Sabbath

[kenrch]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 19 2007,17:01)

Kenrch…..> Jesus said (MANY) will come unto me saying Lord in your name we did all these (WORKS) and the reply is depart from me you workers of iniquity I know you not. Do you Know what a iniquity is, Its when a person thinks they are doing what right but it's sin. Listen theres only one way you can Keep Gods commandments and here it is..” I will take out of them the stoney Heart (heard heart) and give them a heart of flesh (SOFT HEART) and I (GOD) will write my laws in there inward parts. Lets let God do his work in us all…….peace brother….gene

Mat 7:20  Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Mat 7:21  “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23  And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me,  you workers of lawlessness.'

iniquity.458

G458
ἀνομία
anomia
an-om-ee'-ah
From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: – iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

[kenrch]

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Yes I did say awhile back that my parents helped set up the United Church of God in their area after the split from the WWC of God.

AH!  That explains everything. Jodi and Mrs come from the same bush.  They are of the same fruit.  When their god died “Herbert W Armstrong” and those left in charge changed everything it left a bitter taste in their mouth.

As I said in the past the WWCG did not have the Holy Spirit I studied with them and tried to keep the Sabbath but with the WWCG the Sabbath is “bondage”.  Not having the Spirit they could not keep the Sabbath “spiritually”.

However I can see someone “belonging” to that church then told what they believed was a lie becoming a little angry and a little paranoid of the Sabbath because of the way they were taught to keep it.

Hey Gene came from that church too, right?

May the Spirit heal you both, you too MR

Peace and much Love,

Ken

[kejonn]

Quote (Jodi @ Sep. 18 2007,23:52)

Yes I did say awhile back that my parents helped set up the United Church of God in their area after the split from the WWC of God. The United Church of God then split a few years after that with my parents helping establish the split church that was simply called Church of God. The congregation was really small and met at my parents home. I cannot remember who was the main leader behind the Church of God or where their head quarters were but ironically the reason that they left was due to the Sabbath. Its amazing how CRAZY people can be when it comes to KEEPING the Sabbath. Basically what happened was that my parents couldn’t have services at their home or attend the Sabbath meeting because my mom needed to take care of my slowly dieing Grandmother. The church gave my mom a really hard time for taking care of my Grandmother over keeping the Sabbath, basically because without my mom’s organization of the church in our local area there was no church. They put a lot of pressure on my mom, trying to make her feel guilty about not keeping the Sabbath. It was all quite sickening really.  My dad really had enough with the way they were treating her, and encouraged them to quit the church all together. It was really hard for my mom to let go, but she knew that this church wasn’t for them either. They have not attending a church now for quite sometime. God works in mysterious ways. You know if it weren’t for Ken and Laurel, stressing the Sabbath, I would not have learned all that I have in the past few weeks, which has been a lot. I am so thankful to God for this forum, it has really elevated my studies, given me deeper understanding for the scriptures and most importantly it has strengthened my relationship with God. The only thing I feel that lacks in my spiritual life, which I had so much of growing up in the WWC of God, is unity and close fellowship with common believers. I know that God is working on this for me, and I will continue to be patient. Peace and love to you both Mr. and Mrs.

Jodi,

It seems that those that were in that church matched up very well with the ones spoken of in Mark 3:6, while your parents followed the path of Yeshua in the passage below:

Mar 3:1  He entered again into a synagogue; and a man was there whose hand was withered.
Mar 3:2  They were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him.
Mar 3:3  He said to the man with the withered hand, “Get up and come forward!”
Mar 3:4  And He said to them, “Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to kill?” But they kept silent.
Mar 3:5  After looking around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored.
Mar 3:6  The Pharisees went out and immediately began conspiring with the Herodians against Him, as to how they might destroy Him

Those that criticised your parents for doing that which was good on Sabbath basically were “destroying” them. That is, they were destroying their faith in the church, and potentially in God because of the behavior of “God's people”. Yet the Master showed who was really doing the right thing in Mark 3:4, wouldn't you say? By caring for the dying grandmother, they did the right thing on the Sabbath. Mean spirited people cannot take this truth away from them.

[GeneBalthrop]

Kenrch……> your Knowledge of iniquity I believe is flawed . While iniquity is breaken of God's law, just like sin, It is different, thats why God said I will forgive you sins (AND) iniquities. And iniquite is a sin thats done under the guises of righteouness, much like you are doing with the sabbath. Your trying to apear righteous by troughting (YOUR) sabbath idology as some how serving the Lord, when infact your are not serving anyone but yourself. And don't try to intimedate me by calling me a coward, it will be a cold day in Hell before I am a coward of a person like you, (MR.). You have intimidated everyone on this site who does not agree with you, No matter how much scripture was shown you, you continue to cast condesending remarks on all who disagree with you. You doin't even conceder anything that been said to you, just continue to cast despersions on people, hardly a sign of God's Spirit……again you try to hold yourself up as an angle of light, but in reality your working iniquity and doin't even realize it…….gene

Jodi's post was right rather you like it or not.

[kenrch]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 20 2007,03:35)

Kenrch……> your Knowledge of iniquity I believe is flawed . While iniquity is breaken of God's law, just like sin, It is different, thats why God said I will forgive you sins (AND) iniquities. And iniquite is a sin thats done under the guises of righteouness, much like you are doing with the sabbath. Your trying to apear righteous by troughting (YOUR) sabbath idology as some how serving the Lord, when infact your are not serving anyone but yourself. And don't try to intimedate me by calling me a coward, it will be a cold day in Hell before I am a coward of a person like you, (MR.). You have intimidated everyone on this site who does not agree with you, No matter how much scripture was shown you, you continue to cast condesending remarks on all who disagree with you. You doin't even conceder anything that been said to you, just continue to cast despersions on people, hardly a sign of God's Spirit……again you try to hold yourself up as an angle of light, but in reality your working iniquity and doin't even realize it…….gene Jodi's post was right rather you like it or not.

Yeah I guess scripture is wrong and Gene is right as long as the flow goes that way.

Gene you came from that tree also did you not? Your god died too old Herbert W Armstrong. However you are a coward at least those who are in error believe they are right you believe they are right because you “go with the flow” A coward NOT standing up for “what you once said you kept”.

If Jodi is right then you no longer keep the Sabbath “if you ever did”!

Rev 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

You greive my Spirit Gene! I will not allow that!

So I will not even look at your name much less read what trash you will say.

IHN,

Ken

[Jodi]

Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 20 2007,02:27)

Quote Yes I did say awhile back that my parents helped set up the United Church of God in their area after the split from the WWC of God. AH! That explains everything. Jodi and Mrs come from the same bush. They are of the same fruit. When their god died “Herbert W Armstrong” and those left in charge changed everything it left a bitter taste in their mouth. As I said in the past the WWCG did not have the Holy Spirit I studied with them and tried to keep the Sabbath but with the WWCG the Sabbath is “bondage”. Not having the Spirit they could not keep the Sabbath “spiritually”. However I can see someone “belonging” to that church then told what they believed was a lie becoming a little angry and a little paranoid of the Sabbath because of the way they were taught to keep it. Hey Gene came from that church too, right? May the Spirit heal you both, you too MR Peace and much Love, Ken

Ken this comment just goes to show how you seriously have a veil over your eyes. You are judging and assuming things about people based on their attendance at a certain church. How weak of you. I believe I said in my last post that I miss fellowship with people, which means I miss what I GOT OUT of the Sabbath when I attended the WWC of God. Yes, I will admit, being an athletic teen, having to keep the Sabbath was very hard for me since I couldn't participate in sports on Friday and Saturday. But you know what Ken, as you like to believe that I have a bitter taste in my mouth from the way I had to keep the Sabbath under my parent’s roof, that is just simply not true. There is no bitter taste in my mouth about the Sabbath. Having to keep the Sabbath as a child, I believe made me who I am today. First it taught me to respect my parents and follow their authority. Second it taught me how to serve others since my parents were in charge of so much at the church, and thus I had lots of responsibilities as well. Thirdly, having to defend my beliefs to my friends and coaches made me a very strong individual. You can AH, all you want but the most special memories I carry in my heart actually come from Sabbath feast days!

You accused me awhile back that I already had my mind made up about the Sabbath, unfortunately for you that was not true at all. Wow, you have a major problem assuming things about people and labeling them don't you? My stance on keeping or not keeping the Sabbath was weak at that time you said that, as I had not yet really studied the subject. While you like to believe that I simply don't want to see your truth because I am bitter towards the Sabbath, according to my attendance at a certain church, the truth is I FIND your arguments weak and completely lacking substance! I am not blinded by bitterness, I have no bitterness. The SOLE reason why I don't believe the Sabbath is required is based on what I see being said in God's word.

I think in all honesty Ken, the fact that your opposition has contributed to my understanding that the Sabbath is not required, leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth.

And as for this, “As I said in the past the WWCG did not have the Holy Spirit I studied with them and tried to keep the Sabbath but with the WWCG the Sabbath is “bondage”. Not having the Spirit they could not keep the Sabbath “spiritually”.

Who are you to judge where God has and has not put the Holy Spirit? Yes I can agree that the WWC of God was not the perfect church, I don't believe that any church is the Perfect Church. However to say that the church or any church does not have the HS working in it in some way, shows how you are the type of person who rather seek to judge then look to find the good. Ken are YOU PERFECT? Then the Holy Spirit must not be working in you either.

[Jodi]

Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 20 2007,02:48)

Quote (Jodi @ Sep. 18 2007,23:52) Yes I did say awhile back that my parents helped set up the United Church of God in their area after the split from the WWC of God. The United Church of God then split a few years after that with my parents helping establish the split church that was simply called Church of God. The congregation was really small and met at my parents home. I cannot remember who was the main leader behind the Church of God or where their head quarters were but ironically the reason that they left was due to the Sabbath. Its amazing how CRAZY people can be when it comes to KEEPING the Sabbath. Basically what happened was that my parents couldn’t have services at their home or attend the Sabbath meeting because my mom needed to take care of my slowly dieing Grandmother. The church gave my mom a really hard time for taking care of my Grandmother over keeping the Sabbath, basically because without my mom’s organization of the church in our local area there was no church. They put a lot of pressure on my mom, trying to make her feel guilty about not keeping the Sabbath. It was all quite sickening really. My dad really had enough with the way they were treating her, and encouraged them to quit the church all together. It was really hard for my mom to let go, but she knew that this church wasn’t for them either. They have not attending a church now for quite sometime. God works in mysterious ways. You know if it weren’t for Ken and Laurel, stressing the Sabbath, I would not have learned all that I have in the past few weeks, which has been a lot. I am so thankful to God for this forum, it has really elevated my studies, given me deeper understanding for the scriptures and most importantly it has strengthened my relationship with God. The only thing I feel that lacks in my spiritual life, which I had so much of growing up in the WWC of God, is unity and close fellowship with common believers. I know that God is working on this for me, and I will continue to be patient. Peace and love to you both Mr. and Mrs. Jodi, It seems that those that were in that church matched up very well with the ones spoken of in Mark 3:6, while your parents followed the path of Yeshua in the passage below: Mar 3:1 He entered again into a synagogue; and a man was there whose hand was withered. Mar 3:2 They were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. Mar 3:3 He said to the man with the withered hand, “Get up and come forward!” Mar 3:4 And He said to them, “Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to kill?” But they kept silent. Mar 3:5 After looking around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored. Mar 3:6 The Pharisees went out and immediately began conspiring with the Herodians against Him, as to how they might destroy Him Those that criticised your parents for doing that which was good on Sabbath basically were “destroying” them. That is, they were destroying their faith in the church, and potentially in God because of the behavior of “God's people”. Yet the Master showed who was really doing the right thing in Mark 3:4, wouldn't you say? By caring for the dying grandmother, they did the right thing on the Sabbath. Mean spirited people cannot take this truth away from them.

Thanks KJ you are so very right!

[Not3in1]

Ken,

I notice that when you address your brother Gene, and you are closing your post, you leave out the “l” for love.  You just sign it, “IHN, Ken.”  When most other times you sign it, “IHN&L, Ken.”  May I gently remind you that you may keep the Sabbath all you want, but if you have not love for your brother – you do not love God.

1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:  Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother.

1 Corinthians 8:1-3
….Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.

The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.  But the man who loves God is known by God.

Brother, I encourage you to revisit your apology to the board.  I encourage you to make one again to the board.  You do not have to apologize for the truth that you are sharing, but your behavior has been damaging to the gospel, in my opinion.  Your behavior here on HeavenNet has been a great display of pride, and it's been anything but pretty.

Ken, if you have not love, you have nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:1
And now I will show you the most excellent way.

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbol.

I cannot speak for everyone, but for me, your posts have become like a resounding gong; repeating the same truth mixed with anger, over and over again…….  I wonder what the Lord hears when you open your mouth?

Please return to love; for God's sake!
Mandy

[kenrch]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 20 2007,04:54)

Ken, I notice that when you address your brother Gene, and you are closing your post, you leave out the “l” for love.  You just sign it, “IHN, Ken.”  When most other times you sign it, “IHN&L, Ken.”  May I gently remind you that you may keep the Sabbath all you want, but if you have not love for your brother – you do not love God. 1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:  Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3 ….Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.  But the man who loves God is known by God. Brother, I encourage you to revisit your apology to the board.  I encourage you to make one again to the board.  You do not have to apologize for the truth that you are sharing, but your behavior has been damaging to the gospel, in my opinion.  Your behavior here on HeavenNet has been a great display of pride, and it's been anything but pretty. Ken, if you have not love, you have nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1 And now I will show you the most excellent way. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbol. I cannot speak for everyone, but for me, your posts have become like a resounding gong; repeating the same truth mixed with anger, over and over again…….  I wonder what the Lord hears when you open your mouth? Please return to love; for God's sake! Mandy

You people think I like to argue. As I said I would be MUCH BETTER off not saying anything! Just let you go down the wrong road.

I'm so full of LOVE that I'm willing to go through hell for YOU!

But not anymore! I'm finished! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!

I have shaken the dust off my feet.

That's just a little TOO much for me to even suggest that Jesus wants you to break His Father's commandments.

So you guys have it your way and what ever way that is I'm sure Gene will be on your side.

Jodi you say I have a veil over my eyes. I think it's the other way around because it seems all of the people that came out of the WWCG hate the Sabbath.

You would think that I'm the one asking you to break His Commandments. What sin would it be if you kept His Sabbath?

Sin is transgression of the Law! Not keeping the Law!

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Lord lord did we not believe in your name!

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

The will of the Father is what pleases Him and that is His Ten Commandments.

Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS!

2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

“with the error of lawless people” Hello! Hello! Is Anyone Home?

Is their not one among you who have eyes and ears?

NO! you hear what you want and see what you want and Jodi and others have told you what you WANT!

Scripture being fulfilled right before your eyes but you don't see!

2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Am I to pat you on the back and say OH that's alright you can do what you want! Just get on to the wide path with ALL the others.

I may as well because that is exactly what you will do.

Peace and believe it or Not I wish all you well!

Ken

[Not3in1]

Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 20 2007,06:22)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 20 2007,04:54) Ken, I notice that when you address your brother Gene, and you are closing your post, you leave out the “l” for love.  You just sign it, “IHN, Ken.”  When most other times you sign it, “IHN&L, Ken.”  May I gently remind you that you may keep the Sabbath all you want, but if you have not love for your brother – you do not love God. 1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:  Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3 ….Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.  But the man who loves God is known by God. Brother, I encourage you to revisit your apology to the board.  I encourage you to make one again to the board.  You do not have to apologize for the truth that you are sharing, but your behavior has been damaging to the gospel, in my opinion.  Your behavior here on HeavenNet has been a great display of pride, and it's been anything but pretty. Ken, if you have not love, you have nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1 And now I will show you the most excellent way. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbol. I cannot speak for everyone, but for me, your posts have become like a resounding gong; repeating the same truth mixed with anger, over and over again…….  I wonder what the Lord hears when you open your mouth? Please return to love; for God's sake! Mandy You people think I like to argue.  As I said I would be MUCH BETTER off not saying anything!  Just let you go down the wrong road. I'm so full of LOVE that I'm willing to go through hell for YOU! But not anymore!  I'm finished! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH! I have shaken the dust off my feet. That's just a little TOO much for me to even suggest that Jesus wants you to break His Father's commandments. So you guys have it your way and what ever way that is I'm sure Gene will be on your side. Jodi you say I have a veil over my eyes.  I think it's the other way around because it seems all of the people that came out of the WWCG hate the Sabbath. You would think that I'm the one asking you to break His Commandments.  What sin would it be if you kept His Sabbath? Sin is transgression of the Law!  Not keeping the Law! 1Jo 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Lord lord did we not believe in your name! Mat 7:21  “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. The will of the Father is what pleases Him and that is His Ten Commandments. Mat 7:23  And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.' YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS! 2Pe 3:16  as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 2Pe 3:17  You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “with the error of lawless people”   Hello!  Hello! Is Anyone Home? Is their not one among you who have eyes and ears? NO! you hear what you want and see what you want and Jodi and others have told you what you WANT! Scripture being fulfilled right before your eyes but you don't see! 2Ti 4:3  For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 2Ti 4:4  and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. Am I to pat you on the back and say OH that's alright you can do what you want!  Just get on to the wide path with ALL the others. I may as well because that is exactly what you will do. Peace and believe it or Not I wish all you well! Ken

I tried. I wanted to at least try one more time to reach you, brother.

Gong……….gong……….gong.

[kenrch]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 20 2007,06:33)

Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 20 2007,06:22) Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 20 2007,04:54) Ken, I notice that when you address your brother Gene, and you are closing your post, you leave out the “l” for love.  You just sign it, “IHN, Ken.”  When most other times you sign it, “IHN&L, Ken.”  May I gently remind you that you may keep the Sabbath all you want, but if you have not love for your brother – you do not love God. 1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:  Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3 ….Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.  But the man who loves God is known by God. Brother, I encourage you to revisit your apology to the board.  I encourage you to make one again to the board.  You do not have to apologize for the truth that you are sharing, but your behavior has been damaging to the gospel, in my opinion.  Your behavior here on HeavenNet has been a great display of pride, and it's been anything but pretty. Ken, if you have not love, you have nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1 And now I will show you the most excellent way. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbol. I cannot speak for everyone, but for me, your posts have become like a resounding gong; repeating the same truth mixed with anger, over and over again…….  I wonder what the Lord hears when you open your mouth? Please return to love; for God's sake! Mandy You people think I like to argue.  As I said I would be MUCH BETTER off not saying anything!  Just let you go down the wrong road. I'm so full of LOVE that I'm willing to go through hell for YOU! But not anymore!  I'm finished! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH! I have shaken the dust off my feet. That's just a little TOO much for me to even suggest that Jesus wants you to break His Father's commandments. So you guys have it your way and what ever way that is I'm sure Gene will be on your side. Jodi you say I have a veil over my eyes.  I think it's the other way around because it seems all of the people that came out of the WWCG hate the Sabbath. You would think that I'm the one asking you to break His Commandments.  What sin would it be if you kept His Sabbath? Sin is transgression of the Law!  Not keeping the Law! 1Jo 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Lord lord did we not believe in your name! Mat 7:21  “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. The will of the Father is what pleases Him and that is His Ten Commandments. Mat 7:23  And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.' YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS! 2Pe 3:16  as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 2Pe 3:17  You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “with the error of lawless people”   Hello!  Hello! Is Anyone Home? Is their not one among you who have eyes and ears? NO! you hear what you want and see what you want and Jodi and others have told you what you WANT! Scripture being fulfilled right before your eyes but you don't see! 2Ti 4:3  For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 2Ti 4:4  and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. Am I to pat you on the back and say OH that's alright you can do what you want!  Just get on to the wide path with ALL the others. I may as well because that is exactly what you will do. Peace and believe it or Not I wish all you well! Ken I tried.  I wanted to at least try one more time to reach you, brother. Gong……….gong……….gong.

That's real funny Mandy

Oh I can laugh with you now!

[Not3in1]

You're fruit shows your tree for what it is.

You may have some truth brother, but what you really need is a heart for the Lord Jesus.

Shaking head……..sigh………I love you, Ken. God bless you today as you seek him.

[kenrch]

I'm with you guys!

Jesus drank wine in fact He drank so much wine that they called Him a drunkard. So in the name of Jesus I can break commandments and keep pagan “party” days then why not have a little nip

Mat 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.”

Hey I like this freedom “sweet” freedom! Hey why wait for XMAS or birthdays. I believe everyday should be celebrated in the flesh. Why not! I believe in Jesus HA!

That is exactly what my old friends use to say I believe Jesus was the Son of God! I'm not stealing, I work for a living am I not to enjoy the fruit of my labor?

I'm not a priest. Let the priest live like that “I'm not called” of the Lord!

Some say It's better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven! HA!

Yahoo! Man I have really been missing the boat here! I'm going to just bask in the flesh and why not I believe in Jesus!

Well I'm off to get a six pack that should do it after all these years!

See ya!

[kenrch]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 20 2007,06:50)

You're fruit shows your tree for what it is. You may have some truth brother, but what you really need is a heart for the Lord Jesus. Shaking head……..sigh………I love you, Ken.  God bless you today as you seek him.

NO! Mandy I need freedom to worship on pagan days!

[Not3in1]

A heart after our Lord Jesus……

[kenrch]

No I really do LOVE you guys. I do go overboard at times it's just that as sure that Jesus is the Son of God I know I'm right.

When you first met Jesus wasn't you excited and went to everyone you knew and told them that it was all true God, Jesus ETC!

Well that's the way I feel about the Sabbath! I want everyone with me, even above me! But it is not to be!

This is TRUTH! The Sabbath is the sign of God on His children.

Satan has His sign Sunday. But Sunday are for those who want a Sabbath so as always he gave his counterfeit sabbath. But His real goal is to keep you from keeping God's Sabbath, Dan 7:25.

[Jodi]

Today’s morning study I focused on understanding Hebrews 4 and I would like to share it with you.

A quick note, using crosswalk.com, I discovered that the original word translated Sabbatic-rest or Sabbath-rest in Hebrews 4:9 is not found anywhere else in the bible.

Take a look-
Sabbatismo is the word used in Hebrews 4:9

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Strong's Number: 4520 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
sabbatismo from a derivative of (4521)

Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Sabbatismos 7:34,989
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
sab-bat-is-mos'

Noun Masculine
Definition
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians

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Compare to-
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Original Word Word Origin
sabbaton of Hebrew origin (07676)

Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Sabbaton 7:1,989
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
sab'-bat-on
Noun Neuter

Definition
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
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Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard. 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS R I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; 5 and again in this passage, “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

The Seventh day in Genesis is a symbol of God’s future kingdom, where mankind lives eternally in God’s rest. The Israelites did not listen to God’s voice, they had hardened hearts, so God swore in His anger that they would not enter His rest. God however speaking through David made a new covenant, that if they listened to the words of His anointed Son then they could once again receive the promise of His rest. There then remained the promise of the Sabbatic rest for the Israelites after all, which was to come in the future through believing in the voice of Jesus the Messiah. All of mankind’s rest is granted through adhering to the voice of Jesus, who we know has already entered God’s rest, resting from his own work.

Re 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who from now on die in the Lord.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them.”

We will rest from our own labors when we die to the Lord.

Hebrews is not telling us that there still remains for us a requirement to work six days and rest on the seventh. Hebrews is telling us that even though God in His anger swore He would not allow the Israelites to enter His rest, He changed His mind and revealed that a rest STILL REMAINED for them, if they believed in His anointed Son. As Jesus now rests from his labors, as God did from His after the first Creation, we have the promise of receiving the Sabbatic rest from our labors in God’s New Creation of the Heavens and Earth, upon our resurrection from the dead.

Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one may fall through such disobedience as theirs. 12 Indeed, the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing until it divides soul from spirit, joints from marrow; it is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And before him no creature is hidden, but all are naked and laid bare to the eyes of the one to whom we must render an account. 14 Since, then, we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast to our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who in every respect has been tested F32 as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore approach the throne of grace with boldness, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

We are being warned! For us there will be no second chance like the Israelites had. As Jesus has past into God's rest, if we are to do the same, we must hold fast to our confession that we truly believe in his name.

[kenrch]

Because the eternal Sabbath that the seventh day Sabbath points to did not happen.

Then there remained a seventh day Sabbath for the people of God!

Sabbath in Christianity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While a clear mandate is given for the Sabbath in Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, the closest passage to a command for Sabbath-keeping in the New Testament is found in Hebrews 4:9, which describes the Sabbath not as a day, but instead as a state of being, the context and grammar of the passage indicate otherwise. In that passage is found the word “sabbatismos.” The Authorized Version (King James Version of 1611) and New King James Version and several others render that word as “rest.” The American Standard Version of 1901, New American Standard Bible 1995 Updated Edition and several other translations somewhat more correctly render that word as “Sabbath rest.” A few, such as the Darby translation, transliterate the word as “Sabbatism.” However, its literal translation is “Sabbath observance,” and The Scriptures, translated by The Institute For Scripture Research, render it as such, while The Bible in Basic English gives the equally literal “Sabbath keeping.” In regard to taking Sabbatismos literally, Professor Andrew T. Lincoln, on page 213 in his symposium From Sabbath to Lord's Day, states “The use of sabbatismos elsewhere in extant Greek literature gives an indication of its more exact shade of meaning. It is used in Plutarch, De Superstitione 3 (Moralia166A) of Sabbath observance. There are also four occurrences in post canonical literature that are independent of Hebrews 4:9. They are Justin, Dialogue with Trypho 23:3; Epiphanius, Adversus Haereses 30:2:2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; Apostolic Constitutions 2:36:2. In each of these places the term denotes the observance or celebration of the Sabbath. This usage corresponds to the Septuagint usage of the cognate verb sabbatizo (cf. Ex. 16:30; Lev. 23:32; 26:34; 2 Chron. 36:21

Thus the writer to the Hebrews is saying that since the time of Joshua an observance of the Sabbath rest has been outstanding.” The literal translation then of Hebrews 4:9 is “Therefore a Sabbath observance has been left behind for the people of God.” Further, the internal evidence of the preceding verses would indicate that the Sabbath observance mentioned in this verse is indeed the seventh day Sabbath and not the Lord's Day Sabbath. In verse 8, the Hebrew writer states, “For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have afterward spoken of another day.” On first glance in our English translations, that word “another” would give the appearance of a different day. However, in the Greek, there are two words that mean “another”. “Heteros” means “another of a different kind”, while “allos” means “another of the same kind”. The word used in Hebrews 4:8 is “allos”, indicating a Sabbath day of the same kind as referred to in Hebrews 4:8-5, that is, the seventh-day Sabbath. In verse 7, the Hebrews writer uses the term “certain day”. The Greek word for “certain” is “tis”. It is clearly referencing a specific day, and not the general thought of an eternal rest. The force of Hebrews 3:11-4:11 then seems to be saying that because Christians look toward the eternal rest of heaven, the type or shadow of the earthly Sabbath rest still remains, or is “left behind”, literally, for Christians to observe.

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Seems plain to me

[Jodi]

Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 20 2007,06:22)

Jodi you say I have a veil over my eyes. I think it's the other way around because it seems all of the people that came out of the WWCG hate the Sabbath.

This just goes to show how blind you are. You do not get through to people because you fail to be a good listener and see where people are coming from. Instead you assume and accuse hateful things. You obviously did not take in a word of my post, when I said things such as, some of my greatest memories are from Sabbath Feast days. All you see is that I disagree with you, so all you can do is accuse me of hating the Sabbath. Really, how childish!

[GeneBalthrop]

Kenrch…..> So you are the great law keeper and we the law breakers right; well lets see what the scriptures say about that,”He who say's he has no (SIN) is a LIER and the (TRUTH) is not (IN) him. Now if you are a sinner who are you to critize others. O' I forgot, in your case you have no sin, because you keep the sabbath, …..Right……..You truly are strainnig out a gnat but swallowing a Camel. As I said a long time ago your not seeing the forest because of the trees. You think the physical observence of the(DAY) equates to spitituality. Tell me this which day did Abraham, Issac and Jocob keep and are they going to be in they kingdom of God. And if they weren't keeping it, how is it they are going to be in the kINGDOM OF GOD.
In my eyes you are no better then anyone else on this site. rather you believe it or not, And you condesending remarks are no more then you troughting off your mouth, and taking scripture out of context and applying it to support your own self righteous position is as big a sin as you can get.. iTS one thing to stand your ground but its another to accuse others of going to hell or serving the (whore) You are acting in the capacity of the accuser of the brethern. And for a pretense calling it your love for people who doin't see it your way. You strike me as a (PHONY)………..gene

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