- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Not3in1…..Mandy i know things got pretty
hecktic here for all of us here, but remember Satan does not have a problem with the chruches of the world which teach his false doctrines . So where would he attack if not here where people who are seeking truth are. You are very important ot all of us here, your encouragement and true logic will always be needed in this site. If you must go please return as soon as possible.Love to you and yours…….gene
Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 21 2007,08:07) Ken and Laurel, I am saying goodbye to you both in the same post because I believe you both have some of the same lessons to learn. Part of the reason I am taking a break is that I cannot stand-up under your constant belittling and spiritual bullying! The lessons you are hoping to promote have backfired on you both. You have brought division and controversy instead of understanding and unity. I know you both don't care if there is unity or not, after all, you have a message from God! Well, you need to start caring. If you want to call yourselves Christians…….you need to go and learn what it means to be “Christ-like.”
I have been interested in what you both have brought to this thread, unfortunately, some of it was hard to understand because of the puffed up pride. This is not just a criticism that is coming from me, but it has been confirmed to you both through many witnesses. Perhaps this will be something that you will be willing to look at in the future – for the gospel's sake.
Forgiveness that leads to love,
Mandy
Not3,
First I want to say Bye Bye, I have three children of my own an know how busy life is with little ones. They took up most of my time. Now that they are grown I enjoy being in the Word of Elohim. This is when I feel most at peace, so I keep His Word with me everywhere I go. Every day I am blessed to be walking with my Messiah Y'shua and learning how He lives. I follow in His footsteps, speaking of things hard for some to understand, but I know one day we will all see and know, even the people who walk in their own path and think it is His path, and those who say He isn't there. We will all know soon.One thing I can say is that I am not ashamed of myself for standing up for His Spirit, His Son, His Word. All Scripture was given for proof and is valuable to life every day, to this day.
I posted a rather heart felt and Scripture based teaching on the two covenants. None of it was my interpretation. But you out of enmity for His truth, have ignored all that I wrote as well as did Mrs.
I posted it in easy to understand form, well laid out for all to see. I am sorry that you didn't read it and instead choose to side with a human interpretation with no Biblically based Scripture.
We all have a choice to make in this life, we are without excuse, we have all been given an equal opportunity to worship the Creator or not to worship Him. If we choose to worship Him the Torah is our instructions on how we are to do that. The Torah has been preserved in Hebrew, for over a thousand years with no changes. We can depend on it. It is the rock I build my house on. So I should, since My Savior is the “rock.” Through Him, I have been given knowledge and understanding that can only come from Him. I can talk till I'm blue and post Scripture to proove it, BUT some just can't see yet.
You guys are the ones who are causing separation. Your doctrine leads to sin, because you have no law for a trainer. There is no way possible for a person to say I worship YHWH, but His commands are grevious and I am against keeping them, and REALLY belong to Him.
Ken and I are like to pillars. We stand firm on the rock that is Messiah, the Word of our Father in heaven, through His Spirit. Keeping the commands will never be against our Father who made them for us. We keep them to the best of our human ability because, and only because we love and worship Him.
As for the Sabbath. It has been in practice since creation, and will continue throught all time for those who are His people. It was part of the first covenant with Israel (his people), and is part of the second covenant with Israel (His people). Most important keeping it IS spiritual, you know Elohim rested on it, and why do you really think He was tired?
No one can change His plan, although many try in vain. YHWH commanded us (Ken and myself and many others) to “remember” the Sabbath and Him who created the heavens and the earth. So as a memorial to Him, we live in His will.
Those who do not keep it are simply ignorant of the truth, BUT if those folk want to know the truth, Scripture says to ask and it will be given. I know that is true and I know His Word is true, because I know that the Word is the Son, and the Son is filled with the Spirit of the Father.
Revelations says 7 times that to be in His kingdom, we must do two things:
#1 Believe Y'shua is the Messiah and the Son of Elohim.
#2 Guard the commands.Ken and I live by belief. Our belief shows in our works. That is how I know Ken is with me, even though we never met, even though we are at different distances on His path, I know this much, we are on the same path and walk with Messiah and Messiah will take us to the Father.
Love,
LaurelMandy,
Thanks so much SisterYour encouragement always means so much to me.
You are an important part of this forum and I look forward to your return.Until then, take care
Love JodiLaurel,
Where does it say in the bible that Adam, Enoch, Noah or Abraham worked six days and rested on the 7th. Isn't that an assumption on your part or do you have scriptural PROOF?
Laurel, does God work 6 days a week and rest every Saturday? Do you think God has Jesus work in heaven Sunday through Friday and then rest on Saturday?
We know that God and Jesus are presently working together on the kingdom to come. Do you think they take a break from doing this on Saturday?
When you say you keep the Sabbath in the spirit, can you elaborate on that for me.
The Letter says -Do not Murder-the Spirit says love your enemies
The Letter says- Do not Commit Adultery-the Spirit says don't even look at another woman and lust for her.
The Letter says-Remember the Sabbath day and keep it set-apart-the Spirit says____
Laurel could you please fill in the blank for me
Thank you, Jodi
Quote (Laurel @ Sep. 21 2007,17:29) I posted a rather heart felt and Scripture based teaching on the two covenants. None of it was my interpretation. But you out of enmity for His truth, have ignored all that I wrote as well as did Mrs.
This is where I do have a PROBLEM with you Laurel and your puffed up attitude. With all due respect LISTEN to yourself.There is nothing wrong with defending your belief, but to say just because you think someone is ignoring your post that they are in enmity for God's truth is really quite sick.
Once again LISTEN to yourself you just told Mandy and Mrs. that out of HATE for the truth, they ignored your post.
Mandy and Mrs. do not have enmity for God's truth, they are seeking God's truth and God is revealing it to them as He pleases according to His plan.
You seem to be asserting that your posts contain the undeniable truth. Do you believe your a prophetess Laurel?
Jodi,
If you truely want to know, I can help, but first you must really want to know, and not be trying to proove me wrong. Our Father in heaven will give you understanding if you really want it.I'm not say that you should not proove Scripture however, that is a must.
Jodi, about how you look at me as puffed up, why woul you ask me then for any truths?
You are just as confused as they are.Jodi,
How else could you describe someone who is against the old testament, like Mrs. is? I dont call them names. I say it openly like it is, enmity for His Word. There is no secret to how they feel they post it all over the place. I do not hide behind a false skin, and fake words. I have learned in life there are many liars who pretend to be sweet, but on the inside are bitter.They beat around the bush, taking stabs at me and blaming me for their own misunderstanding. I compare that to a wolf in sheeps clothing. I learned a very hard lesson in life believing in people like Mrs. I see through her, I can't help it. It is obvious and all the nice words to those in her circle which are different to those not in her circle, proove my point.
Ken and I will even rebuke each other and not complain, we are open with each other and all of you. I know sometimes it looks like we are being mean, but someone here has to defend His Word, and I am called to do it with passion and perseverance. I do not do it for myself, really before I came to know Messiah as a freind and brother, it didn't matter to me one way or the other what people said about Him ot God. We are on a personal basis now and I can't bear to hear people throwing sh-t around about my Savior. I mean I really hate it.
Quote (Laurel @ Sep. 21 2007,18:46) Jodi,
If you truely want to know, I can help, but first you must really want to know, and not be trying to proove me wrong. Our Father in heaven will give you understanding if you really want it.I'm not say that you should not proove Scripture however, that is a must.
Laurel,
I grew up keeping the Sabbath, I grew up keeping the Feasts. For the most part I really enjoyed them. My parents really tried to make them special. I have not kept the Sabbath since I was 19, and I would say I kept it more in letter then in spirit at the time. In college from being taught that the Sabbath was nec. sometimes I would think about how I was not keeping it and feel guilty. The truth be told many things during my college years made me feel guilty. When I felt a calling from God to start studying His word a few years ago, the first thing I did was investigate the WWC of God's beliefs. At that time I briefly studied the Sabbath and felt satisfied that it was not required. When this thread got started it made me want to re-investigate my previous findings with an open mind. Since then I have spent many, many hours studying and praying on the subject. Fortunately I am a stay at home mom and have lots of free time.What I have come to find, you most certainly find offensive.
I have read you and Ken's post and none of it remotely proves to me that the Sabbath is nec. That combined with my own studies has proven to me even more that it is not nec.This does not stop me however from wanting to know about how you see things. Even if I disagree with someone, I like to try and understand fully how and why it is they believe what they do.
Laurel, this is the problem –
you say if I REALLY want to know YOU can help. You say, “”Our Father in heaven will give you understanding if you really want it.” There you go again. WHY do you think I am HERE. Why do you think I spend sometimes 8-10 hours a day studying the bible. Of course I want to know God's truth, I love God, I recognize His great work in Jesus. You speak in such condescending ways. Laurel, no one likes to listen to a know it all.I am being REALLY honest here- I do not want to hear what you have to say because I want to prove you wrong. I want to hear what you have to say because I want to understand your brain and see how and why you believe what you do.
Maybe it has something to do with my college degree in human and family development- I like to know in detail even if I don't agree, why people think and believe the way that they do.
I really hope you can share with me your understanding. I will re-read all your posts on this thread, so you don't feel like you have to re-hash any old material, that is if you choose to engage me, which I really hope you do.
Quote (Laurel @ Sep. 21 2007,18:48) Jodi, about how you look at me as puffed up, why woul you ask me then for any truths?
You are just as confused as they are.
My last post probably made it clear, but just to confirm, I am not looking to you for the truth. Why would I. You are someone I do not know on the other side of a computer. I look to God for truth, I look to His word. I love this forum because it facilitates my own bible studies.This is my philosophy when it comes to opposing Christian views-
What I share is my understanding thus far. I will not argue that what I say is the undeniable truth, I am not God and I am not Jesus, only they hold the undeniable truth. I will argue however that what I believe makes the best sense. We all have different brains and different life experiences making us see and understand things in different ways. What makes sense to me, might not make sense to someone else and vise a versa. I like to debate with people the word of God because it will do one of three things-confirm my belief even further, or it will change my belief to theirs, or it will create a whole new belief.
Once again Laurel, I am not looking to you for the truth, I simply want to understand what you BELIEVE is the truth. If what you share makes better sense to me then what I previously believed, then we can say that I have gotten some truth from you.
Why would one NOT want to keep the Sabbath?
If my parents were still alive I would want to visit with them. Sure I could talk to them on the phone but really, isn't a visit better.
There is no where in scripture that says the Sabbath or any of God's Commandments that HE wrote are done away with.
I learned of this “two commandment” lie years ago in one of the Harlot's daughter~ The Assembly of God~. Oh I bought it hook line and sinker. It seemed right as all of her doctrines do.
Believe on His Son. Well if you don't believe on His Son then what good would it do if you keep the Sabbath. We are not saved by ANY law but only by faith. Yet faith without works is dead.
Love one another. Again if you believe on His Son you have the fruit of the Spirit which is Love. His word says that Love for God is keeping His Commandments. That is what God's will is.
I don't have to think Jodi is wrong the scriptures say she is wrong. I will continue to stand for the truth…”THY WORD IS TRUTH”.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
I am at peace with myself and God. I did what HE told me to do and that was declare His Truth. His Truth is always opposite of the Harlot's lies (doctrines).
There is no scripture that changed the Sabbath but there is scripture that says a counterfeit Sabbath would be established.
Come out of her MY PEOPLE. His people are those who believe on His Son. Yet the scripture says they are in the harlot. HOW? They follow the harlot's doctrine. It is the Harlot that attacks the Seventh Day Sabbath.
Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
It's always EASY going with the flow of the world. Many flow with the world so going UP stream is ALWAYS harder Satan will make sure of that.
So I have pointed this out for the past few months and have gone through hell for doing so. But GEES this is a little thing that I went through considering my reward
God bless you all,
Ken
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 22 2007,04:48) Ken Have a nice Sabbath Day your Friend Peasce and Love Mrs.:D
THANK YOU MRS! YOU TOO!IHN,
Ken
Joi,
Thank you for you honest and heart felt post. You will know what I am like if you read my posts. I am a no hold barred, no nonsense person. I call it like I see it and if you don't see it, it's because it isn't there.I am happy that you are looking to Scripture for truths and studying His Word much. Do you, before you even open the Book, ask for Elohim's understanding by the power of His Spirit, and of course in Y'shua's name.
Try using His Name and see if it makes a difference in your understaning. If that dosen't seem to work, try studying on the Sabbath and keeping it on that day.
Please do not think I'm telling you how to worship, this is just what I find works best for me.
Like you said , you obeyed the “letter” and not for the “love” of the letter. I love His Word from the beginning to the end. I do because it reveals my Savior all over. It teaches me who He is and how He lived and why He had to die in the “place of the skull”, Golgotha.
I understand now because I do His will, I learn form the Torah and the prophets, and I see because of the Messianic writings. I'll translate that. I understand now because I study the Old Testament, and I see because of the New Testament.
The Bible calles the 10 commandments milk.
The more har to understand things, like how do the Father, the Spirit, and the Son relate to each other, or exactly when was our Messiah born, are things that have been given to me. They are to me treasure that is better than gold. They are to me a treasure that I must invest in others, in order for Him to recieve the profit He deserves.One thing about me, I was never raised under strict religion. We were given the basics, and was shoved out the door of the house into the world. I had to survive on the basics, that weren't really driven in to my heart either.
I thought I knew what I needed to know, and at the time maybe I knew enough. Now looking back I was really nieve. I'm sure I will feel the same way in a year from now. I can grow in my belief every day, and I have His Word to help me.
From what I understand in Scripture I believe this:
YHWH=Father and Elohim= Spirit=Word
Y'shua Messiah=Son=Spirit=WordThe Spirit =His truths
The Spirit=His SwordIn the beginning when Eve and Aam sinned, YHWH our Elohim placed the “tree of life” in a protected place. There is a path still today that leads to that tree. The path is protected with flaming swords.
I believe that this means if we love and serve Him and show we love Him, we will keep His commands. They are a part of His Word or the Spirit or the Truth or the Sword that protects the path to the tree of life.
The tree is a shadow picture of our Messiah. He is like an olive tree, bearing the fruit of His Works. The fruit in this case also means branches. We His people are the branches. Jews and Gentiles alike. If the branches do not produce good fruit, they are cut off and thrown into the fire of Gethsamne. That means they are destroyed by the fire.
Fire is a symbol or shadow picture of cleansing, or like the refiners fire. We as human beings must pass through this fire which is the flaming sword of truth that covers the path to the tree of life. If we remain faithful to Him, His Word, we will come out on the other side of that fire, refined like pure gold only better. If we pass through the fire in self righteousness, our fancy garments will catch on fire, and become like ashes as we will be toasted and turned to ashes. We will be no more and we will never be allowed to eat from that tree of life. Punishment for those of us who are condemned will see the kingdom, but will never touch it and this describes “Hell” to me.
Moses never got to set foot in the promised land on earth because He disobeyed YHWH our ELohim, and took matters into his own hands. We need to look at that as an example, which is everything the Old Testament is about. It was given so that we could learn, without actually having to learn by our own mistakes. Noe I am not saying that Moses will perish in the second death, I'm saying that His sin against Elohim on earth, cause His earthly demise. I'd like to believe that Moses suffering here on earth, was his eternal punishment, and that his final judgment was from a forgiving Son, who was given the crown of authority to judge by His Father who trusts in the Justice of Y'shua His Son.
Have a blessed Sabbath if you will.
LaurelGen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What Commandments did God give Abraham?
The commandments aren't mentioned until Exodus.
The only commandments mentioned in the bible are the “Ten” Commandments.
So when scripture says that Abraham kept the commandments WHAT commandments are we to “assume” he kept?
The commandment everyone wants to reject is the least and easiest to keep. Remember to keep the Sabbath Yet people go out their way NOT to keep the forth Commandment.
Well now I am being threatened of being kicked off If I teach the Sabbath. Wow! the forth commandment surely is the test commandment.
Exo 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.The Seventh day was created to be the Sabbath. God did not create seven days then pick one He Created the seventh day Sabbath.
Can the Pope or any human create a day not to mention a Holy day.
Well all I have to say is the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
And come out of her MY people lest you partake of the harlot's punishment.
Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.IHN,
Ken
Hi Ken,
The Bible dosen't explicitly say what all the commandments were that Abraham should follow, but from studying the Torah, and knowing that we are all going to be judged by the same Torah, it makes snse that His commands, statutes and all were the same as the ones Moses was commands and the same ones we are as well as the same ones Adam and Eve followed.One thing I know for sure is that Abram was commanded to take his family and leave Babylon, and go to the place YHWH commanded him to go, so by faith Abraham left his home-land, took up his family and his belongongs and left Babylon, without ever knowing exactly where YHWH was taking him. He followed by faith, not knowing where he was going.
Laurel
Quote (Laurel @ Sep. 24 2007,18:12) Hi Ken,
The Bible dosen't explicitly say what all the commandments were that Abraham should follow, but from studying the Torah, and knowing that we are all going to be judged by the same Torah, it makes snse that His commands, statutes and all were the same as the ones Moses was commands and the same ones we are as well as the same ones Adam and Eve followed.One thing I know for sure is that Abram was commanded to take his family and leave Babylon, and go to the place YHWH commanded him to go, so by faith Abraham left his home-land, took up his family and his belongongs and left Babylon, without ever knowing exactly where YHWH was taking him. He followed by faith, not knowing where he was going.
Laurel
That's the question on the “NT Commandment” thread.That's what I said we can only go by what's in the bible. Their are Ten Commandments that God wrote, so it seems correct to assume that the commandments and laws and statues that Abraham had are the same ones Moses gave.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
