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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2012,01:25) Wow Gene, It's like every time you say, “There is no scripture that says that!”, someone pops out the scripture that DOES say it.
I hope you're learning. I am.
Mike……..So produce your scripture that say Spirits have Bodies, and and where Scripture say we all Have “FREE WILL'S (IN) us. And where John 1:1 it say Jesus instead of LOGOS, and a Scripture that say Jesus is a “MORPHED ANGEL” or where Jesus dumped his body and was transformed to a “spirit body' as you claim he was. Seem you have produce NO Scripture Supports for your DOGMAS>not to mention all the rest of things i ask you to produce a scripture for which you never did.The only thing here getting elevated Mike is your EGO, it appears.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2012,09:40) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2012,09:31) I have to admit i was in error on this………
An honest but mistaken man, once shown the truth, either ceases to be mistaken or ceases to be honest.Gene, you have taken the high road on this one. What more could any of us ask of you?
wait and seeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2012,09:50) Mike……..So produce your scripture that say Spirits have Bodies, and and where Scripture say we all Have “FREE WILL'S (IN) us.
Don't angels have bodies, Gene? You have the free will to believe that they do, right? And you DO believe that they do, right?Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?There's my scripture then.
Mike………….And to you that is a scripture that say SPIRITS have BODIES. That is your answer? That scripture say nothing about Spirits having Bodies. No wonder you confused with all you so-call many meanings of the word Spirit.
Spirits do NOT Have bodies MIKE.Not scripture say they do , they are what is (IN) BODIES. Even God who is a spirit was (IN) Jesus Just as Jesus said He was. But you don't believe that becasue you think GOD who is a Spirit has a BODY and that body was (IN) Jesus' BODY right MIKE?
peace and love………………………………………………………….gene
I really do not understand why this is such a hot topic.
Maybe this is a battle of wills motivated by pride and the subject is only secondary.Angels are ministering spirits and I think that they have bodies.
After all they can be seen.Jesus has a body and as such he is the visible image of the invisible God in bodily form.
In scripture there is even descriptions of angels.
And it is written that we will become like the angels.
And we also know that the flesh nature will give way to the spiritual.If we are a body, soul, and spirit, is it not possible to have a different body and still be the same soul with the spirit inside. If so, then the outer flesh can give way to the spiritual so that we will have a spiritual body. Do not be confused with our spirit and a spiritual body.
The resurrected body of Christ is the prototype for all of those who will resurrected with him. The first Adam was the prototype of our current bodies and the Second Adam is the prototype of the spiritual body.
Just as Adam had a body, so the second Adam does too and my guess is that the first body is subject to physical laws and the second body is able to supersede such laws.
That's okay, T8. I'll transfer your post to the proper thread because it is worth the perusal of the others over there.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2012,10:22) Mike………….And to you that is a scripture that say SPIRITS have BODIES. That is your answer?
Gene,You already believe that angels have bodies, don't you?
In case you didn't notice, that scripture I just posted says that angels are SPIRITS. 1+1=2, Gene.
mikeboll64, where is that thread. Does it cover what happens to us when we die or do you know of a topic dedicated to that. I want to say a few things on that subject.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 13 2012,08:37)
The resurrected body of Christ is the prototype for all of those who will resurrected with him.
The first Adam was the prototype of our current bodies and the Second Adam is the prototype of the spiritual body.
Hi T8,I see it this way as well.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Oct. 11 2012,05:05) mikeboll64, where is that thread. Does it cover what happens to us when we die or do you know of a topic dedicated to that. I want to say a few things on that subject. Be forewarned though. You might awaken the sleeping giant JA/Istari/Toby if you venture onto “his” turf.
This thread is probably more what you're looking for. I never knew this thread existed, and will be interested in reading your comments there.
John 12 also says that God had blinded their minds and hardened their hearts (John 12:40-42). If “God” in 2 Corinthians 4:4 is satan, then the only conclusion is that God and satan are in league together blinding the minds of men.–kj
This is an interesting point.
Ok. Is there anyone who understands grammar and can say whether his argument about the latter part of 2 Cor 4:4 referring to Christ being the image of “the god,” and this “the god” must be the same “the god” spoken of earlier…is this accurate.
david
2Co 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Jn 12:37 Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.
Jn 12:38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
Jn 12:39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
Jn 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”
Jn 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.
Jn 12:42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him.Isa 5:22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
and champions at mixing drinks,
Isa 5:23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
but deny justice to the innocent.
Isa 5:24 Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw
and as dry grass sinks down in the flames,
so their roots will decay
and their flowers blow away like dust;
for they have rejected the law of the LORD Almighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 5:25 Therefore the LORD'S anger burns against his peopleIsa 6:9 He said, “Go and tell this people:
“ ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”the key to you question is this;Isa 5:21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.this would blind the smartes of them all,Satan
I see both sides. Definitely understand T8's arguments.
But I also see why kj would make his argument:
Jn 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their”Who is it speaking of here? Who has blinded their eyes? And who is “the god” refer to in the bible?
I see both sides.
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,08:23) I see both sides. Definitely understand T8's arguments. But I also see why kj would make his argument:
Jn 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their”Who is it speaking of here? Who has blinded their eyes? And who is “the god” refer to in the bible?
I see both sides.
he = the got of this worldQuote (david @ Oct. 20 2012,13:23) I see both sides. Definitely understand T8's arguments. But I also see why kj would make his argument:
Jn 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes
and deadened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their”Who is it speaking of here? Who has blinded their eyes? And who is “the god” refer to in the bible?
I see both sides.
Hi David,Nothing happens without YHVH allowing it;
that doesn't mean YHVH is the cause.
Take for example Job's troubles.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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