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Nick
Hi t,You have quoted many scriptures but shown few.
You are trapped in literal understandings.
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is that so;Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man
Lk 24:50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them.
Lk 24:51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven.JESUS Could NOT GO TO HEAVEN UNLESS HE CAME FROM IT .and that is exactly what he said and what his apostles were teaching sins the beginning and what has been written down
end of story ,for whoever ;1Jn 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.
1Jn 2:21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.why do they deny the son and the father ? because they deny the son for he said he came from above and they deny the father because they deny that the son was sent by the father just has the son told everyone ,so then make the son and the father liars ,
and also ;Ps 49:7 No man can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for him—
Ps 49:8 the ransom for a life is costly,
no payment is ever enough—
Ps 49:9 that he should live on forever
and not see decay.it says :”NO MAN” can save another it has to be someone that came from above to do it has a man but not a man born according to the will of man ,
TELL ME WHICH OF THOSE SCRIPTURES ARE LIES OR DON’T MEAN WHAT THEY SAY ?
Terricca….WHY DID YOU LEAVE OFF THE LAST PART OF John 3:13 ? Where it says “even the son of man which “IS” in heaven”, forcing text or leaving out some of the text to meet your views is not right Pierre.
What Nick has said on this is right brother. IMO JESUS WAS A ORDINARY HUMAN BEING WHO CAME INTO EXISTENCE AT HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH, he became the CHRISTO’ or Messiah , after he was baptized in the Jordan river. Jesus was a decedent of king David ,just as Paul said , he came from the loins of king David. Act2:30 and Act13:24-23. Jesus was a flesh and blood human being who came into his existence in the Flesh. HE was not morphed from another past existence INTO THE WOMB OF MARRY. Pierre.
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
if this is what prevent you to answer all the other scriptures ? I suggest you look into your faith if not answer my questions
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
Jn 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
Jn 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.Terricca….WHY DID YOU LEAVE OFF THE LAST PART OF John 3:13 ? Where it says “even the son of man which “IS” in heaven”, forcing text or leaving out some of the text to meet your views is not right Pierre.
I quoted the scriptures correctly why are you saying i did not ;if you do not understand some thing tell me I will tell you ,truth is all what I am after
terrarica and Gene,
I believe there are two versions of John 3:13.
Both versions claim Jesus has already ascended to heaven despite he had not chosen to sacrifice himself yet. This is only possible if Jesus is talking of his Spirit ascending to heaven as his body and soul is currently on earth. One claims he is currently in heave even as he speaks on earth.
Terrarica,
Yes, there are those Jews that rebelled all through history and so revealed they did not believe.
Never the less, there were also those that have been being loyal.
Many of the rebels mix what is true with what is false even as is done among the Christians to this day.
Terrarica,
I just have a different understanding of the Scriptures that you do. Some I understand more than others. I find it easier to discover what a passage is not saying than what it is.
Kerwin
if you understand a truth and that understanding does break any other scripture then it is a truth if it breaks a scriptures then what you understand is wrong ,
this is why the scriptures are the truth of God ,and it is with those truths that you clean your spirit up from all the devil believes put in you (us) by our parents /schools/ religion/and friends/and what not
so that at the return or before we die we can be pure and holy ,for God his holy (truth)
kerwin
I just have a different understanding of the Scriptures that you do. Some I understand more than others. I find it easier to discover what a passage is not saying than what it is.
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I told you many times but you seem resisting the truth ;for it is not what you understand but what scriptures says that has to be followed ,if you have a different understanding of the truth of God then what you really saying is that you do not agree with the word of God ,for there are no two truth only one
Terrarica,
God does not want his believers to be dumb beasts. Instead he wants them to seek understanding.
2 Peter 1:5-7Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Terrarica,
An understanding is not true if it breaks a correctly interpreted Scripture but I do not think my interpretation of John 1 breaks even your understanding of Scripture though it disagrees with it.
Your understanding breaks the passage that states Jesus is descendant of David, as for his body, as well as other passages.
Nick,
When we learn we make a choice, even when we are not aware of it. That choice can either be Spiritual or natural. In making that choice we reap what we sow.
Kerwin….Terricca, leaves off the other part of that scripture and treats it as if it doesn’t exist. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, and Jesus while on the earth was also in heaven in the bosom of the FATHER, buy the Fathers Spirit that was in him, he was connected directly to God that is what the words, “IS” IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER”, means. What Pierre dosen’t realize is that God the Father was actually “IN” THE MAN JESUS, via his SPIRIT, and spoke directly to us through his (JESUS’ mouth, THE CHRISTO’S OR ANOINTED SPIRIT HE HAD IN HIM. He doesn’t realize it was not Jesus who said ” destory this body and in three days I (GOD) shall raise it up”. He believes Jesus himself is the word of God, and was speaking his own words to us. He seem unable to seperate God the Fathers spirit, from the “man” Jesus. I COULD BE WRONG, but i think that is the way Pierre view this. He is definitely not alone nearly all Christendom views it that way.
peace and love to you and yours. ….gene
Hi!
I believe Jesus was the word, a god. (John 1:1) God’s very first creation. (Revelation 3:14)
His beloved Son.Hi DD,
Of course he was not an angel as Hebrews makes plain.
God is spirit and spirit is different to creation.
If God pours out His Spirit as in Joel 2 it does not mean that God loses His spirit.
Rather by sharing His Spirit He becomes one with the receiver.
So we cannot devise Spirit beings or persons as their relationship is complex.
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