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NICK…..GO and read the WESTCOTT & Hort GNT…..Literal Translation, and see for yourself. what thetranslators add did change the text IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours …….gene
Nick….THAT is taken from the “original” Greek text.
What i would like to know from you is this, CAN YOU SEE HOW BY ADDING THOSE WORDS COULD POSSIBLY CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE TIME, THE TEXT WAS REFERING TO AN EMEDITATE EVENT, that was going to come on those people of that time.
JESUS WAS refering to a time in there near future, he was warning them in JERUSALEM that they must flee when they saw that aproaching, into the nations and not try to stay there. THAT WAS THE DESTELATION SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET. That happened around 70 AD, AND THE Jew’s were scattered to different nations in the world , just like the Kingdom o ISREAL WAS.
peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Hi Gene,
The islamic ‘dome of the rock'(set up in 688ad) is the ‘abomination of desolation’.
And I can prove it: by using only the bible, and historical record.Is it in your “FreeWill” up for it?
or
is your captivated mind to captivated?_______________
God bless
Ed JEd,
The temple of the pagan triad set up on the temple mount would be a better historic candidate. It seems it was replaced by the temple of the one God that now sits there.
Marty, I partly agree with Gene on Matthew 24. See the verse you quoted
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.
Whatever the abomination was (the Roman army or something in the temple which Jesus was previously talking about – “not one stone will be left….”), they (the early disciples) fled to PELLA, and waited three and a half years. Then in 70ad, the temple and Jerusalem was destroyed just as Jesus said would happen. Then the chapter continues (v21), and the context becomes the world, and the end times just before the return of Christ (so, today),
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
A word study of the Greek shows two different words used for the Roman world (before v 21) and then the entire earth (after v 21), and other words, (can’t remember them all I’m on my mobile)
miia….ALSO, remember what the deciples ask him about, three things, when shall these things be (the destruction of the temple)? “and” what shall be the sign of his comming?, “and” of the end of the world? there are three destinct different questions ask there.
JESUS WAS ANSWERING THEM ALL. The first was the destruction of the temple which also brought the end of the Jew’s in Jerusalem they were drive out into the world untill 1944, when they began to return. THE next thing will be the return of Jesus Christ and it will be a celestial event, the earth shall rock to and fro like a drunkard, because the powers of heaven (gravitational pulls that lock the heavens together) shall be shaken, causing our ocean to roar and produce giant waves most likely by some very large astroid or comet comming through our galexy.
peace and love to you and yours …….gene
Hi Miia,
Errors in understanding occur when people try to
interpret spiritual truth to mean a physical meaning instead.
Errors derived from interpreting scripture this way very and are many._________________
God bless
Ed JGene yes I agree with you, haven’t looked into the gravitational pulls etc but I agree with the rest.
Ed, I believe Jesus was talking literally in chapter 24, prophesying what would soon happen to the disciples; then what would happen to the rest of the world leading up to his return, Gene has it right IMO. Though I believe that perhaps ‘the moon not giving it’s light’ etc, has to do with the falling away. Maybe.
To all, as an aside, the “sign of the son of man in the heavens”, and “all the earth mourning”, is the sun/ another planet; or the brightness of his coming; rising like the sun (every eye will see), destroying in an instant – or saving (“Anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day. Get it?” – Sarah Connor: The Terminator). There is no protection, except divine protection.
Here is a passage to consider.
Ezekiel 39New King James Version (NKJV)
39 “And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh,[a] Meshech, and Tubal; 2 and I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up from the far north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,” says the Lord God. 6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the Lord. 7 So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. 8 Surely it is coming, and it shall be done,” says the Lord God. “This is the day of which I have spoken.
9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years. 10 They will not take wood from the field nor cut down any from the forests, because they will make fires with the weapons; and they will plunder those who plundered them, and pillage those who pillaged them,” says the Lord God.
Gene,if there is a human person sitting in the “temple of God” whatever that may be,then I ask just who put him there? was it the devil? or maybe worse it was the RC church that did it? or maybe even Jehovah who put him there? If Jehovah/Yahweh did then why do you have such a problem with it? are you really as good as he is? do you really do the works Christ did? I think not and you falsely worship yourself and your own ideas as much as the bible,while you refuse to worship Christ.
Dear Gene,
If Jesus really is the way,the truth, and the life then maybe you should worship him,but if you are all that then just continue to worship yourself.
AndrewAD…. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I WORSHIP MYSELF? I WORSHIP NO MAN AND THAT INCLUDES MEYSELF WHY INSULT ME IS IT because i don’t buy what you say? GOD the FATHER IS WHO YOU AND ALL SHOULD BE WORSHIPING AND OBEYING, JUST AS JESUS DID. JESUS IS THE EXAMPLE OF HOW TO WORSHIP AND OBEY GOD. HE NEVER TOLD US IS TO WORSHIP HIM, BUT TOLD US IT IS GOD THAT WE SHOULD WORSHIP IN SPIRIT and TRUTH. Jesus never did anything on his OWN, did he not say so, “the son of man can do “nothing” of himself, but whatsoever he see the Father doing that he does. and again, “the son of man came not to do “his” will but the will of him who sent him. perhaps you yourself should follow JESUS doing the FATHERS WILL, NOT YOUR OUN so-called “freewill”. if you retained the words of Jesus, you would know these things. IMO
peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
I don’t believe the image of Jesus is “the man of sin”. That cannot be.
“Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him”, (Psalm 2.12).
So it doesn’t matter what image we create in our mind of Jesus, IMO. So long as we know him.I’ve always believed “the man of sin” to be two things:
1) Spiritual; to do with sin, Christians and people in general, and:
2) A false return of Christ, still future, and most of the world being deceived, (perhaps involving projected imagery as a way to bring order, and an end to WW3, most likely contrived through America or Israel).
Hi Everybody,
OK you guys have been talking about this for a while now. Gene is
basically right, but the wording in his presentation is a bit off. “I” hope
to add to Gene’s “FreeWill” efforts by tying more Scripture together for you.The problem is NOT trying to change Jesus’ identity away from ours (a flesh and blood human).
But instead the problem is perverting the Scripture away from what God and Jesus actually said:
and that is that Jesus is God’s Son, rather that “GOD”. There’s a different meaning to 2Thess. 2:3-4,
let’s not get to hung up on that verse. Trying to change Jesus from God’s Son to God is the problem,
so let’s get past the difficulties in Gene’s presentation, and instead try to understand the truth of God!(Romans 1:25) “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and
served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”This verse is indeed referring to Jesus as “the creature”; and in case you
do not believe this, “I” have proof – the proof is located in Jeremiah 2:27.(Jeremiah 2:27) “Saying to a stock, Thou art my father;”
and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have
turned their back unto me, and not their face” (Jer.2:27)“Stock” here is a reference to THE [†] “CROSS”, and
‘to a stone’ is a referring ‘to pond scum’, which
evolutionist’s claim is the creator of life.
I nailed it down for you brother!_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Everyone,
Let’s say I go up to a homeless person and hand them $20 (a twenty dollar bill),
they then blurt out: “Thank You God”. Now do think either the homeless person
or me thinks they are calling me “God”? No of course not! They instead see
God acting through me as the one who orchestrated their deliverance.I know that you understand the premise, so
now let’s give you the biblical embodiment of it.1.
“Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails,
and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust
my hand into his side, I will not believe.” (John 20:25)2.
“Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works’ sake.” (John 14:11)3.
“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” Jesus saith unto him, Thomas,
because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed (for the works’ sake ref. John 14:11):
blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” (John 20:28-29)3.
“To wit, that (MY GOD) God was in Christ (and my Lord), reconciling the world unto himself, not
imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us “The Word” of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)_______________
God bless
Ed JEDj……To me it is clear that to see Jesus as a GOD, and worship him as such, is IDOLATRY, and breakes the commandmets of God, “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME”, AND God the Father said clearly there is No God besides me, he said he know none other God but him alone.
Now if we start to put the pieces together. it all fits,
Who is the only human being that has been desplayed and worshiped as a God for the last 1700 years “IN THE CHURCH”. EVEN UNTO THIS VERY DAY?
IS IT NOT JESUS HIMSELF. AND DID THIS FALSE TEACHING come from the “MIST” of the CHURCH?
DOES JESUS SIT IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD NOW (rather a temple in heaven or the temple of human hearts in the church) it makes no difference,
IS IT NOT A “LIE” about Jesus himself, being a God, And being worshiped as such, that takes his place there?DOES THIS “LIE” not exist till, JESUS HIMSELF, OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH, at his return abolish or destory it?
THE PIECES ALL FIT.
NOW TO BE CLEAR, i am not saying that JESUS HIMSELF IS THIS MAN OF SIN, WHAT I AM SAYING THIS FALSE IMAGE OF HIM is a LIE about him, which creates an IMAGE OF A MAN OF SIN.
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Gene,
The whole world is not fooled by the Trinity. Islam is a dominate religion and its adherents do not hold that Jesus is God. The Catholic(i.e. Universal) religion of the future will be an inclusive religion so as to unite the kingdom of Baalzebub as much as possible. The Unitarian Universalist church would be a good candidate. It is a NGO that operates in association with the United Nations as do a number of other churches. I believe it and its sister religious organization appeal is limited at this time. They all are certainly a type of false prophet with the potential to become the False Prophet of Revelations. The leader of the UN may become a great force in the world.
Traditions dating to over 2000 years old speak of the worthless one who will lead the armies of evil versus the armies of God. Not all agree that there was such a lieutenant of the devil but Paul writes as if he believe it was so.
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