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Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
A DOOR WAS OPENED,FOR JOHN TO COME IN. IN HIS VISION.
Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
THIS IS GOD'S THRONE.
Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
GOD'S THRONE ALWAYS HAS A RAINBOW AROUND THE THRONE.
Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
TWENTY FOUR ELDERS IN HEAVEN WITH CROWNS OF GOLD ON THEIR HEADS.
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
THE SEVEN LAMPS ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SEND TO THE CHURCHES.Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
THE SEA OF GLASS LIKE CRYSTAL, IS PURE AND CLEAN
SURFACE BEFORE THE THRONE. THE FOUR BEASTS ARE
FOUR CHERUBIMS AROUND THE THRONE.Revelation 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
LION, POWER; CALF HUMBLE; MAN, KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLIGENTS; EAGLES CAN FLY,SOARE.
Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
EYES REPRESENT SPIRIT IN PROPHECY.
Revelation 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
Revelation 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
THE 24 ELDERS WORSHIPPED GOD.
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS,FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE AND NO ONE ELSE.
Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
THAT BOOK IS THE BOOK OF REVELATION,IN THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. EACH SEAL CONSISTS OF A PERIOD OF TIME,
IN HISTORY.STARTING WITH THE WHITE HORSE,ITS RIDER WITH A BOW.Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
NO MAN IN HEAVEN REFERRING TO THE 24 ELDERS.
Revelation 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Revelation 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
ONE OF THE ELDERS COULD BE PETER??
Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
WE KNOW THE LAMB. THE SEVEN HORNS REPRESENTS
JESUS SPIRIT OVER HIS SEVEN CHURCHES.
BUT THEY HAVE NOT TRULY FOLLOWED HIS SPIRIT.
ACCORDING TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES IN ASIA MINOR.Revelation 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
THE LAMB TOOK THE BOOK OF REVELATION OUT OF GOD'S RIGHT HAND.
THIS SAME BOOK IS THE LITTLE OPEN BOOK THAT JOHN IS TO EAT,AND PROPHECY IN ALL THE EARTH. (REV10:8–11).Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
THE BEASTS AND THE 24 ELDERS *WORSHIPPED* THE LAMB.
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
THEY SUNG A NEW SONG;NOT AS IT WERE A NEW SONG
(REV14).Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
THE RESURRECTED SAINTS WILL BE KINGS AND PRIESTS ON THE EARTH. IN THE THOUSAND YEAR KINGDOM.
RULING OVER THE JEWS THAT WERE BROUGHT BACK IN
THE FLESH.Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
BILLIONS OF ANGELS WORSHIPPING THE LAMB.
(ANGELS ARE NOT TO WORSHIP ANGELS OR ANY CREATED
BEING).Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
ALL CREATION ON EARTH WORSHIPPING GOD AND THE LAMB
Revelation 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
THE ELDERS WORSHIP THE ONE GOD;
WHAT ABOUT THE LAMB?
WHERE IS HE?
HE IS IN GOD, AND HE CAN BE OUT OF GOD.
HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.
HE IS PART OF GOD.SO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
GOD IS A SPIRIT,HE CAN BE IN ANY PLACE AT THE SAME TIME;ANY FORM;ANY SHAPE,ANYTHING.
THE HOLY SPIRIT *APPEARED* AS A DOVE.
BUT NOT NECESSARY A DOVE. JESUS APPEARED AS A
LAMB SLAIN. NOT NECESSARY A LAMB.wakeup.
Hi,
2Peter 1
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2014,05:23) Hi,
2Peter 1
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Nick.Showing that you can quote scriptures but
dont undertstand what it is saying.
Most of the time not related to topic at all.
Making a fool of yourself.
We are not not scripturally ignorant here.wakeup.
Hi,
Compare
Revelation 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.with Ez 1 describing the living throne
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.Also ez 10
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2014,14:47) Hi,
Compare
Revelation 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.with Ez 1 describing the living throne
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.Also ez 10
Nick.There are four called cherubims; and there are also four
called Seraphims.wakeup.
Hi,
From Chuck Missler-not that I follow him.“The twelve remaining tribes, excluding the Levites, were clustered into four “camps.” (5) Each of these groups, of three tribes each, were to rally around the tribal standard of the lead tribe.
Judah's tribal standard was, of course, the lion. Reuben's ensign was a man; Ephraim's the ox; Dan's, ultimately, the eagle.”
Hi,
From another site
“Neither the Mosaic law, nor the Old Testament generally, gives us any intimation as to the form or character of the standard (degel). According to rabbinical tradition, the standard of Judah bore the figure of a lion, that of Reuben the likeness of a man or of a man’s head, that of Ephraim the figure of an ox, and that of Dan the figure of an eagle; so that the four living creatures united in the cherubic forms described by Ezekiel were represented upon these four standards.7Jewish tradition says the “four standards” under which Israel encamped in the wilderness, to the east, Judah, to the north, Dan, to the west, Ephraim, to the south, Reuben, were respectively a lion, an eagle, an ox, and a man, while in the midst was the tabernacle containing the Shekinah symbol of the Divine Presence.8
The Talmud saw in these four creatures the four primary forms of life in God’s creation. It also noted that the twelve tribes of Israel camped under these four banners; some with Reuben (symbolized by a man), others with Dan (symbolized by an eagle), others with Ephraim (symbolized by the calf, or ox), and the rest with Judah (symbolized by a lion).9
The Jewish writers tell us, that the standard of each tribe of Israel took the colour of the stone which represented it in the high priest’s breastplate, and that there was wrought upon each a particular figure—a lion for Judah, a young ox for Ephraim, a man for Reuben, and an eagle for Dan.10
No further information is provided about the size, color or representation on these standards. Jewish tradition, however, does provide a clue to the way in which later generations of Jews viewed the standards. The Aramaic paraphrase of the Torah, called Targum Jonathan, and the ancient commentary on Numbers, called Bemidbar Rabbah, suggest that each tribe was assigned a color corresponding to the color of its respective stone in the high priest’s breastplate. Thus, the color of Dan would be blue because a sapphire is blue. The four standards, therefore, were composed of the colors of the three tribes of each triad. The tradition continues that each of the four standards depicted a living being. Judah’s animal was a lion, Reuben’s a man, Ephraim’s an ox and Dan’s an eagle. This tradition may have been influenced by the cherubim in Ezekiel’s vision who also had four faces (Ezek. 1:10; see also Rev. 4:7+). It should be emphasized that there is no solid biblical or historical basis for these descriptions of the standards. The Jewish tradition, however, does provide the most logical suggestion for their descriptions, particularly in the case of Judah and Ephraim (see Gen. 49:9 and Deu. 33:17).11″
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2014,06:22) Hi,
From another site
“Neither the Mosaic law, nor the Old Testament generally, gives us any intimation as to the form or character of the standard (degel). According to rabbinical tradition, the standard of Judah bore the figure of a lion, that of Reuben the likeness of a man or of a man’s head, that of Ephraim the figure of an ox, and that of Dan the figure of an eagle; so that the four living creatures united in the cherubic forms described by Ezekiel were represented upon these four standards.7Jewish tradition says the “four standards” under which Israel encamped in the wilderness, to the east, Judah, to the north, Dan, to the west, Ephraim, to the south, Reuben, were respectively a lion, an eagle, an ox, and a man, while in the midst was the tabernacle containing the Shekinah symbol of the Divine Presence.8
The Talmud saw in these four creatures the four primary forms of life in God’s creation. It also noted that the twelve tribes of Israel camped under these four banners; some with Reuben (symbolized by a man), others with Dan (symbolized by an eagle), others with Ephraim (symbolized by the calf, or ox), and the rest with Judah (symbolized by a lion).9
The Jewish writers tell us, that the standard of each tribe of Israel took the colour of the stone which represented it in the high priest’s breastplate, and that there was wrought upon each a particular figure—a lion for Judah, a young ox for Ephraim, a man for Reuben, and an eagle for Dan.10
No further information is provided about the size, color or representation on these standards. Jewish tradition, however, does provide a clue to the way in which later generations of Jews viewed the standards. The Aramaic paraphrase of the Torah, called Targum Jonathan, and the ancient commentary on Numbers, called Bemidbar Rabbah, suggest that each tribe was assigned a color corresponding to the color of its respective stone in the high priest’s breastplate. Thus, the color of Dan would be blue because a sapphire is blue. The four standards, therefore, were composed of the colors of the three tribes of each triad. The tradition continues that each of the four standards depicted a living being. Judah’s animal was a lion, Reuben’s a man, Ephraim’s an ox and Dan’s an eagle. This tradition may have been influenced by the cherubim in Ezekiel’s vision who also had four faces (Ezek. 1:10; see also Rev. 4:7+). It should be emphasized that there is no solid biblical or historical basis for these descriptions of the standards. The Jewish tradition, however, does provide the most logical suggestion for their descriptions, particularly in the case of Judah and Ephraim (see Gen. 49:9 and Deu. 33:17).11″
Nick.You can follow Chuck if you want,its up to you.
But the Cherubims, and the Seraphims, are created before
the earth was. And so were the angels.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2014,20:01) Hi WU,
No interest in following Chuck or you.Yep the angels were there
Jb 38.7
Nick.Good; that is your personal choice.
You follow what the spirit in you says.I have never ask anyone anywhere, to follow me.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2014,20:47) Hi WU,
We have only one option
Call no man rabbi
Nick.Jesus is my rabbi.
You disagree?
wakeup.
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Hi J42,
False teachings put at risk the salvation of the chosen ones.
Be careful to stay within the teachings[2jn9]Nick
How can false teachings put the chosen ones at risk?
Present a case worthy of attention.All who have the spirit of truth, who have done their homework, in seeking the scriptures can be THE ONLY ONES not affected by false doctrine.
But you say we don't need knowledge, just grace. So it is those ones who are like minded as yourself that are at risk.
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Are you abiding in the doctrine of Christ? Are you not daily preaching his word yet doing the opposite? Accusing your brethren of what? false doctrine? What false doctrine? Let your reasons be known. Show us the difference between the truth and a lie.
2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.I've never heard you quote these scriptures.
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