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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 03 2013,17:04) Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,22:59) Hi Resting. Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the *habitation of devils*, and the hold of *every foul spirit*, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The fallen angels will still be here after the destruction of babylon,to tempt the remnants of the gentiles.
For they will multuply again during the 1000yrs,outside
the kingdom.wakeup.
What fallen angels?Neither satan or evil spirits, were ever angels of Heaven.
When satan is in the pit then everything of his realm is in the pit.
Only when the thousand years are finished is satan released to deceive or tempt men.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.Res.
Resting.evelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought **and his angels**,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, **and his angels were cast out with him**.
Satan and his army;his angels.
wakeup.
Wakeup,You need to look at the verses again.
I showed you that satan did not deceive the nations until after the thousand years are over.
The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men.
Michael and his angels are the prophets.
The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.
War in heaven means its a spiritual war on earth between the saints and the false church.
Satan loses and is exposed and then the Kingdom ofGod comes, not because Christ returns but because of His presence among the saints who preach the last witness in His power.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Res.
Quote (2besee @ Sep. 03 2013,18:24) Wakeup, I have quoted scriptures after scriptures to you, but you turned a blind eye. The world will be burnt up with fire, only some will survive.
Right now »we should be watching Syria« …..the gathering world powers, and Russia.
I posted all of these as dreams on this forum. But you scoffed at them, on a separate thread, as did another member.
I tried to care in the beginning, wakeup.
Time is too short. it is running out.
If I may.Watching world event will do nothing for the saint except to see that one must listen to the Lord for His guidance in the things he/she is called to which may have little to do with world events elsewhere.
Res.
Quote The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men. Michael and his angels are the prophets.
The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.
Resting, welcome back.
I have reason to believe that you may be correct!
Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,20:35) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 03 2013,18:24) Wakeup, I have quoted scriptures after scriptures to you, but you turned a blind eye. The world will be burnt up with fire, only some will survive.
Right now »we should be watching Syria« …..the gathering world powers, and Russia.
I posted all of these as dreams on this forum. But you scoffed at them, on a separate thread, as did another member.
I tried to care in the beginning, wakeup.
Time is too short. it is running out.
If I may.Watching world event will do nothing for the saint except to see that one must listen to the Lord for His guidance in the things he/she is called to which may have little to do with world events elsewhere.
Res.
Thank you.Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,18:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 03 2013,17:04) Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,22:59) Hi Resting. Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the *habitation of devils*, and the hold of *every foul spirit*, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The fallen angels will still be here after the destruction of babylon,to tempt the remnants of the gentiles.
For they will multuply again during the 1000yrs,outside
the kingdom.wakeup.
What fallen angels?Neither satan or evil spirits, were ever angels of Heaven.
When satan is in the pit then everything of his realm is in the pit.
Only when the thousand years are finished is satan released to deceive or tempt men.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.Res.
Resting.evelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought **and his angels**,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, **and his angels were cast out with him**.
Satan and his army;his angels.
wakeup.
Wakeup,You need to look at the verses again.
I showed you that satan did not deceive the nations until after the thousand years are over.
The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men.
Michael and his angels are the prophets.
The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.
War in heaven means its a spiritual war on earth between the saints and the false church.
Satan loses and is exposed and then the Kingdom ofGod comes, not because Christ returns but because of His presence among the saints who preach the last witness in His power.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Res.
Resting.Who is your teacher?
QUOTE:
The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men.
Michael and his angels are the prophets.
The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.
War in heaven means its a spiritual war on earth between the saints and the false church.
UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
1.ANGELS ARE MEN?
2.ANGELS ARE PROPHETS?
3.WAR IN HEAVEN MEANS A SPIRITUAL WAR ON EARTH?Revelation 12:7 And there was war **in heaven**: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought **and his angels**,
*WAR IN HEAVEN* NOT ON EARTH.
THE DRAGON AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT IN HEAVEN.
NOT ON EARTH.(ANGELS ARE ANGELS).Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
THEIR PLACE WAS NOT FOUND *IN HEAVEN* ANYMORE.
THIS MEANS THAT THEIR PLACE WAS IN HEAVEN; BEFORE THEY WERE CAST OUT,DOWN TO EARTH.Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
THE DEVIL *AND HIS ANGELS* WERE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN *TO EARTH*.ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE READING THE HOLY BIBLE?
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Sep. 03 2013,18:24) Wakeup, I have quoted scriptures after scriptures to you, but you turned a blind eye. The world will be burnt up with fire, only some will survive.
Right now »we should be watching Syria« …..the gathering world powers, and Russia.
I posted all of these as dreams on this forum. But you scoffed at them, on a separate thread, as did another member.
I tried to care in the beginning, wakeup.
Time is too short. it is running out.
Hi Besee.You must think before you say something.
QUOTE:
The world will be burnt up with fire, only some will survive.UNQUOTE:Are you serious?
Peter said the earth will melt.
And you say that there will be some survivers?
The earth will be a ball of lava,how can there be some that survive?wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Sep. 04 2013,14:44) Wakeup, Impossible? Daniel chapter 3.
Besee.Those three men are Gods favourits.
The saints will be resurrected,spirit.
The not resurrected will be them that did not make it.
And you say they will survive the melting?wakeup.
Resting,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote What fallen angels? Neither satan or evil spirits, were ever angels of Heaven.
??
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.Obviously there was a meeting in heaven, and Satan was there amongst them having access to both heaven and earth
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou FALLEN from HEAVEN, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations.
If Lucifer (Satan) fell from heaven, then he must of been there.
Jude 1:6 And the ANGELS which kept not their FIRST ESTATE, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
This gives us a clue Resting that these angels had an estate (heaven), and chose to leave their habitation (dwelling =heaven)
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Satan not quite “kicked out” of heaven yet, but rounding up a third of the angels to follow him down to earth to carry out his will.
1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
These angels mentioned are not holy angels, but fallen angels. The ones that committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. An abomination that can never be forgiven for because they were once with God in heaven and Knew him.
Greetings Resting,
Can you please take a humble look at these scriptures to see if your view remains the same.Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 04 2013,10:14) Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,18:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 03 2013,17:04) Quote (Resting @ Sep. 03 2013,11:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 02 2013,22:59) Hi Resting. Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the *habitation of devils*, and the hold of *every foul spirit*, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
The fallen angels will still be here after the destruction of babylon,to tempt the remnants of the gentiles.
For they will multuply again during the 1000yrs,outside
the kingdom.wakeup.
What fallen angels?Neither satan or evil spirits, were ever angels of Heaven.
When satan is in the pit then everything of his realm is in the pit.
Only when the thousand years are finished is satan released to deceive or tempt men.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.Res.
Resting.evelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought **and his angels**,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, **and his angels were cast out with him**.
Satan and his army;his angels.
wakeup.
Wakeup,You need to look at the verses again.
I showed you that satan did not deceive the nations until after the thousand years are over.
The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men.
Michael and his angels are the prophets.
The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.
War in heaven means its a spiritual war on earth between the saints and the false church.
Satan loses and is exposed and then the Kingdom ofGod comes, not because Christ returns but because of His presence among the saints who preach the last witness in His power.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Res.
Resting.Who is your teacher?
QUOTE:
The angels of Rev.ch 12 and most everywhere else are men.
Michael and his angels are the prophets.
The dragon and- his angels the false prophets.
War in heaven means its a spiritual war on earth between the saints and the false church.
UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
1.ANGELS ARE MEN?
2.ANGELS ARE PROPHETS?
3.WAR IN HEAVEN MEANS A SPIRITUAL WAR ON EARTH?Revelation 12:7 And there was war **in heaven**: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought **and his angels**,
*WAR IN HEAVEN* NOT ON EARTH.
THE DRAGON AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT IN HEAVEN.
NOT ON EARTH.(ANGELS ARE ANGELS).Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
THEIR PLACE WAS NOT FOUND *IN HEAVEN* ANYMORE.
THIS MEANS THAT THEIR PLACE WAS IN HEAVEN; BEFORE THEY WERE CAST OUT,DOWN TO EARTH.Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
THE DEVIL *AND HIS ANGELS* WERE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN *TO EARTH*.ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE READING THE HOLY BIBLE?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Seek the truth from the Lord instead of relying on the word of the world.
The prophets were always the messengers (angels ) of the Lord.
Look at Steven.
Who was really speaking? —
Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.
Why did Cornelius think to worship Peter–
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.Did not God prepare hell for the devil and his angels —
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.Res
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
wakeup.
QUOTE:
Seek the truth from the Lord instead of relying on the word of the world.UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
THE HOLY BIBLE YOU SAY; IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD?BUT OF THE WORLD? I DONT BELIEVE YOU CAN SAY THAT.
—————————————————————–QUOTE:
The prophets were always the messengers (angels ) of the Lord.
Look at Steven.
Who was really speaking? –UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS *FROM HEAVEN*,AND PROHETS AND APOSTLES ARE MESSENGERS *ON EARTH*.
1.ANGELS:SPIRIT.
2.PROPHETS AND APPOSTLES: FLESH.
—————————————————————–QUOTE:
Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face ***as it had been the face of an angel***.—————————————————————–
**AS IT HAD BEEN** ITS NOT SAYING THAT HE *IS*
AN ANGEL.
—————————————————————–QUOTE:
Why did Cornelius think to worship Peter–
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
CORNELIUS RESPECTS PETER AS AN ELDER.
HE DID NOT MEAN TO WORSHIP PETER.
BUT PETER DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO KNEEL BEFORE HIM.
ONE CAN ONLY KNEEL BEFORE GOD.
—————————————————————–QUOTE:
Did not God prepare hell for the devil and his angels —
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.UNQUOTE.—————————————————————–
THE LAKE OF FIRE IS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS; AND THE JUDGED GOATS WILL ALSO BE
CAST IN THAT SAME FIRE **WHERE THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS ARE**.REV20:10.
—————————————————————–
THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST IN THAT SAME FIRE BEFORE THE GOATS, THAT WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG. THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS ALSO CAST IN THE SAME FIRE FIRST;1000YEARS BEFORE SATAN.
—————————————————————–wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 04 2013,16:25) [/quote] Resting,Sep. wrote:Quote What fallen angels? Neither satan or evil spirits, were ever angels of Heaven.
??Quote Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.Obviously there was a meeting in heaven, and Satan was there amongst them having access to both heaven and earth
No mention is made of Heaven.
Believers presented themselves before God on earth both in the OT and the NT.
Quote Isaiah 14:12 How art thou FALLEN from HEAVEN, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. If Lucifer (Satan) fell from heaven, then he must of been there.
The Lucifer of the verse refers to the King of Babylon, a type of man in his self glory.
Quote Jude 1:6 And the ANGELS which kept not their FIRST ESTATE, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. This gives us a clue Resting that these angels had an estate (heaven), and chose to leave their habitation (dwelling =heaven)
Their habitation was their place in their calling on earth.
The sons of God before the flood were the prophets of the time who beheld the face of God and then spoke to the people. Most of the human race fell because of them because they followed them and it is happening again now.
Quote Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Satan not quite “kicked out” of heaven yet, but rounding up a third of the angels to follow him down to earth to carry out his will.
If angels in Heaven could rebel then, then they could in the future, but no angel of God in Heaven has ever rebelled.
Only those sent by God on earth, can sin.
Quote 1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? These angels mentioned are not holy angels, but fallen angels. The ones that committed blasphemy of the holy spirit. An abomination that can never be forgiven for because they were once with God in heaven and Knew him
Only men who fall away from knowing God can sin.
Quote Greetings Resting,
Can you please take a humble look at these scriptures to see if your view remains the same.You need to understand that it is men on earth upon whom Gods sends His angel, who have sinned and fallen away who are shut up in tatarus awaiting the judgment and fire of the last day (at the end of it)
If it describes fallen angels from Heaven then they are now in Tartarus are they not? Yet wakeup thinks they are free right through the millennium.
Surely you can see something is wrong there?
Res.
Quote QUOTE:
Seek the truth from the Lord instead of relying on the word of the world.UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
THE HOLY BIBLE YOU SAY; IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD?BUT OF THE WORLD? I DONT BELIEVE YOU CAN SAY THAT.
—————————————————————–That is only a smart answer.
Quote QUOTE:
The prophets were always the messengers (angels ) of the Lord.
Look at Steven.
Who was really speaking? –UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS *FROM HEAVEN*,AND PROHETS AND APOSTLES ARE MESSENGERS *ON EARTH*.
1.ANGELS:SPIRIT.
2.PROPHETS AND APPOSTLES: FLESH.
—————————————————————–The angels of the Lord came upon many apostles and prophets and they spoke the message God sent them with.
Quote
QUOTE:
Act 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face ***as it had been the face of an angel***.—————————————————————–
**AS IT HAD BEEN** ITS NOT SAYING THAT HE *IS*
AN ANGEL.
—————————————————————–God has referred in His word to His sent ones as being His angels. He is not saying the man IS an angel.
Quote
QUOTE:
Why did Cornelius think to worship Peter–
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.UNQUOTE:—————————————————————–
CORNELIUS RESPECTS PETER AS AN ELDER.
HE DID NOT MEAN TO WORSHIP PETER.
BUT PETER DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO KNEEL BEFORE HIM.
ONE CAN ONLY KNEEL BEFORE GOD.
—————————————————————–It was because Peter appeared to be angelic because of the presence of God's angel upon him–
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Quote
QUOTE:
Did not God prepare hell for the devil and his angels —
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.UNQUOTE.—————————————————————–
THE LAKE OF FIRE IS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS; AND THE JUDGED GOATS WILL ALSO BE
CAST IN THAT SAME FIRE **WHERE THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS ARE**.REV20:10.
—————————————————————–
THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST IN THAT SAME FIRE BEFORE THE GOATS, THAT WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG. THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET WAS ALSO CAST IN THE SAME FIRE FIRST;1000YEARS BEFORE SATAN.
—————————————————————–You said the devils angels were free throughout the millennium but the Bible says they are now in Tartarus awaiting the judgment of the great day.
Obviously you are confused.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ Sep. 05 2013,11:25) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 04 2013,16:25) Resting,Sep. wrote:??
Quote Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.Quote Obviously there was a meeting in heaven, and Satan was there amongst them having access to both heaven and earth Quote No mention is made of Heaven. Believers presented themselves before God on earth both in the OT and the NT.
Resting,
The sons of God are angels, and they were referred to as this also in Genesis 6:2.
Why did God not refer to them as angels?
because this knowledge is not “public knowledge” and only given to the seekers, and it is the holy spirit that reveals to us who exactly these Sons of God are.
Resting, Satan was there at that meeting. God doesn't speak to him in front of men. This meeting had to be in heaven, and was with the angels. What happened to Job was spiritual, behind the scenes. No man knew that plan, only between God and the angels, and Satan was given his assignment.Quote Isaiah 14:12 How art thou FALLEN from HEAVEN, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations.
If Lucifer (Satan) fell from heaven, then he must of been there.
Quote The Lucifer of the verse refers to the King of Babylon, a type of man in his self glory.
Yes, that king of Babylon was like that. King Neb, very proud, but Satan was there behind him. If we really look deeper, we can see that it is a PROPHESY to Satan. The scriptures say that King Neb was forgiven in the end. His kingdom was restored to him after he acknowledged God. This is God speaking directly to Satan then. Foretelling his end, at the end of his rule (Babylon the Great)Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
The real king of Babylon is Satan. All the kingdoms have belonged to him since the beginning. It's now called Babylon the Great.
Jeremiah 51:37 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwelling place for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.
Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.Here's the clue who God is really speaking to
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O LUCIFER, son of the morning!
King Neb was never referred to as son of the morning. This is a title for an angel.Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
King Neb was buried like all flesh. Satan will be thrown straight into the lake of fire. No burial for him.Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 05 2013,12:37) Quote The sons of God are angels, and they were referred to as this also in Genesis 6:2.
Why did God not refer to them as angels?
because this knowledge is not “public knowledge” and only given to the seekers, and it is the holy spirit that reveals to us who exactly these Sons of God are.
Resting, Satan was there at that meeting. God doesn't speak to him in front of men. This meeting had to be in heaven, and was with the angels. What happened to Job was spiritual, behind the scenes. No man knew that plan, only between God and the angels, and Satan was given his assignment.Try using scripture and then you can get it right.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ Sep. 05 2013,14:06) journey42,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote The sons of God are angels, and they were referred to as this also in Genesis 6:2.
Why did God not refer to them as angels?
because this knowledge is not “public knowledge” and only given to the seekers, and it is the holy spirit that reveals to us who exactly these Sons of God are.
Resting, Satan was there at that meeting. God doesn't speak to him in front of men. This meeting had to be in heaven, and was with the angels. What happened to Job was spiritual, behind the scenes. No man knew that plan, only between God and the angels, and Satan was given his assignment.Try using scripture and then you can get it right.
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I gave you scripture of Job. I'm replying to your answer using logic.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 05 2013,22:28) Quote (Resting @ Sep. 05 2013,14:06) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 05 2013,12:37) Quote The sons of God are angels, and they were referred to as this also in Genesis 6:2.
Why did God not refer to them as angels?
because this knowledge is not “public knowledge” and only given to the seekers, and it is the holy spirit that reveals to us who exactly these Sons of God are.
Resting, Satan was there at that meeting. God doesn't speak to him in front of men. This meeting had to be in heaven, and was with the angels. What happened to Job was spiritual, behind the scenes. No man knew that plan, only between God and the angels, and Satan was given his assignment.Try using scripture and then you can get it right.
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I gave you scripture of Job. I'm replying to your answer using logic.
Maybe you need to prove to me that there was a meeting on earth between God and Men, and Satan was there also speaking to God in front of men giving him his assignment?The sons of God of the Bible are always men, and does not change to being angels just because of the opinion of men.
The sons of God of Gen. 6 are the prophets who fell away, for neither can angels reproduce men in union with women under any circumstance.
The sons of God in Job are also the fallen prophets of the age for satan was among them and free to go as he pleased.
The whole purpose of the Job account is to show the raising up of men of spiritual caliber through whom God could overturn the freedom of satan had among men.
The falling away of the prophets in Gen.ch 6 shows the same event which has occurred in our past when the people fell away from God (though never all) and is the same in our time now worsening.
The Bible is consistent in its teaching throughout.
The last witness involves the exposing of satan and his ministers through the overcomers of this age. Rev.12:7-10.
(people like Job)Spiritist teachings have invaded the churches in order to hide the truth.
Wise people will search it out.
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