?

You should get yourself a Strong's Concordance, and throw away your 'book of garbage';
you might actually learn something about the God we all serve here at [Heaven.net.nz]!

Elements, in 2Peter 3:10, should have been translated as “Rudiments”;
meaning satan's military command, which is now coming to an end! (Daniel 11:32)

“The day of the LORD” has come Just as the Bible declared it would,
as a thief in the night, that's why you were caught unawares. (Luke 21:34-35)

Isaiah 2:12 For the “day of the LORD” of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty,
and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Ed J (Daniel 11:18)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:16)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:31) So what some people were twisting was that Jesus had already returned such as the preterist like ED and The Thinker both who have decided that Jesus second coming has already come and gone. Hi BD, You really don't understand “The God”(YHVH) of “The Bible” at all, do you? You should get yourself a Strong's Concordance, and throw away your 'book of garbage'; you might actually learn something about the God we all serve here at [Heaven.net.nz]! Elements, in 2Peter 3:10, should have been translated as “Rudiments”; meaning satan's military command, which is now coming to an end! (Daniel 11:32) “The day of the LORD” has come Just as the Bible declared it would, as a thief in the night, that's why you were caught unawares. (Luke 21:34-35) Isaiah 2:12 For the “day of the LORD” of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Ed J (Daniel 11:18)

What “Book of Garbage”? Would you appreciate someone calling the book you wrote that “Book of Garbage”?

How is it you see Satans military command ending and if you say this has been happening for 2000 years your claim severely lacks credibility it seems Satan has deceived you. Also, what do you mean I was caught unawares I thought you said the”The day of the LORD” happened long before I was born of course I would be unaware if it occured but it hasn't unless you call the evil in the world today “good” Because your essentially saying that Jesus has returned and now homosexuals can get married as it now being allowed all over America, Several countries are seeking to destroy other countries and you say that this is coming from a weakened Satan?

ED, how disappointing you are sorely in need of instruction, by the way there is a debate waiting for you a no show is considered a victory, I've already defeated WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 28 2009,05:42)

How is it you see Satans military command ending and if you say this has been happening for 2000 years your claim severely lacks credibility it seems Satan has deceived you. Also, what do you mean I was caught unawares I thought you said the”The day of the LORD” happened long before I was born of course I would be unaware if it occured but it hasn't unless you call the evil in the world today “good” Because your essentially saying that Jesus has returned and now homosexuals can get married as it now being allowed all over America, Several countries are seeking to destroy other countries and you say that this is coming from a weakened Satan? ED, how disappointing you are sorely in need of instruction

Hi BD,

Since you still “really don't understand” what I have been stating,
I will repeat it again with the hope some day you will.

The “three” main GREAT feasts of God are…

1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=148

2) Which started “Pentecost”=117 the “Former Rain”=117 of  
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(God Spirit)

3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the  
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151; “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.

Jesus fulfilled “The Passover” around 2,000 years ago.
YHVH=63 Raised Jesus back to life, Jesus is alive 4 days after he died.
Pentecost=117 in Greek means 50; Pentecost therefore began for the first Christians 54 days after the crucifixion.
Proving “GOD The Father”=117 was responsible for the resurrection is the mathematical formula [63+54=117!]
Pentecost was Jesus “second coming” for those first Christians.

People from that time (2,000 years ago) and continuing (including now) must FIRST accept God's ransom sacrifice of His “God Son”=74(Jesus=74).

After our vessel becomes clean (due to what was accomplished on the “Cross”=74) and our willingness to STOP sinning.
GOD The Father then berths us (Born Again) with Himself AKA the “HolySpirit”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151) and with “Jesus Christ”=151(Jesus “second coming” for us);
which becomes our “Pentecost”=117 because “GOD The Father”=117 is then our “GOD” Tabernacling in the inside of our clean vessel.

This is how things have been for the last 2,000 years!
That was the “former rain”=117 of “GOD The Father”=117!

But NOW…

WE are NOW beginning “The Latter Rain”=151 of “The LORD JEHOVAH”=151! a FACT both me and the JW's are aware of. (Prob.16:15)
This is called in Biblical terms is called “The Day of The LORD”!
This day has come upon you(BD) unawares, fulfilling Luke 21:34-35 for you personally.

Most everybody here at [heaven.net.nz] have been working diligently for this day to arrive… “The Day=63 of YHVH=63″!
The world is headed for some REAL “because the time is NOW at hand”: fulfilling 2Thess.2:1.

This is “Bible Truth”=117 and 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm is “Our YHVH”=117!
This is what 'you'(BD) must submit to! or you are NO believer! (Rev.2:11)

Ed J (Isaiah 60:14)

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 28 2009,05:42)

Would you appreciate someone calling the book you wrote that “Book of Garbage”?

Hi BD,

It wouldn't matter, because We(all us believers) don't worship a book, We worship the Living GOD!
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!

Turn to the Living GOD, and stop worshiping satan(BD).

Ed J

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 28 2009,05:42)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:31) So what some people were twisting was that Jesus had already returned such as the preterist like ED and The Thinker both who have decided that Jesus second coming has already come and gone. Hi BD, You really don't understand “The God”(YHVH) of “The Bible” at all, do you? You should get yourself a Strong's Concordance, and throw away your 'book of garbage'; you might actually learn something about the God we all serve here at [Heaven.net.nz]! Elements, in 2Peter 3:10, should have been translated as “Rudiments”; meaning satan's military command, which is now coming to an end! (Daniel 11:32) “The day of the LORD” has come Just as the Bible declared it would, as a thief in the night, that's why you were caught unawares. (Luke 21:34-35) Isaiah 2:12 For the “day of the LORD” of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Ed J (Daniel 11:18) What “Book of Garbage”? Would you appreciate someone calling the book you wrote that “Book of Garbage”?

I dont think Ed J was calling the book you wrote garbage, i think he meant another one? Ed?

(my mums a writter too)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 28 2009,07:54)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 28 2009,05:42) How is it you see Satans military command ending and if you say this has been happening for 2000 years your claim severely lacks credibility it seems Satan has deceived you. Also, what do you mean I was caught unawares I thought you said the”The day of the LORD” happened long before I was born of course I would be unaware if it occured but it hasn't unless you call the evil in the world today “good” Because your essentially saying that Jesus has returned and now homosexuals can get married as it now being allowed all over America, Several countries are seeking to destroy other countries and you say that this is coming from a weakened Satan? ED, how disappointing you are sorely in need of instruction Hi BD, Since you still “really don't understand” what I have been stating, I will repeat it again with the hope some day you will. The “three” main GREAT feasts of God are… 1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by “JESUS MESSIAH”=148 2) Which started “Pentecost”=117 the “Former Rain”=117 of   “GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(God Spirit) 3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the   “HOLY SPIRIT”=151; “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151. Jesus fulfilled “The Passover” around 2,000 years ago. YHVH=63 Raised Jesus back to life, Jesus is alive 4 days after he died. Pentecost=117 in Greek means 50; Pentecost therefore began for the first Christians 54 days after the crucifixion. Proving “GOD The Father”=117 was responsible for the resurrection is the mathematical formula [63+54=117!] Pentecost was Jesus “second coming” for those first Christians. People from that time (2,000 years ago) and continuing (including now) must FIRST accept God's ransom sacrifice of His “God Son”=74(Jesus=74). After our vessel becomes clean (due to what was accomplished on the “Cross”=74) and our willingness to STOP sinning. GOD The Father then berths us (Born Again) with Himself AKA the “HolySpirit”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151) and with “Jesus Christ”=151(Jesus “second coming” for us); which becomes our “Pentecost”=117 because “GOD The Father”=117 is then our “GOD” Tabernacling in the inside of our clean vessel. This is how things have been for the last 2,000 years! That was the “former rain”=117 of “GOD The Father”=117! But NOW… WE are NOW beginning “The Latter Rain”=151 of “The LORD JEHOVAH”=151! a FACT both me and the JW's are aware of. (Prob.16:15) This is called in Biblical terms is called “The Day of The LORD”! This day has come upon you(BD) unawares, fulfilling Luke 21:34-35 for you personally. Most everybody here at [heaven.net.nz] have been working diligently for this day to arrive… “The Day=63 of YHVH=63″! The world is headed for some REAL “because the time is NOW at hand”: fulfilling 2Thess.2:1. This is “Bible Truth”=117 and 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm is “Our YHVH”=117! This is what 'you'(BD) must submit to! or you are NO believer! (Rev.2:11) Ed J (Isaiah 60:14)

Why are you spelling Reign as Rain?

Why do you say “The” Passover but don't say Jesus “The” Messiah

You say God “the” Father but then you use “Spirit God” leaving out “of”

Wasn't the day of pentecost when the Holy Spirit was given?

Until you spell reign right you will never know the Sovereign God

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