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theodorej There are several post that deal with preexisting of Jesus. Since I have Arthritis in my Hands so bad I will only give you the scriptures, that proves is.
Col,1:15-16-17
Col.1:18 tells you that He was the firstborn of the dead, so in all He nay have preeminence, meaning He is first in all.
Peace and Love Mrs.
John 1:1 The Word was God and the Word was with God, and the Word became flesh.
Rev.3:14
John 17:5 Glorify me with the Glory I had with you before the world was. Look at the preexisting tread there are more post on this subject.Jesus is more than an afterthought due to Adam's rebellion. God made all things for him and through him.
Jesus is the reason that there is a creation and the reason that we exist.
If Jesus didn't exist, then neither would we.
He is the life, and he is the only mediator between God and man.
He is also the image of the invisible God, so to say that he didn't exist 2000 years ago, means that no one has seen God or the greatest glory of God before then. So for 14 billion or more years the angels never saw the image of the invisible God. They only saw themselves as the highest revelation of God.
Saying that Jesus came into existence for the first time 2000 years ago, not only contradicts many scriptures, but it is also quite ludicrous when we consider that he is the image of the invisible God. Makes you wonder how creation got by pre-2000 years ago.
Quote (t8 @ May 18 2008,11:44) Jesus is more than an afterthought due to Adam's rebellion. God made all things for him and through him. Jesus is the reason that there is a creation and the reason that we exist.
If Jesus didn't exist, then neither would we.
He is the life, and he is the only mediator between God and man.
He is also the image of the invisible God, so to say that he didn't exist 2000 years ago, means that no one has seen God or the greatest glory of God before then. So for 14 billion or more years the angels never saw the image of the invisible God. They only saw themselves as the highest revelation of God.
Saying that Jesus came into existence for the first time 2000 years ago, not only contradicts many scriptures, but it is also quite ludicrous when we consider that he is the image of the invisible God. Makes you wonder how creation got by pre-2000 years ago.
Greetings t8…..In principle you are correct….Jesus preexisted as the WORD and the Word was God…And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us(Jesus)…The person (fleshly human)that we know as Jesus was the first of the many Godly creations the Eternal intends to create..The Eternal has such a great plan for mankind and it manefests in us once we attain the mind of Christ Jesus…Quote (theodorej @ May 18 2008,08:41) Quote (t8 @ May 18 2008,11:44) Jesus is more than an afterthought due to Adam's rebellion. God made all things for him and through him. Jesus is the reason that there is a creation and the reason that we exist.
If Jesus didn't exist, then neither would we.
He is the life, and he is the only mediator between God and man.
He is also the image of the invisible God, so to say that he didn't exist 2000 years ago, means that no one has seen God or the greatest glory of God before then. So for 14 billion or more years the angels never saw the image of the invisible God. They only saw themselves as the highest revelation of God.
Saying that Jesus came into existence for the first time 2000 years ago, not only contradicts many scriptures, but it is also quite ludicrous when we consider that he is the image of the invisible God. Makes you wonder how creation got by pre-2000 years ago.
Greetings t8…..In principle you are correct….Jesus preexisted as the WORD and the Word was God…And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us(Jesus)…The person (fleshly human)that we know as Jesus was the first of the many Godly creations the Eternal intends to create..The Eternal has such a great plan for mankind and it manefests in us once we attain the mind of Christ Jesus…
Hi Theodorej,
Do you believe that once you attain the mind of Christ, you will be equal to Him?Just curious
Greetings Lightenup…….I could never be equal….Jesus is the Alpha & Omega there is nothing or no one in between….I would think that Gods plan for us in the final analysis is that we would be God like….That is to say we will be sin free and in the spirit realm…
Quote (theodorej @ May 19 2008,08:21) Greetings Lightenup…….I could never be equal….Jesus is the Alpha & Omega there is nothing or no one in between….I would think that Gods plan for us in the final analysis is that we would be God like….That is to say we will be sin free and in the spirit realm…
Hi Theodorej,
I am glad to read that you don't think that you will be equal to Jesus. Thanks for your answer.Quote (theodorej @ May 20 2008,00:21) Greetings Lightenup…….I could never be equal….Jesus is the Alpha & Omega there is nothing or no one in between….I would think that Gods plan for us in the final analysis is that we would be God like….That is to say we will be sin free and in the spirit realm…
Hi TJ,
It is God who is the alpha and omega.
The multiple speakers in Revelation does indeed challenge.
Jesus needs hands and eyes and feet to continue his work till he returns.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2008,08:51) Quote (theodorej @ May 20 2008,00:21) Greetings Lightenup…….I could never be equal….Jesus is the Alpha & Omega there is nothing or no one in between….I would think that Gods plan for us in the final analysis is that we would be God like….That is to say we will be sin free and in the spirit realm…
Hi TJ,
It is God who is the alpha and omega.
The multiple speakers in Revelation does indeed challenge.
Jesus needs hands and eyes and feet to continue his work till he returns.
Greetings Nick…..A note worthy response indeed…My thinking runs along the lines that the Eternal IS…IAM that IAM..where the ALPHA and OMEGA would suggest a beginning that conceivebly has no end….Hi TJ,
God is the ever living one and the source of all life.
Jesus was only written to be before Abraham and David and John.
He is from the beginning, from everlastingQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2008,10:05) Hi TJ,
God is the ever living one and the source of all life.
Jesus was only written to be before Abraham and David and John.
He is from the beginning, from everlasting
Nick….When you speak of multiple voices in Revalation,are you suggesting some cofusion in the message or confusion in the interpretation….I would think if there is confusion in the interpretation,the message would be the same….It would just involve alot of in depth research…Hi All
The Alpha, beginning, and Omega, the end, refer to Jesus. He was the first and the last God created personally. He is the beginning of God's creation.
Rev. 3:14 “… These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.”
We know that everything else was created through Jesus.
Col. 1:15 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth…”
Jesus is the created son of God. The Apostle John is the only one who refers to him as the “Word” of the O.T., because he was the one that spoke for God. Jesus himself told us, no one ever heard the Fathers voice, at any time.
John 5:37 “…Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.”
TM4Truth
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2006,10:38) Yes I believe so Woutlaw.
Rev 1.8
“…says the Lord God…” shows that it is a quote from God Himself.
agreedQuote (dirtyknections @ June 30 2008,14:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2006,10:38) Yes I believe so Woutlaw.
Rev 1.8
“…says the Lord God…” shows that it is a quote from God Himself.
agreed
Nobody has heard His voice or seen Him. Only the one who came from Heaven who was His first creation Jeus Christ has seen Him.
So that is false that Rev. 1:8 is God the Almighty speaking. It is Jesus. Think about it, the Father God had no beginning. But Jesus or the Word who then became flesh and is called Jesus. So He was the beginning of the creation of God. Rev. 3:14
Peace and Love Irene
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