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Well I don't believe that the words “satan” and “lake of fire” are anything more than dull concepts for deluded people.
Stuart
They are value judgments. Evil is a religious term that, like 'salvation' and 'repentance', has no useful meaning.
Stuart
Yes of course bad things happen, every day many people suffer great misfortunes like being converted to christianity.
Would you call that bad thing 'evil'?
Stuart
sometimes bbad things seem to be evil, then they just happen but when we look at it it comes to my mind thet there are people who dont care
You would have to tell me the difference, using your special magical christian powers, as to what bad you define as evil and what is not.
Stuart
Jesus has returned? Have we all seen Him coming on the clouds? Satan is not cast into the lake of fire until the end times. Rev.20;7 and when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loose out of prison,(8)ans shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, gog and Ma'-gog, to gather them together to battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea(10)and the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and false prophets are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever!(14) and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. and whosoever was not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.! Thats why we have to accept Jesus as our Saviour in this life. we do not get a second chance. if your names not in the book of life, than the dead is cast into the lake of fire. that is your second death.
Stu!!- you better read Revelation!
THINKER—Rev.1 ;7 Behold he cometh with the clouds;AND EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, AND THEY ASLO THAT PIERCED HIM, AND ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH SHALL WAIL BECAUSE OF HIM. EVEN SO, AMEN
Quote (katjo @ Sep. 15 2009,03:14) THINKER—Rev.1 ;7 Behold he cometh with the clouds;AND EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, AND THEY ASLO THAT PIERCED HIM, AND ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH SHALL WAIL BECAUSE OF HIM. EVEN SO, AMEN
They did see Him.thinker
THEY SAW HIM WHEN HE CAME TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR OUR SINS,IN REV. ITS SPEAKING OF HIS SECOND COMING, THATS WHEN EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, THAN HE WILL BE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!
THEY SAW HIM WHEN HE CAME TO SHED HIS BLOOD FOR OUR SINS,IN REV. ITS SPEAKING OF HIS SECOND COMING, THATS WHEN EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, THAN HE WILL BE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!
sorry posted twice
Quote (katjo @ Sep. 15 2009,03:05) Stu!!- you better read Revelation!
Read it and laughed at it.Next?
Stuart
stu- I hope you know there is a heaven and a hell, and we are all going to go to one or the other some day. You cant deny a book that can tell you what has happened in the world,(wrote before it even happened) what is going on now, and what is going to happen. If you except Jesus into your heart and repent of your sins, you will get the holy Spirit, and what a awesome feeling. You keep putting His word in your heart, and praying to God, He is going to start changing you . Taking all the bitterness out of you, opening your eyes to see the truth, you begin to walk in a spiritual life. Not what the flesh wants to do. You gain so much love and respect for others, and you want to help others come to know Christ.You will start seeing blessings in your life, that you know have come from God. There is not a greater feeling in the world and I wouldnt tell you this if I didnt know it for a fact! Its something you have to experience you self. Ive got prove of it right here in my own house with my husband and my son. God bless!
stu- I hope you know there is a heaven and a hell, and we are all going to go to one or the other some day. You cant deny a book that can tell you what has happened in the world,(wrote before it even happened) what is going on now, and what is going to happen. If you except Jesus into your heart and repent of your sins, you will get the holy Spirit, and what a awesome feeling. You keep putting His word in your heart, and praying to God, He is going to start changing you . Taking all the bitterness out of you, opening your eyes to see the truth, you begin to walk in a spiritual life. Not what the flesh wants to do. You gain so much love and respect for others, and you want to help others come to know Christ.You will start seeing blessings in your life, that you know have come from God. There is not a greater feeling in the world and I wouldnt tell you this if I didnt know it for a fact! Its something you have to experience you self. Ive got prove of it right here in my own house with my husband and my son. God bless!
sorry! Posted twice, my firsr isnt showing up.
Quote (katjo @ Sep. 16 2009,01:02) You cant deny a book that can tell you what has happened in the world,(wrote before it even happened) what is going on now, and what is going to happen.
I hope you realize that your “book” is a collection of works written by a variety of anonymous authors over long periods of times in different languages, compiled under the direction of a Roman emperor and edited and translated into many differing versions. As to veracity; poems, songs and parables are out of bounds as they are art, not history. The historical parts are not held to rigorous standards as to dates and places. Now to those areas which you say predicted the future, we don't know when they were written, who wrote them, if they were later edited and if the events fortold are exactly what was predicted. Many have read the predictions of Nostrodamus in the same light claiming this or that. Now having said that I can proclaim a belief in the Almighty and the existence of planes beyond on our own some of which, to those of preconditioned beliefs, may be confused with heaven or hell. Yet I can not empiracally prove such much less tell others it's all in this holy book. Personally I don't believe God himself addressed the authors of the bible any more then an angel told Mohammed what to write in the Koran. Oh and despite my doubting the revelations of others, I do appreciate the spiritual side of life and thank God for the blessings in my life. Back to the subject, I believe there are spiritual sources of evil but as to a particular being namely Satan who is chief of same, I have my doubts. As far as Satanism itself, it is rife with imposters and scam artists who either want attention or delude themselves that their petty dabbling in the ocult has actually contacted such a being.Quote (katjo @ Sep. 16 2009,01:00) stu- I hope you know there is a heaven and a hell, and we are all going to go to one or the other some day. You cant deny a book that can tell you what has happened in the world,(wrote before it even happened) what is going on now, and what is going to happen. If you except Jesus into your heart and repent of your sins, you will get the holy Spirit, and what a awesome feeling. You keep putting His word in your heart, and praying to God, He is going to start changing you . Taking all the bitterness out of you, opening your eyes to see the truth, you begin to walk in a spiritual life. Not what the flesh wants to do. You gain so much love and respect for others, and you want to help others come to know Christ.You will start seeing blessings in your life, that you know have come from God. There is not a greater feeling in the world and I wouldnt tell you this if I didnt know it for a fact! Its something you have to experience you self. Ive got prove of it right here in my own house with my husband and my son. God bless!
You are confusing me for a gullible idiot in need of prostyletising. Does your denomination of christianity demand that you patronise others in such an egotistical, self-righteous manner?Stuart
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