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Quote (chosenone @ Feb. 18 2009,19:40) NH.
There are no bible verses that say “One eternal gospel for all”. Yet you preach it. You and David are alike if you use that principle.
Not exactly, but the point is clear!Jud 1:3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mar 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
N I C K
WRONG THREAD. WRONG THREAD. WRONG THREAD.
T8, should not Nick be more responsible as far as rules are concerned than the rest of us?
T8, should Nick at least attempt to set an example in this?
t8, Despite my constant asking, Nick seems incapable of discussing the actual topic in this thread. I have explained that he is off topic many many many times.T8, I request that you destroy this thread, start another thread by the same name, and eliminate Nick from that particular conversation.
Thankyou.
Hi,
The Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Christ.[Jn14-16]
So those claiming personal inspiration who go beyond scripture are false teachers.[2Peter1]
To remain in fellowship with the Father and the Son we must abide in holy scripture.[2jn9]Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,15:26) Hi,
The Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Christ.[Jn14-16]
So those claiming personal inspiration who go beyond scripture are false teachers.[2Peter1]
To remain in fellowship with the Father and the Son we must abide in holy scripture.[2jn9]
nickvery true very true indeed ;so we should never question anything that is not using the same vocabulary of what we see in scriptures?
do not interpret with other words than those in scriptures so it remain always true or false depend on the translation?
keep your interpretation and comments to yourself if they do not fit the wording of scriptures ,they will have to be rejected for that very reason.?
Christ spirit as to reflect the scriptures disregarding the meaning in the long term,this is not scriptural is it ??Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,17:20) Hi T,
Keep studying the holy words till the morning star rises in your heart[2peter1. rev21]]
nickno answer to question and send me to school
you most be or have been a pastor ,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,18:36) CO, Nothing happens outside of the will of God.
And in context written to the saved the WE is the portion of mankind who have gained that inheritance.
NH.
You do err, you say “And in context written to the saved…”
These epistles of Paul, are written to the “ecclesia” the called out ones, refered to as the “Body of Christ”. And yes, they are saved, but scripture does not refer to these as “saved” in the context you use. These, the Body of Christ, will be taken away at His calling (1Thes.4:16-17) …16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
So Nick, in context with scripture, your reference using the words “to the saved”, is not correct, the remaining will be saved at the “consummation” when God will be All in all. (1Cor.15:28).In future do not refer to Pauls epistles as 'for the saved', this is not true, they are for the “ecclesia”. Use the context correctly.
David, Martian,
I hold with your exposition.
I support your posts.
David, I wanted to do something similar but realised that this is what would happen (Some have crept in unawares… and adulterated the doctrine!)
Nick, can you not relent against attacking David? What he has posted was not meant for argument, but Scripture based discussion.
He has asked you politely to take your argument elsewhere, why not respect his thread? How about starting your own 'Church of Nick' and attack his thread from there?
Nick, throughout the forum I have seen you post good responses, but they seem to be against the, um…, worst ideologies, and you prevail. Why are you now attacking one who says, 'Let us agree a Scripture backed, Holy Spirit revealed, God loving, Jesus led, personally honest and nonbiased' way forward?
Are you saying that this is not in accord with Jesus' way, expressing positive truth and exhorting love and appreciation for God's holy word and therefrom, the expectation and hope of Salvation and everlasting life through Christ, and ultimately, God Almighty?
CO. You have closed your mind to anything other than 'We will All be saved'
You have been shown many times here and in other threads, that you are mistaken in your interpretation of the verses you chose. Ha!, you Chose [the wrong] One. Your name is now 'Co, the wrong'!
It is the Chosen, The elected, The Faithful, who are being spoken of. And even they, INDIVIDUALLY within those groups, can fall away to their own will (Was Judas Iscariot picked knowing he would betray Jesus, or does the Scriptures say, 'such things must be, but woe unto him from whom these things come' and Jesus said of His elected disciples, 'ONE OF YOU will betray me!') and fail to receive the prize allocated to them 'from the beginning'.
Please use, in honest desire, the information and principles outlined by David, backed by Martian, and supported by me. I am JustAskin!
Nick,
I do not claim to be a JW so then how is it I can accept what David and Martian write.
Are they JW's. Your post is a little cryptic – please write plainly – I'm not that clever, really!
Quote (JustAskin @ April 23 2010,18:51) CO. You have closed your mind to anything other than 'We will All be saved' You have been shown many times here and in other threads, that you are mistaken in your interpretation of the verses you chose. Ha!, you Chose [the wrong] One. Your name is now 'Co, the wrong'!
It is the Chosen, The elected, The Faithful, who are being spoken of. And even they, INDIVIDUALLY within those groups, can fall away to their own will (Was Judas Iscariot picked knowing he would betray Jesus, or does the Scriptures say, 'such things must be, but woe unto him from whom these things come' and Jesus said of His elected disciples, 'ONE OF YOU will betray me!') and fail to receive the prize allocated to them 'from the beginning'.
Please use, in honest desire, the information and principles outlined by David, backed by Martian, and supported by me. I am JustAskin!
JA.
You have closed your mind to anything other than “only some will be saved, the rest will be eternally condemned”.Please show some examples of the scriptures quoted by others in this thread or others, that have shown me that I am mistaken, as you say. I'll await your examples.
Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ April 23 2010,18:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,18:36) CO, Nothing happens outside of the will of God.
And in context written to the saved the WE is the portion of mankind who have gained that inheritance.
NH.
You do err, you say “And in context written to the saved…”
These epistles of Paul, are written to the “ecclesia” the called out ones, refered to as the “Body of Christ”. And yes, they are saved, but scripture does not refer to these as “saved” in the context you use. These, the Body of Christ, will be taken away at His calling (1Thes.4:16-17) …16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
So Nick, in context with scripture, your reference using the words “to the saved”, is not correct, the remaining will be saved at the “consummation” when God will be All in all. (1Cor.15:28).In future do not refer to Pauls epistles as 'for the saved', this is not true, they are for the “ecclesia”. Use the context correctly.
Hi Jerry,The “air” is the [רוח] roo-akh (YHVH Breath=117) (2Thess.2:8) and the “Clouds” are the…
Heb.12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great “a cloud of witnesses”,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us (Isaiah 5:18-21),
and let us run with patience the (Christian) race that is set before us,1Thess.4:16-17 does NOT infer any 'phony rapture doctrine'!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed J.
Quote Heb.12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great “a cloud of witnesses”,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us (Isaiah 5:18-21),
and let us run with patience the (Christian) race that is set before us,The book of 'Hebrews', is wrtten to the Jews, the opening strain shows that this epistle is addressed to Israelites “whose are the fathers” (Ro. 9:5), and who alone had the oracles of God. What you put in brackets… (Christians) is not correct at the time it was written. Just to correct your underatanding.
Quote 1Thess.4:16-17 does NOT infer any 'phony rapture doctrine'!
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.I will copy 1Thes.4:15-18 from the “Concordant Version” that IMO is the most accurate translation (a literal word for word).
15 For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words.If you believe it is a “phoney rapture doctrine” that is your opinion, I do not agree. I would be intersted in what your understanding is of this, not useing “systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit”.
God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (JustAskin @ April 25 2010,20:38) Co,
I will invite other witnesses to attest to what I have said.
JA.
Of course, the easy way out, no commitment yourself.CO,
Is what I have written a bad thing.In any case, you yourself have seen the rebuffs so why do you ask me to prove it – just for the askin', perhaps.
If there were none that would mean everyone was agreeing with you – “Is there one beside [you] – I see NONE – no, not One!!!”
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