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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,16:54) I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Excellent points!Stuart
O.k, I think I might just comment as I go along on the video.
I just got to the part where the guy was talking about familiar spirits, if you do your research in history, familiar spirits where known basically as being VENTRILOQUISTS. They were deceivers from the get go. They were never really speaking out as if a dead person had taken over their bodies and was speaking through them. The bible teaches that the soul that sins dies, it ceases to exist. That is why scripture also says that the dead know nothing, that those in the grave cannot praise God. There are NO dead people of which can communicate to other people through other people. YHWH says He alone exists with powers, so there are NO spirits out there that are pretending to be peoples dead relatives either. God says that He alone has the ability to look into the heart of man and know man.
When people don't have a scientific explanation for something they create all sorts of wild ideas, and superstitions. Many facts that we take for granted now, people way back when would have been amazed at knowing such information. Many things that seem simple to us now, way back when were the products of absolutely ridiculous superstitions. God controls knowledge, information and truth. My belief is that their is a scientific explanation for everything, however not all explanations have yet to be discovered at the will and intelligence of God.
The OT shows that the familiar spirits were human deceivers. There is no scriptural evidence that supports the idea that the person lying about channeling of the dead was really a rebel spirit in disguise.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2009,17:00) You laugh at the video yet you want them to go to a local book store and check out the latest books on human development, from infancy to adult so that their EYES will be opened! 
WJ
Yes, although the books will not say quite what she said they would, nevertheless it is progress to consider that the bible and the pastor are not the holders of all knowledge worth knowing.How could your attitude be called anything other than bigotry?
Stuart
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Excellent point!!!!I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Why am I not surprised by your premature judgment?!I understand about teenagers, my youngest will be my fifth one within ten years. They do stupid things like make snap judgements for a large part as well as using their words to tear down others. There is a big difference between the typical teens and those that make a blood pact with satan. You have come to your reasonings without the personal experience of joining the occult and also without the personal experience of being delivered from the occult. This guy in the video has claimed personal experience…there are many like him, btw, laugh if you will. I can understand your reaction because it definitely blows your “theories” clear out of the water. If he is right in what he believes, then you are terribly wrong. Maybe you should contact him and challenge him instead of those of us who have been protected from the demons. Maybe that would help.
At any rate, watch the whole thing and maybe you can hunt down his email and you two can have at it. Have you ever challenged someone that has said to have those kinds of experiences or do you just stick to those who can't speak from experience. I do believe that I would want to discuss my opinions with someone that claims he “was there” and now delivered for it, that would be a more productive strategy. IMO Maybe you have…
Kathi
Quote (Stu @ June 28 2009,01:37) Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2009,16:35) Quote (Stu @ June 22 2009,15:49) Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2009,03:54) Stuart,
Are you afraid to watch the video Stu? It is FREE to view you know…imagine all that info, a 2 1/2 hour video that he could be selling but he isn't. BTW, he does not want your money
It was not my money I was thinking of. In any case, 2 1/2 hours?? Who would serioualy suggest to anyone that they spend 345MB of bandwidth on this kind of bollocks?I will if you promise to watch it if you promise to watch the equivalent length of YouTube video of Christopher Hitchens ranting on the Fox network!
At least Hitchens is entertaining.
Stuart
Stuart,
You didn't say anything about me critiquing you Hitchens fella, you just said I needed to watch it. I may give you a critique though but it will be AFTER I have watched 2 1/2 hours worth. Grin and bear it Stu. You have some catching up to do…you are way, way behind!Enjoy!
LU
OK. Just give me the list of videos you have watched so far.Stuart
Ok Stu,
Here they are. I do not have the full title though:
Obama Supporter 4:42
Marijuana Legalization 1:21
We shouldn't Fear Death :37
Why women still aren't funny 4:58
Debate with Rev. Al Sharpten I watched the first hourLU
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2009,17:00) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Excellent point!!!!I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Hi JodiYou laugh at the video yet you want them to go to a local book store and check out the latest books on human development, from infancy to adult so that their EYES will be opened!
WJ
Hi WJ,It seems rather apparent to me that Irene is completely ignorant to HUMAN BEHAVIOR and how the human mind functions, learns and what CAUSES behavior, amongst other things.
reading a book on behavioral science can certainly open a person's mind IMO.
Do you disagree?
So in your wise opinion WJ, you would say that the text books I read in college teaching me how to understand children's behavior for the purpose of preparing me to teach primary school, is comparable to the knowledge a person can receive from watching a video on some ex satanist who now calls himself Christ's high priest? Really?
Jodi Lee those who tell others not to read particular books, and especially when those books are written by people who know professionally what they are talking about, do so through fear.
Stuart
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,02:07) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2009,17:00) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Excellent point!!!!I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Hi JodiYou laugh at the video yet you want them to go to a local book store and check out the latest books on human development, from infancy to adult so that their EYES will be opened!
WJ
Hi WJ,It seems rather apparent to me that Irene is completely ignorant to HUMAN BEHAVIOR and how the human mind functions, learns and what CAUSES behavior, amongst other things.
reading a book on behavioral science can certainly open a person's mind IMO.
Do you disagree?
So in your wise opinion WJ, you would say that the text books I read in college teaching me how to understand children's behavior for the purpose of preparing me to teach primary school, is comparable to the knowledge a person can receive from watching a video on some ex satanist who now calls himself Christ's high priest? Really?
Hi JodiI think it is a shame that you make patronizing and condescending statements to Kathi and Irene like…
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,02:07)
“Irene is completely ignorant to HUMAN BEHAVIOR and how the human mind functions, learns and what CAUSES behavior, amongst other things.
Does it make you fell more right or superior by calling someone “Completely ignorant”, unlearned maybe, but you should respect that maybe she is more knowledgable about human development than you think, being that she has been on this planet for a while.They simply believe what the scritptures say and do not have to have secular books to interpret scriptures for them, just like the Pastor in the video who also has experience with the scriptures. So yes I think that personal testimony and the scriptures are more reliable and believable than some secular books.
WJ
What secular books on human development 'interpret scripture'? The ones I've seen use real science, not religious fairy tales as their basis.
I what she writes here is anything to go by, I think Cindy / Irene is indeed ignorant about human nature, development and motivation. Where is the acknowledgement of changes from concrete to abstract thinking, and the complete rearrangement of the brain and temporary lack of judgement that can happen in the teen years?
There is plenty of criticism. Where is the compassion for the things we can't change? Of course christianity is miseable and anti-human and its followers must put their non-existent sky friends ahead of real, breathing, loving human beings.
Just another reason to reject it as brutal nonsense.
Stuart
Anyone who says that teenagers behave badly because of fallen angels is completely ignorant on the subject of what causes certain human behaviors.
I have the right to my opinion. Because I think I have more understanding on a certain topic that means that I think I am over all superior? That is not true. Am I stating such because I'm here to serve an ego, is that what you are implying?
Your funny, you get on my case for calling someone ignorant on a particular subject, all the while you accuse me of posting something for the purpose of making myself feel superior.
Jodi! If you have a right to your opinion, then except that we have the same right then you have. W.J. is right I have been around much longer then you have. You do not even respect the elders. You call me and Kathi names like ignorance. Look into the mirror, maybe you will, see better. Calling anybody what you and Gene have done is not Christian like.
But I should not expect anything better from you, since you do not believe in a literal Satan. God will let Satan test us if we qualify to be in His Kingdom, like He did Jesus.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Lightenup @ June 28 2009,17:56) Ok Stu,
Here they are. I do not have the full title though:
Obama Supporter 4:42
Marijuana Legalization 1:21
We shouldn't Fear Death :37
Why women still aren't funny 4:58
Debate with Rev. Al Sharpten I watched the first hourLU
Very impressive!Don't count the one with Al Sharpton as a whole hour of Hitchens, will you!
Are you finding great entertainment and new truths in your viewing?
Stuart
Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2009,04:34) Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 25 2009,06:14) Lightenup:The Truth that I have found is that devils,demons,satan, et.al. are just thought messages against the Truth of God. They are lies and deception and un-truth. These thoughts come to steal the word of Truth from your mind. One who overcomes the lies and deception against the Truth becomes ONE with/in the Truth. I would warn one thing, if a person focuses on thoughts, good or bad,they are empowering them and those thoughts become beliefs and eventually manifest in the life of the person accepting them. You have the mind of Christ, the annointing of God! What you ponder, concentrate and meditate on magnifies in your mind.Thats what is called paying attention. Your mind is very powerful. Even if you don't believe it. Positive energies attract positive and negative energies attract negative. You will create in your life whatever you believe. You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Fear is ultra destructive to the human body. Find and create love to give to humanity and reap what you sow. Peace to you, TK
Tim,
You are right that there is a battle between lies and truth.
I ask you did Jesus cast out demons or did He cast out lies?Matt 8:28-33
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.
31 The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.
33 The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs.
NASUSo, do you think that the men were believing lies and that is all that there was to their madness and strength? Can lies and deception be removed just by saying “Go” and then was it lies that the whole herd of swine believed and they were so disturbed that they rushed into the steep bank into the sea and drowned. Have you ever seen a whole herd of pigs kill themselves?
You say:
Quote You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Are you talking about my words here at the beginning of this thread:
Quote It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God! I have not suggested to anyone that they “fear” the schemes of satan but they should be “aware” of the schemes of satan.
Eph 6:11-12
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.2 Cor 2:10-11
10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
NASUI have not suggested that there is no hope or deliverance from satan's and demon's influence either. I have said that there IS hope and deliverance by the blood of Christ.
You are accusing me of something I have not done.
It is like this:
I am warning of a danger that is real and dangerous according to God's word and to be aware and avoid it.
You seem to be saying that there is no danger, no reason to be aware of it or avoid it.Did you watch the video?
We don't create love…we let it flow from God to others. Love warns of dangers and provides escape.
Love warns the pilot that they are about to crash into the mountain and they better go higher up to miss the mountain.
You say there is no mountain…it is all in your head, then splat…smoke and deadly silence!
According to the Bible there is a “mountain.” God provides an escape.Matt 8:16
16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.Matt 9:33
33 After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”Matt 10:7-8
7 “And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.Matt 12:28
28 “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.Mark 1:34
34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.Mark 3:14-15
14 And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,
15 and to have authority to cast out the demons.Mark 16:9
9 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.Mark 16:17
17 “These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;There are many testimonies of demons with evil powers deceiving the minds of the unaware on the web, I really doubt that all of them are giving false testimony. Many claim they are born again and exalt and praise God for His deliverance through Jesus.
If satan and demons are real evil spiritual beings then one of their schemes is to make you believe there is no “mountain.”
Love informs of real dangers,
Kathi
Greetings Lightenup:Wow, lot of questions. Thank you. As you well know this is all my opinion I believe based on the Truth of Jesus.
The Bible seems to tell us a a great battle that we are each in to come the Truth of God. John 4:24 says God is spirit. Jesus said his words were spirit. The word Spirit is pneuma or air. Air is everywhere. You can't make air or create it. Energy is omnipresent, everywhere. Energy is eternal, it has no beginning and it cannot be destroyed. You cannot create it.There is conscious energy I don't know if anything is non-conscious energy. So, safe to say, air and energy make up all existence. This all-inclusive force or creative conscious energy is what I believe to be God.God is the conscious creator of man. God made man in his image (imagination) and so created
physicality or mattter. Mankind is physical matter with the life force of God the creator in his mind. Man contemplates and creates thoughts in his mind to play. Once thoughts are grouped and energized by his powerful mind they remain in the ether forever. I gotta cut short here,since man began to believe evil and create evil thoughts they are against the True thoughts of life. Truth will never change. The anti-truth thoughts will need to be restructured to align with the truth for peace and love and the fruit of the Truth to again dominate. These thoughts that do not align with the mind of Christ are anti-christ thoughts. Since they are not the Truth they are lies and deceptions and un-truth. Anything that is not in agreement with the Truth must be changed back to the Truth. Jesus took away all evil, lies, un-truth, deception etc.! He did away with sin. If we belive this Truth individually we will eventually change the world back to God/Men!
I believe if they have no power and I have no fear they need no attention .
Please know this, if I wrote anything that you feel attacked you in any way please forgive me I sure did not intend it. Bless you I gotta go. TKQuote (Stu @ June 22 2009,06:36) Quote (Cindy @ June 21 2009,20:24) kejonn That has nothing to do with superstition. I did not listen to it, I have no intrest in it. You have no idea what you are saying what I experienced then. I hope for your saje you never will. Did you come out of the Cathlic Church? If not you have nothing to say to me, cause I will not even read on. I do not even want to debate with someone who does not beklieve in my Savior Jesus Christ.
Good-bye kejonn
So you just don't want to know if there are any other explanations for what you experience, you just have to make everything a god experience.When you blow your nose do you get rid of demons or do you remove god's gift of mucous that helps you fight microbes?
How can you learn the difference if you won't listen to possibilities?
Stuart
You are to funny. Love your explantion, I do blow my nose at times, but no demons in me. Those times are over for me, and I am glad they are. One day you will have to see too.
Unless you want to die again. Stu I don't have to listen to any other explantion. I live for our Savior Jesus Christ now, no more going into the Catholic Church.Quote (Cindy @ June 28 2009,20:28) Jodi! If you have a right to your opinion, then except that we have the same right then you have. W.J. is right I have been around much longer then you have. You do not even respect the elders. You call me and Kathi names like ignorance. Look into the mirror, maybe you will, see better. Calling anybody what you and Gene have done is not Christian like.
But I should not expect anything better from you, since you do not believe in a literal Satan. God will let Satan test us if we qualify to be in His Kingdom, like He did Jesus.
Peace and Love Irene
Irene you make me laugh!
When Jesus called people vipers was he not being Christian like? How about when he got mad and turned over the tables in the temple? Was that Christian like?
This comment here Irene, “But I should not expect anything better from you, since you do not believe in a literal Satan.”
is very funny, but yet sad at the same time. Are you boasting that because you believe in a literal Satan that makes you a better person? For a person to reflect the workings of God's Spirit they have to be able to admit that Satan is a fallen angel?
Romans 2:11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
I know a lot of atheists that have more integrity and reflect YHWH's character more then many Christians I know. How is that possible Irene, you ask? Because God's Spirit and His work can be found all over the world. YHWH does not use the bible solely to instruct human beings and teach them things. How else do you think that people who don't have the law can still follow it?
The way that YHWH is reflected by popular Christian beliefs is IMO despicable, and I don't blame anyone for not wanting to believe anything that a Christian has to say, because for the most part everything that the mainstream Christian churches teach IMO is false. Luckily YHWH, has over the more recent years, increased peoples common sense, through exposing superstitions by the light of scientific discoveries, and therefore people are no longer gullible to believe such nonsense as fallen angels. They have a right mind to reject the Christian God of popular belief of which I myself despise.
All this makes me think of and consider the following as a possibility,
When Jesus Christ returns as man, not a god, or a pre-existent spirit son, but a human being, and grafts the Jews back in and then makes them a force to conquer the world and establish God's Kingdom, the mainstream Christian world will think he is the antichrist, and the atheists will be in an advantage. They wont buy into Jesus being the antichrist, and it could be likely that the atheists are persecuted by the churches for not taking up arms with them to try and defeat Jesus.
Christians treat the bible like the Pharisees treated the law. They use it to condemn and judge people. They use it to make YHWH appear to be an unintelligent unmerciful God. Thinking that a book is YHWH's ONLY means to bringing people into knowledge and truth, and salvation, that if a person does not believe according to their interpretation before they die they are eternally condemned, is ridiculous and horrible. IMO these Christians promote a heart of wickedness.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 28 2009,10:38) Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2009,04:34) Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 25 2009,06:14) Lightenup:The Truth that I have found is that devils,demons,satan, et.al. are just thought messages against the Truth of God. They are lies and deception and un-truth. These thoughts come to steal the word of Truth from your mind. One who overcomes the lies and deception against the Truth becomes ONE with/in the Truth. I would warn one thing, if a person focuses on thoughts, good or bad,they are empowering them and those thoughts become beliefs and eventually manifest in the life of the person accepting them. You have the mind of Christ, the annointing of God! What you ponder, concentrate and meditate on magnifies in your mind.Thats what is called paying attention. Your mind is very powerful. Even if you don't believe it. Positive energies attract positive and negative energies attract negative. You will create in your life whatever you believe. You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Fear is ultra destructive to the human body. Find and create love to give to humanity and reap what you sow. Peace to you, TK
Tim,
You are right that there is a battle between lies and truth.
I ask you did Jesus cast out demons or did He cast out lies?Matt 8:28-33
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.
31 The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.
33 The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs.
NASUSo, do you think that the men were believing lies and that is all that there was to their madness and strength? Can lies and deception be removed just by saying “Go” and then was it lies that the whole herd of swine believed and they were so disturbed that they rushed into the steep bank into the sea and drowned. Have you ever seen a whole herd of pigs kill themselves?
You say:
Quote You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Are you talking about my words here at the beginning of this thread:
Quote It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God! I have not suggested to anyone that they “fear” the schemes of satan but they should be “aware” of the schemes of satan.
Eph 6:11-12
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.2 Cor 2:10-11
10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
NASUI have not suggested that there is no hope or deliverance from satan's and demon's influence either. I have said that there IS hope and deliverance by the blood of Christ.
You are accusing me of something I have not done.
It is like this:
I am warning of a danger that is real and dangerous according to God's word and to be aware and avoid it.
You seem to be saying that there is no danger, no reason to be aware of it or avoid it.Did you watch the video?
We don't create love…we let it flow from God to others. Love warns of dangers and provides escape.
Love warns the pilot that they are about to crash into the mountain and they better go higher up to miss the mountain.
You say there is no mountain…it is all in your head, then splat…smoke and deadly silence!
According to the Bible there is a “mountain.” God provides an escape.Matt 8:16
16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.Matt 9:33
33 After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”Matt 10:7-8
7 “And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.Matt 12:28
28 “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.Mark 1:34
34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.Mark 3:14-15
14 And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,
15 and to have authority to cast out the demons.Mark 16:9
9 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.Mark 16:17
17 “These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;There are many testimonies of demons with evil powers deceiving the minds of the unaware on the web, I really doubt that all of them are giving false testimony. Many claim they are born again and exalt and praise God for His deliverance through Jesus.
If satan and demons are real evil spiritual beings then one of their schemes is to make you believe there is no “mountain.”
Love informs of real dangers,
Kathi
Greetings Lightenup:Wow, lot of questions. Thank you. As you well know this is all my opinion I believe based on the Truth of Jesus.
The Bible seems to tell us a a great battle that we are each in to come the Truth of God. John 4:24 says God is spirit. Jesus said his words were spirit. The word Spirit is pneuma or air. Air is everywhere. You can't make air or create it. Energy is omnipresent, everywhere. Energy is eternal, it has no beginning and it cannot be destroyed. You cannot create it.There is conscious energy I don't know if anything is non-conscious energy. So, safe to say, air and energy ma
ke up all existence. This all-inclusive force or creative conscious energy is what I believe to be God.God is the conscious creator of man. God made man in his image (imagination) and so created physicality or mattter. Mankind is physical matter with the life force of God the creator in his mind. Man contemplates and creates thoughts in his mind to play. Once thoughts are grouped and energized by his powerful mind they remain in the ether forever. I gotta cut short here,since man began to believe evil and create evil thoughts they are against the True thoughts of life. Truth will never change. The anti-truth thoughts will need to be restructured to align with the truth for peace and love and the fruit of the Truth to again dominate. These thoughts that do not align with the mind of Christ are anti-christ thoughts. Since they are not the Truth they are lies and deceptions and un-truth. Anything that is not in agreement with the Truth must be changed back to the Truth. Jesus took away all evil, lies, un-truth, deception etc.! He did away with sin. If we belive this Truth individually we will eventually change the world back to God/Men!
I believe if they have no power and I have no fear they need no attention .
Please know this, if I wrote anything that you feel attacked you in any way please forgive me I sure did not intend it. Bless you I gotta go. TK
Hi Tim,
Hey, I looked up some words in Strong's Concordance for spirit, air, and wind. I have found 4 different Greek words for them so far. pneuma #4151, ouranos #3772, anemos #417, aer #109. From what I can tell, pneuma is consistent with that spirit that is within. It is not the same as the air that we breathe, IMO.The whole idea of energy, air waves, sound waves, and light waves is truly beyond my understanding. When satan is called the prince of the power of the air, I believe that refers to the spirit of err which we all begin with. It is by God's grace that our spirit can become reborn and become a spirit of truth.
1 John 4:4-6
4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.
5 They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them.
6 We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
NASUEph 2:1-7
2 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
NASUIn any case, I would like to hear your answers to my previous post. Thanks,
LUQuote (Lightenup @ June 28 2009,17:47) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Excellent point!!!!I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Why am I not surprised by your premature judgment?!I understand about teenagers, my youngest will be my fifth one within ten years. They do stupid things like make snap judgements for a large part as well as using their words to tear down others. There is a big difference between the typical teens and those that make a blood pact with satan. You have come to your reasonings without the personal experience of joining the occult and also without the personal experience of being delivered from the occult. This guy in the video has claimed personal experience…there are many like him, btw, laugh if you will. I can understand your reaction because it definitely blows your “theories” clear out of the water. If he is right in what he believes, then you are terribly wrong. Maybe you should contact him and challenge him instead of those of us who have been protected from the demons. Maybe that would help.
At any rate, watch the whole thing and maybe you can hunt down his email and you two can have at it. Have you ever challenged someone that has said to have those kinds of experiences or do you just stick to those who can't speak from experience. I do believe that I would want to discuss my opinions with someone that claims he “was there” and now delivered for it, that would be a more productive strategy. IMO Maybe you have…
Kathi
Hi LU, I have every intention of finishing watching the video, and for your information I spent an entire month with someone in a cannery up in Alaska who had just recently came out of a Satan cult in Seattle, and had been studying the bible. I worked next to this guy, ate my meals with this guy and hung out with this guy when we were not working. Needless to say I had lengthly conversations with him about his previous experiences with the cult. This guy, was actually the priest of his Satanic church of where he said he had many youth followers. He himself was very young in his early twenties at the time. He told me some very interesting stories.As well I have watched a few long documentaries on people who were Satan worshipers. These shows followed the Satanists around to show their daily lives and personal interviews were given as well where they shared their experiences and beliefs.
What I find rather ironic, if that's the correct word, is that Satan worshipers are believing a LIE of which the CHURCH established. They are worshiping a FALSE person of whom YOU teach exists. The church created a false god of whom people, for the sake of rebelling against authority, now praise and worship. YHWH ALONE exists with powers, but you LU have given His powers over to a creature making that creature like a god.
I got of the phone earlier today with my girlfriend who works for the Juvenile correction facility of where I volunteer at. She needed to vent at the system she works at and needed a listening ear. She had a hard day yesterday and went into the home of one of the teenage girls she has been helping to council. She said it was just absolutely horrible, the conditions this girl lived in and the state of mind the mom of this girl was in was terrible. No doubt a crack whore. My girlfriend recently took a course on counciling teenagers and gave me the text book to study.
I say this with conviction…..how dam worthless would that textbook be for learning how to council teens if it's advice contained telling those teens that what they need to do is find God and deny invisible demons who want to possess their minds and cause them to do bad things. Thank YHWH that the book has REAL solutions addressing what the REAL problem is.
LU, you and Irene live in the dark and your teachings bear NO fruit, they actually hinder growth and progress in peoples lives IMO. I was telling my girlfriend about the likes of you and what you teach and she just said that is exactly why people today don't want to be Christians, for Christians she said just seem to lack common sense and they are separated it seems from reality.
It is a life long goal of mine to expose the lies I believe you follow LU.
Hi Jodi,
Who gave you the role of attempting to disprove what is written?
It sounds like a frustrating burden.Quote (Stu @ June 22 2009,06:36) Quote (Cindy @ June 21 2009,20:24) kejonn That has nothing to do with superstition. I did not listen to it, I have no intrest in it. You have no idea what you are saying what I experienced then. I hope for your saje you never will. Did you come out of the Cathlic Church? If not you have nothing to say to me, cause I will not even read on. I do not even want to debate with someone who does not beklieve in my Savior Jesus Christ.
Good-bye kejonn
So you just don't want to know if there are any other explanations for what you experience, you just have to make everything a god experience.When you blow your nose do you get rid of demons or do you remove god's gift of mucous that helps you fight microbes?
How can you learn the difference if you won't listen to possibilities?
Stuart
jodi lee likes this!Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Hey I think we should make a correction, I believe it was said that he was a high priest in his Satanic religion, not in his so called born again Christian faith was it said that he was a high priest.Anyway, they guy in my opinion is a creep. I've painfully listened to the first 30 minutes and then have skipped around a bit. A few glasses of wine while enjoying the sun made it bearable!
He is a false teacher if I've ever seen one.
After listening to him speak about scripture, I have no idea how anyone could then listen to his personal story and believe it to be true. WOW, people and their gullibility, never ceases to amaze me.
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