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Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2009,04:50) Quote (thethinker @ June 23 2009,12:36) Quote (Lightenup @ June 22 2009,14:25) Quote (thethinker @ June 21 2009,19:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Thinker,
You so missed the big picture. The person speaking is a former high satanist priest. Did you even listen to it? Give it a chance.Don't you think that if you were once a satanist and a high priest in that as well and then came to know the true GOD and His Son and was born again…well don't you think that you would have some insights that the rest of us do not?
Kathi,
My mistake on the high priest thing. But it's still a hoax. Satan and all his messengers were cast into the lake of fire in AD70. Satan is not alive and well today. What you call “satanism” is actually a work of the flesh.thinker
Thinker,
Are you afraid of watching the video too? There are many other videos like it that have testimony and would disagree with you. Watch the video and then tell me what you think.Kathi
Kathi,
My presupposition is scripture alone. They say that the devil has been destroyed.thinker
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 25 2009,06:14) Lightenup:The Truth that I have found is that devils,demons,satan, et.al. are just thought messages against the Truth of God. They are lies and deception and un-truth. These thoughts come to steal the word of Truth from your mind. One who overcomes the lies and deception against the Truth becomes ONE with/in the Truth. I would warn one thing, if a person focuses on thoughts, good or bad,they are empowering them and those thoughts become beliefs and eventually manifest in the life of the person accepting them. You have the mind of Christ, the annointing of God! What you ponder, concentrate and meditate on magnifies in your mind.Thats what is called paying attention. Your mind is very powerful. Even if you don't believe it. Positive energies attract positive and negative energies attract negative. You will create in your life whatever you believe. You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Fear is ultra destructive to the human body. Find and create love to give to humanity and reap what you sow. Peace to you, TK
Tim,
You are right that there is a battle between lies and truth.
I ask you did Jesus cast out demons or did He cast out lies?Matt 8:28-33
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.
31 The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.
33 The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs.
NASUSo, do you think that the men were believing lies and that is all that there was to their madness and strength? Can lies and deception be removed just by saying “Go” and then was it lies that the whole herd of swine believed and they were so disturbed that they rushed into the steep bank into the sea and drowned. Have you ever seen a whole herd of pigs kill themselves?
You say:
Quote You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Are you talking about my words here at the beginning of this thread:
Quote It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God! I have not suggested to anyone that they “fear” the schemes of satan but they should be “aware” of the schemes of satan.
Eph 6:11-12
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.2 Cor 2:10-11
10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
NASUI have not suggested that there is no hope or deliverance from satan's and demon's influence either. I have said that there IS hope and deliverance by the blood of Christ.
You are accusing me of something I have not done.
It is like this:
I am warning of a danger that is real and dangerous according to God's word and to be aware and avoid it.
You seem to be saying that there is no danger, no reason to be aware of it or avoid it.Did you watch the video?
We don't create love…we let it flow from God to others. Love warns of dangers and provides escape.
Love warns the pilot that they are about to crash into the mountain and they better go higher up to miss the mountain.
You say there is no mountain…it is all in your head, then splat…smoke and deadly silence!
According to the Bible there is a “mountain.” God provides an escape.Matt 8:16
16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.Matt 9:33
33 After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”Matt 10:7-8
7 “And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.Matt 12:28
28 “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.Mark 1:34
34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.Mark 3:14-15
14 And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,
15 and to have authority to cast out the demons.Mark 16:9
9 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.Mark 16:17
17 “These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;There are many testimonies of demons with evil powers deceiving the minds of the unaware on the web, I really doubt that all of them are giving false testimony. Many claim they are born again and exalt and praise God for His deliverance through Jesus.
If satan and demons are real evil spiritual beings then one of their schemes is to make you believe there is no “mountain.”
Love informs of real dangers,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ June 26 2009,03:20) Thinker,
How does the flesh levitate itself off the ground?
Kathi
It uses its legs.How is that review of your 10:58 with Hitchens coming along?
Stuart
Hey Stu: That is correct! God is spirit/energy. Groupings of like vibrating energy create thoughts. Thoughts that are pondered and meditated within the human mind attract like vibrating energies and become more powerful and create perceptions of a truth. Next comes beliefs which build the basis of an individual. We are what we have chosen to believe! Thanks Stu, TK
Quote (thethinker @ June 26 2009,02:23) Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2009,04:50) Quote (thethinker @ June 23 2009,12:36) Quote (Lightenup @ June 22 2009,14:25) Quote (thethinker @ June 21 2009,19:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Thinker,
You so missed the big picture. The person speaking is a former high satanist priest. Did you even listen to it? Give it a chance.Don't you think that if you were once a satanist and a high priest in that as well and then came to know the true GOD and His Son and was born again…well don't you think that you would have some insights that the rest of us do not?
Kathi,
My mistake on the high priest thing. But it's still a hoax. Satan and all his messengers were cast into the lake of fire in AD70. Satan is not alive and well today. What you call “satanism” is actually a work of the flesh.thinker
Thinker,
Are you afraid of watching the video too? There are many other videos like it that have testimony and would disagree with you. Watch the video and then tell me what you think.Kathi
Kathi,
My presupposition is scripture alone. They say that the devil has been destroyed.thinker
thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love IreneQuote (Tim Kraft @ June 27 2009,22:37) Hey Stu: That is correct! God is spirit/energy. Groupings of like vibrating energy create thoughts. Thoughts that are pondered and meditated within the human mind attract like vibrating energies and become more powerful and create perceptions of a truth. Next comes beliefs which build the basis of an individual. We are what we have chosen to believe! Thanks Stu, TK
Are you quoting me saying that 'god is spirit/energy'? If so I would like you to show me the exact post.I do not subscribe to your new age / Urantia book / people from the third vibration philosophy.
Stuart
Quote (Cindy @ June 28 2009,07:28) thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love Irene
Your god created everything, apparently. You would have to clearly show that the behaviours of teenagers and people living in California were contrary to 'his' plan for you to have any credibility.Do you know the motives and ways of your god? Do you know HOW 'he' intends to achieve what he wants and WHY he wants it?
If you don't then how about you keep your miserable opinions about other people to yourself until you do!
Stuart
Lightenup
If I have worked out this embed business, then here is 7:26 worth for you to catch up with my 10:58:
If I haven't worked out the embed thing, then here is the URL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMNq1tETKvY
Let me know what you think!
Stuart
Hey Cindy, the Hitchens video was recorded at a godless event in Las Vegas! Maybe you are right after all!
Stuart
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 27 2009,06:37) Hey Stu: That is correct! God is spirit/energy. Groupings of like vibrating energy create thoughts. Thoughts that are pondered and meditated within the human mind attract like vibrating energies and become more powerful and create perceptions of a truth. Next comes beliefs which build the basis of an individual. We are what we have chosen to believe! Thanks Stu, TK
Hi TKSo you believe an atheist over a believer?
WJ
Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2009,12:34) Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 25 2009,06:14) Lightenup:The Truth that I have found is that devils,demons,satan, et.al. are just thought messages against the Truth of God. They are lies and deception and un-truth. These thoughts come to steal the word of Truth from your mind. One who overcomes the lies and deception against the Truth becomes ONE with/in the Truth. I would warn one thing, if a person focuses on thoughts, good or bad,they are empowering them and those thoughts become beliefs and eventually manifest in the life of the person accepting them. You have the mind of Christ, the annointing of God! What you ponder, concentrate and meditate on magnifies in your mind.Thats what is called paying attention. Your mind is very powerful. Even if you don't believe it. Positive energies attract positive and negative energies attract negative. You will create in your life whatever you believe. You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Fear is ultra destructive to the human body. Find and create love to give to humanity and reap what you sow. Peace to you, TK
Tim,
You are right that there is a battle between lies and truth.
I ask you did Jesus cast out demons or did He cast out lies?Matt 8:28-33
28 When He came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, two men who were demon-possessed met Him as they were coming out of the tombs. They were so extremely violent that no one could pass by that way.
29 And they cried out, saying, “What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
30 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.
31 The demons began to entreat Him, saying, “If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine.”
32 And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters.
33 The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs.
NASUSo, do you think that the men were believing lies and that is all that there was to their madness and strength? Can lies and deception be removed just by saying “Go” and then was it lies that the whole herd of swine believed and they were so disturbed that they rushed into the steep bank into the sea and drowned. Have you ever seen a whole herd of pigs kill themselves?
You say:
Quote You are empowering lies and deceptions to a level of powerful fear within the mind with this false information. Are you talking about my words here at the beginning of this thread:
Quote It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God! I have not suggested to anyone that they “fear” the schemes of satan but they should be “aware” of the schemes of satan.
Eph 6:11-12
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.2 Cor 2:10-11
10 But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
NASUI have not suggested that there is no hope or deliverance from satan's and demon's influence either. I have said that there IS hope and deliverance by the blood of Christ.
You are accusing me of something I have not done.
It is like this:
I am warning of a danger that is real and dangerous according to God's word and to be aware and avoid it.
You seem to be saying that there is no danger, no reason to be aware of it or avoid it.Did you watch the video?
We don't create love…we let it flow from God to others. Love warns of dangers and provides escape.
Love warns the pilot that they are about to crash into the mountain and they better go higher up to miss the mountain.
You say there is no mountain…it is all in your head, then splat…smoke and deadly silence!
According to the Bible there is a “mountain.” God provides an escape.Matt 8:16
16 When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill.Matt 9:33
33 After the demon was cast out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.”Matt 10:7-8
7 “And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
8 “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.Matt 12:28
28 “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.Mark 1:34
34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was.Mark 3:14-15
14 And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,
15 and to have authority to cast out the demons.Mark 16:9
9 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.Mark 16:17
17 “These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;There are many testimonies of demons with evil powers deceiving the minds of the unaware on the web, I really doubt that all of them are giving false testimony. Many claim they are born again and exalt and praise God for His deliverance through Jesus.
If satan and demons are real evil spiritual beings then one of their schemes is to make you believe there is no “mountain.”
Love informs of real dangers,
Kathi
Hi KathiYou make some really good points!
Blessings WJ
Hi Stu,
I'm now at 1:10:58. I'll comment when I've drudged through my end of the bargain. Back to you
LU
Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2009,13:02) Hi Stu,
I'm now at 1:10:58. I'll comment when I've drudged through my end of the bargain. Back to youLU
Sorry no deal. I'm keen to hear what you think NOW!Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2009,12:47) Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 27 2009,06:37) Hey Stu: That is correct! God is spirit/energy. Groupings of like vibrating energy create thoughts. Thoughts that are pondered and meditated within the human mind attract like vibrating energies and become more powerful and create perceptions of a truth. Next comes beliefs which build the basis of an individual. We are what we have chosen to believe! Thanks Stu, TK
Hi TKSo you believe an atheist over a believer?
WJ
You just hit reply then and typed, didn't you. You did not actually consider context.Stuart
Quote (Cindy @ June 28 2009,07:28) Quote (thethinker @ June 26 2009,02:23) Quote (Lightenup @ June 24 2009,04:50) Quote (thethinker @ June 23 2009,12:36) Quote (Lightenup @ June 22 2009,14:25) Quote (thethinker @ June 21 2009,19:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Thinker,
You so missed the big picture. The person speaking is a former high satanist priest. Did you even listen to it? Give it a chance.Don't you think that if you were once a satanist and a high priest in that as well and then came to know the true GOD and His Son and was born again…well don't you think that you would have some insights that the rest of us do not?
Kathi,
My mistake on the high priest thing. But it's still a hoax. Satan and all his messengers were cast into the lake of fire in AD70. Satan is not alive and well today. What you call “satanism” is actually a work of the flesh.thinker
Thinker,
Are you afraid of watching the video too? There are many other videos like it that have testimony and would disagree with you. Watch the video and then tell me what you think.Kathi
Kathi,
My presupposition is scripture alone. They say that the devil has been destroyed.thinker
thinker Wishful thinking that Satan has been destroyed. No such luck yet. Show us that Scripture. One day he will, but that day is not here yet.
If that would be so, first of all were is He. The lake of fire will one day destroy him and along with him all ungodly man, and Anti-Christ. Look in Hollywood and Las Vegas. Even in our back yard, look at some of the teenagers how they behave, is that Godly? When Satan is finally destroyed, there will be none of that present here. No more sorrow and no more tears, no more sickness. I will be so glad, my Friend when that is done, and I am looking so forward to that.
Peace and love Irene
Hello Irene,Sin is caused when man wrongfully fulfills his internal desires. We are all born with desires, and there is a proper way to fulfill those that reflects YHWH's character. All too often man fulfills his own desires with a lack of self control, all the while hurting or oppressing others in the process, as well as having a lack of self integrity.
Man, like all other creatures on earth, have natural desires of which are necessary for their survival. We also have desires that God gave us for pleasure.
Without God's knowledge and our intelligence with it's capability to learn, we would be no different then the animals. When man sins, more often then not, he reflects animal like behavior.
Teenagers do NOT sin because they are being influenced by some invisible monsters hiding under their bed, wanting them to turn and follow them in their dark kingdom. Teenagers are going through HORMONAL changes in their body that drastically affects their thinking, their reasoning, and thus their behavior. If they have not been PROPERLY TAUGHT by that age how to control their emotions, passions and desires they will no doubt become very rebellious.
Sin City, “what happens here, stays here,” is the PERFECT example of how man's own imagination can be used to fulfill his own desires leading him into sinful behavior. People in Vegas act like stupid teenagers, who never grew out of their immature and indulgent ways. Our American culture is not evil because it is being run by invisible fallen angels. Our American culture with it's reality television crap, amongst all other things, is an expression of man being unrefined, being like an ignorant beast feeding off it's natural instincts and using it's God given imagination to serve those instincts improperly.
Irene, I have such a hard time believing that you think teenagers are being manipulated by fallen angels. To me it is such ignorance on your part. I have a 13 year old niece, don't get me wrong she is a wonderful girl, but on the other hand like all teenagers she is stupid and ignorant in sooo many ways. Young people are so hungry to have an identity they will follow the first ridiculous thing that comes along. A desire to want to be someone special and unique and feel you have purpose comes naturally, but when you combine that desire with ignorance and inexperience you get foolish behavior, you get experimentation and you often get of course sinful behavior.
My understanding of sin is that YHWH as our Designer and Creator knows the best way for us to function to bring us happiness and fulfillment, therefore it is He alone that has the answers to how we should properly reach the fulfillment of our desires. Man however as an individual being able to think for himself, has the mental capacity through his imagination to think up his own ways to fulfill those desires, and it is there that the root of sin lies. All people I believe have a passion or desire for achievement, purpose, and greatness, however ignorance can turn that passion into superficial ideas, or premature ideas of oneself, thus causing an ego, and that ego can then fuel not only distortion and lies but also dysfunctional behavior.
Irene I have a suggestion for you and I really hope that you will consider it. Go to your local book store and check out the latest books on human development, from infancy to adult. I think your EYES will be opened, and it just might tear down your superstitious beliefs about invisible beings influencing us to miss the righteous mark.
Blessings to you and Georg, Jodi
Quote (Stu @ June 22 2009,15:49) Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2009,03:54) Stuart,
Are you afraid to watch the video Stu? It is FREE to view you know…imagine all that info, a 2 1/2 hour video that he could be selling but he isn't. BTW, he does not want your money
It was not my money I was thinking of. In any case, 2 1/2 hours?? Who would serioualy suggest to anyone that they spend 345MB of bandwidth on this kind of bollocks?I will if you promise to watch it if you promise to watch the equivalent length of YouTube video of Christopher Hitchens ranting on the Fox network!
At least Hitchens is entertaining.
Stuart
Stuart,
You didn't say anything about me critiquing you Hitchens fella, you just said I needed to watch it. I may give you a critique though but it will be AFTER I have watched 2 1/2 hours worth. Grin and bear it Stu. You have some catching up to do…you are way, way behind!Enjoy!
LUQuote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Excellent point!!!!I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 28 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ June 22 2009,11:03) Quote (Lightenup @ June 20 2009,09:26) Here is a long message given from a former high priest satanist who is now a born again believer. It is good to be aware of the schemes of satan. It is worth watching through to the end. There is hope and deliverance in the blood of Jesus…praise God!
Who would take the word of anyone who calls himself a “high priest?” We have only one High priest which is Jesus Christ.thinker
Excellent point!!!!I have so far watched a few minutes of the video and played it back for my husband to watch and we were both laughing out loud. Laughing on the outside that is but honestly kinda rather sick to my stomach on the inside, wondering how anyone in their right mind would honestly consider anything this person has to say. No offense LU, though now I see you and Irene in a different light…. the ignorance was always there but now I see extreme unfortunate gullibility on the part of both of you. CRAP, I guess I should watch more before I judge.
Hi JodiYou laugh at the video yet you want them to go to a local book store and check out the latest books on human development, from infancy to adult so that their EYES will be opened!
WJ
Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2009,16:35) Quote (Stu @ June 22 2009,15:49) Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2009,03:54) Stuart,
Are you afraid to watch the video Stu? It is FREE to view you know…imagine all that info, a 2 1/2 hour video that he could be selling but he isn't. BTW, he does not want your money
It was not my money I was thinking of. In any case, 2 1/2 hours?? Who would serioualy suggest to anyone that they spend 345MB of bandwidth on this kind of bollocks?I will if you promise to watch it if you promise to watch the equivalent length of YouTube video of Christopher Hitchens ranting on the Fox network!
At least Hitchens is entertaining.
Stuart
Stuart,
You didn't say anything about me critiquing you Hitchens fella, you just said I needed to watch it. I may give you a critique though but it will be AFTER I have watched 2 1/2 hours worth. Grin and bear it Stu. You have some catching up to do…you are way, way behind!Enjoy!
LU
OK. Just give me the list of videos you have watched so far.Stuart
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