Revelation 17:9-11 explained

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  • #850057
    Ed J
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    The dome of the rock mosque (the abomination of desolation)
    to the kabba (the image of the beast) in Mecca is 666 nautical miles.

    “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
    for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” (Rev 13:18)

    The number of miles from the dome of the rock, to the image of the beast, in Mecca, is 666 nautical miles.

    “And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, ………. nautical miles
    18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!” (Rev 18:17-18) .. kabba in Mecca burns

    #850058
    Ed J
    Participant

    If you believe that T8, you must also believe the false prophet to be connected to islam

    It as because of Muhammad than the dome of the rock mosque was built. you do realize that? Yes?

    And what about the fire cooming down in the sight of men. This was prophetic about Muhammad’s quran

    #850059
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Well yes, I think that is very possible.

    #850060
    Ed J
    Participant

    It may be true God may not be very happy with Catholicism,
    But Christianity is at war with islam, NOT Catholicism .

    And what about these verses, what religion do they point to?

    “I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for
    the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image” (Rev 20:4)

    “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
    He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

    #850061
    Ed J
    Participant

    T8

    Look at Gal 1:8, and 2Cor 11:14, about Muhammad’s beginning and his end.
    And look again at Rev 13:13, which written about Muhammad and his quran.

    Compare Rev 13:13 to:

    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD;
    and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
    30 Therefore, behold, I against the prophets, saith the LORD,
    that steal my words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I against
    the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.” (Jer 23:29-31)

    Please watch this video:

    (in this video Dr. Robert Morey shows how the false prophet Muhammad
    stole the words of his neighbors and put them in his quran)

    #850062
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    As I said, I think Islam fits like a glove.

    And Catholicism fits as the harlot. However, it could also be false religion as a whole because each head of the beast had a different religion of some kind from the Egyptians to the Ottomans. These religions made the world drunk.

    I don’t see Catholicism as the beast or one of the heads, but I am not ruling it out either.

    #850063
    Ed J
    Participant

    Muhammad’s beginning:

    “though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
    unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel
    unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”(Galatians 1:8-9)

    Muhammad’s god and Muhammad’s end:

    “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as
    the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Cor 11:14-15)\

    Muhammad died eating poison lamb

    #850064
    Berean
    Participant

    Little children, this is the last time. And since you have heard that the Antichrist will come, there are already many Antichrists, which lets us know that this is the last time.

    They went out from us, but they were not with us;

    for if they had been with us, they would probably have stayed with us; but they went out,

    so that it might be made manifest that they were not all with us.

     

    Islamists are not
    from the ranks of the early Christians.
    Muhammad formed his own false religion and spread it everywhere.

    Antichrists come from true Christians and have perverted true Christianity .

    Daniel 8:11

    Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host

    (JESUS CHRIST IS THE PRINCE OF THE HOST)

    , and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
    [12] And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

    DANIEL 7

    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    1260 YEARS (538  TO 1798)

    PERVERSION OF LAW
    OF GOD IS THE WORK
    OF THE ANTICHRIST.

     

    To support that read this:

    And God bless.

    WHO CHANGED THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY?
    There can be no doubt that Christ, His disciples, and the first-century Christians kept Saturday, the seventh-day Sabbath. Yet, today, most of the Christian professing world keeps Sunday, the first day of the week, calling it the Sabbath. Who made this change, and how did it occur?
    No serious student of the Scriptures can deny that God instituted the Sabbath at creation and designated the seventh day to be kept holy. “And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made” (Genesis 2:2–3). It was later codified as the Fourth Commandment (Exodus 20:8–11).

    The Word of God makes it expressly clear that Sabbath observance is a special sign or “mark” between God and His people. There is also no uncertainty that Christ, His disciples, and the first-century Christians kept the seventh-day Sabbath as commanded—the day we now call “Saturday” (Mark 2:28; Luke 4:16).

    Is There Any Biblical Support for Sunday Observance?

    There is absolutely no New Testament text stating that God, Jesus, or the apostles changed the Sabbath to Sunday—not a text, not a word, not even a hint or suggestion. If there were, those chapters and verses would be loudly heralded by Sabbath opposers. Had Paul or any other apostle taught a change from Sabbath to Sunday, the first day of the week, an absolute firestorm of protest would have arisen from conservative Jewish Christians. The Pharisees and scribes would have insisted that Paul or any other person even suggesting such a thing be stoned to death for the sin of Sabbath-breaking. This would have been a much larger issue than the controversy over circumcision!

    The self-righteous Pharisees had already falsely accused Christ of breaking the Sabbath because He violated the added man-made rules and traditions they placed upon the Sabbath (Mark 2:24). The total absence of any such controversy over a change in the day of worship is one of the best evidences showing the apostles and other New Testament Christians did not change the day. On the contrary, we have a record of many Sabbaths that Paul and his traveling companions kept long after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Read of them in your own Bible in Acts 13:14, 27, 42–44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; and 18:4. Acts 13:42–44 is especially significant in that Paul and Barnabas, when speaking at a Jewish synagogue, were invited to speak again the next Sabbath. This would have been Paul’s golden opportunity to tell the people to meet with him the next day rather than waiting a whole week for the Sabbath. But, “on the next Sabbath almost the whole city [Jews and Gentiles alike] gathered to hear the word of the Lord.”

    Yet today, most of the Christian professing world keeps Sunday, the first day of the week, calling it the Sabbath. The question arises then, who changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and how did it occur? The answer may amaze you!

    Biblical Testimony

    The New Testament plainly shows we are to continue keeping the commandments (Mathew 5:17–18; 19:17; 28:20)—all ten of them. Where, then, do men get the “authority” to change the Fourth Commandment by substituting Sunday for the original Sabbath Christ and the apostles kept?

    The Bible prophesied many centuries earlier that the time would come when men would think to change times and laws (Daniel 7:25). Many Bible prophecies are “dual” in nature—that is, they have a type and antitype, an earlier and a later fulfillment. Though speaking specifically of the soon-coming antichrist, we can see the forerunner type documented in history.

    The Watering Down of the Sabbath in the First 300 Years

    The Christians during the apostolic era, from about 35 to 100 A.D., kept Sabbath on the designated seventh day of the week. For the first 300 years of Christian history, when the Roman emperors regarded themselves as gods, Christianity became an “illegal religion,” and God’s people were scattered abroad (Acts 8:1). Judaism, however, was regarded at that time as “legal,” as long as they obeyed Roman laws. Thus, during the apostolic era, Christians found it convenient to let the Roman authorities think of them as Jews, which gained them legitimacy with the Roman government. However, when the Jews rebelled against Rome, the Romans put down their rebellion by destroying Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and again in A.D. 135. Obviously, the Roman government’s suppression of the Jews made it increasingly uncomfortable for Christians to be thought of as Jewish. At that time, Sunday was the rest day of the Roman Empire, whose religion was Mithraism, a form of sun worship. Since Sabbath observance is visible to others, some Christians in the early second century sought to distance themselves from Judaism by observing a different day, thus “blending in” to the society around them.

    During the Empire-wide Christian persecutions under Nero, Maximin, Diocletian, and Galerius, Sabbath-keeping Christians were hunted down, tortured, and, for sport, often used for entertainment in the Colisseum.

    Constantine Made Sunday a Civil Rest Day

    When Emperor Constantine I—a pagan sun-worshipper—came to power in A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday-keeping law. His infamous Sunday enforcement law of March 7, A.D. 321, reads as follows: “On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.)

    The Sunday law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The Council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed, “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 [Edinburgh, 1876] 316).

    Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.”

    Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

    “Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

    “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act… And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).

    The Catholic Church claims that “the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).

    What a shocking admission!

    A Prophecy Come to Pass!

    At this point we need to note an amazing prophecy. Daniel 7:25 foretold, “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws.” Quoting Daniel 7:25, Adam Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible says:

    “He shall speak great words against the Most High] Literally, Sermones quasi Deus loquetur; “He shall speak as if he were God.” So Jerome quotes from Symmachus. To none can this apply so well or so fully as to the popes of Rome. They have assumed infallibility, which belongs only to God. They profess to forgive sins, which belongs only to God. They profess to open and shut heaven, which belongs only to God. They profess to be higher than all the kings of the earth, which belongs only to God. And they go beyond God in pretending to loose whole nations from their oath of allegiance to their kings, when such kings do not please them! And they go against God when they give indulgences for sin. This is the worst of all blasphemies!

    And shall wear out the saints] By wars, crusades, massacres, inquisitions, and persecutions of all kinds. What in this way have they not done against all those who have protested against their innovations, and refused to submit to their idolatrous worship? Witness the exterminating crusades published against the Waldenses and Albigenses. Witness John Huss, and Jerome of Prague. Witness the Smithfield fires in England! Witness God and man against this bloody, persecuting, ruthless, and impure Church!

    And think to change times and laws] Appointing fasts and feasts; canonizing persons whom he chooses to call saints; granting pardons and indulgences for sins; instituting new modes of worship utterly unknown to the Christian Church; new articles of faith; new rules of practice; and reversing, with pleasure, the laws both of God and man.­–Dodd” (Emphasis his; Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible, Volume IV, p. 594).

    Who Changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

    Your Bible says, “But in vain [uselessness] they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7).

    Further, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word [the Bible], it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).

    “Prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Catholic Church alone. The Catholic Church says, by my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church” (Thomas Enright, CSSR, President, Redemptorist College [Roman Catholic], Kansas City, MO, Feb. 18, 1884).

    “The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ. The Pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ” (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop).

    It is a matter of Biblical and secular history that God never changed His holy Sabbath or transferred its solemnity to Sunday. Who did?

    Rome, in concert with the Roman Catholic Church, changed Sabbath to Sunday!

    What will you believe? Whom will you follow? The God of your Bible—or the traditions of men?

    The choice, dear reader, is yours.

     

    #850065
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Beaean.

    1260 YEARS (538  TO 1798)

    Briefly, what is the event for each year that convinces you that this fulfills the 1260 day prophecy?

    #850070
    Berean
    Participant

    T8

     

    Hi

     

    Excuse me but it is all…the subject

     

    God bless

     

    The 1260 Years Begin with the Implementation of Emperor Justinian’s Decree

    Arian Ostrogoths under Theodoric had controlled Italy since 493, and had even imprisoned Pope John I, who died in Ostrogoth custody in Ravenna in 526. Catholic Emperor Justinian, who began waging open war with the Arians in the 530s, declared the Bishop of Rome the head of all Christian churches in 533, and commissioned his General Belisarius to destroy the Arian Vandals and Ostrogoths. The Vandals were defeated in 534 in the battle of Tricamarum. Turning his attention to the Ostrogoths, General Belisarius took Rome in December of 536, and under the direction of Emperor Justinian, deposed and exiled Pope Silverius who had been installed by the last Ostrogoth King of Italy, Theodahad, who had terrorized the clergy into electing his pro-Gothic candidate. Silverius died a prisoner. Belisarius installed Vigilius, a confidant of Empress Theodora, as the Bishop of Rome in March of 537. In quick reply, the Ostrogoths rallied and laid siege to Rome. When the siege was finally broken by General Belisarius in March of 538, the Ostrogoths withdrew from Rome in defeat, leaving it in the Emperor’s control, and Vigilius as the Bishop of Rome (who reigned until 555 A.D.). So it was in 538 A.D. that Emperor   Justinian’s Decree of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome over the Church could actually be implemented, beginning the prophetic 1260 years of temporal rule by the papacy.

    Pope Pius IX gave this remarkable testimony:

    La Chiesa Cattolica fondata e istituita da Cristo Signore per provvedere alla salvezza eterna degli uomini, avendo conseguito, in forza della sua divina istituzione, la forma di società perfetta, deve godere, nell’esercizio del suo sacro ministero, di quella libertà che la sottrae alla soggezione di qualsivoglia potere civile.

    Poiché per operare liberamente, come era necessario, doveva fruire di quei supporti che rispondevano alle condizioni e alle esigenze dei tempi, per una speciale disposizione della divina Provvidenza avvenne che, quando l’Impero Romano si dissolse e fu diviso in vari regni, il Romano Pontefice, costituito da Cristo capo e centro di tutta la Chiesa, ottenne un Principato civile.

    Questo fu disposto con somma sapienza da Dio stesso, perché in mezzo ad una tale moltitudine e varietà di sovrani temporali, il Sommo Pontefice disponesse di quella libertà politica che era indispensabile per esercitare, senza alcun impedimento, il suo potere spirituale, la sua autorità e la sua giurisdizione sul mondo intero. − Pius IX, Apostolic Letter Cum Catholica Ecclesia, March 26, 1860.

     

    The Catholic Church which was founded and instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ to procure the eternal salvation of men, has, by reason of this divine institution, the form of a perfect society. Therefore, she must possess liberty such that she cannot be subject to any civil power in the execution of her sacred ministry.

    To act with freedom, as it is just she should, she has always needed the assistance which was suitable to the conditions and the necessities of the age. It is, therefore, by a particular decree of Divine Providence that, at the fall of the Roman Empire and its partition into separate kingdoms, the Roman Pontiff, whom Christ made the head and center of his entire Church, acquired civil power.

    Certainly, it was by a most wise design of God Himself that in the midst of so great a multitude and variety of temporal princes, the Sovereign Pontiff enjoyed political liberty, which is so necessary for him to exercise his spiritual power, his authority, and his jurisdiction over the whole world.
    Source: Papal Teachings: The Church, selected and arranged by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, translated by Mother E. O’Gorman, R.S.C.J., Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart, St. Paul Editions, Boston, © 1980, 1962 by Daughters of St. Paul, Library of Congress catalog card number 62-12454, par. #225,   page 160.

    See also:   Early Church Fathers on the Timing of the Rise of Antichrist.

    The 1260 Years End with a Head Wound to Papal Power

    The “head wound” to papal power was inflicted in 1798 when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799.

    … when the French general L. Duphot was killed in a riot in Rome the Directory ordered the occupation of the papal states. On 15 Feb. 1798 General Louis Berthier entered Rome, proclaimed the Roman Republic and the deposition of Pius as head of state, and forced him to withdraw to Tuscany. For several months he lived at the charterhouse at Florence, cut off from almost all his advisers, but able to use the nuncio to Florence as secretary of state. The Directory planned to banish him to Sardinia, but his precarious health ruled that out. When war broke out afresh, fearful of attempts to rescue him, it had him conveyed from Florence (28 Mar. 1799) via Turin across the Alps to Briancon (30 Apr.) and then Valence (13 July). He died a prisoner in the citadel there, and was buried in the local cemetery; his body was then transferred to St. Peter’s, in Rome, in Feb. 1802.
    Source: The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, by J. N. D. Kelly, Copyright 1986, published by Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-282085-0, page 302.

    [p. 439]                          EXTINCTION OF THE PAPACY

    The object of the French directory was the destruction of the pontifical government, as the irreconcilable enemy of the republic. They urged their general to drive the pope and cardinals out of Rome. Bonaparte proposed to give the Eternal City to the King of Spain, on condition of his recognizing the French republic. Failing in this, he resorted to a system of pillage which exhausted its resources, and finally a democratical demonstration was got up at Rome in the accustomed manner, in which one of the French envoys was killed by the fire of pontifical troops. This misfortune afforded the desired pretext. The French army pouring in under Berthier planted the tri-color on the Capitol, while their Roman confederates displaying the famous insignia, S. P. Q. R., shouted for liberty. The aged pope [Pius VI] was summoned to surrender the temporal government; on his refusal, he was dragged from the altar, and the soldiers plundered the Vatican in presence of its owner. They stripped his own chamber: when he asked to be left to die in peace, he was brutally answered that any place would serve to die in. His rings were torn from his fingers, and finally, after declaring the temporal power abolished, the victors carried

    [p. 440]                     DECLINE AND FALL OF THE PAPACY

    the pope prisoner into Tuscany, whence he never returned (1798).
    The Papal States, converted into the Roman Republic, were declared to be in perpetual alliance with France, but the French general was the real master at Rome. The citizens groaned under his terrible exactions, Churches, convents, palaces, were stripped to the bare walls. The works of art were all carried off. The territorial possessions of the clergy and monks were declared national property, and their former owners cast into prison. The papacy was extinct: not a vestige of its existence remained; and among all the Roman Catholic powers not a finger was stirred in its defence. The Eternal City had no longer prince or pontiff; its bishop was a dying captive in foreign lands; and the decree was already announced that no successor would be allowed in his place.
    Source: Rome: From the Fall of the Western Empire by Rev. George Trevor, M.A., London: The Religious Tract Society, 1868, pgs. 439, 440.

    See also   The Deadly Wound of Revelation 13:3 for more details.

    Wound Heals and Papal Power is Restored

    Napoleon had closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy, it’s power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it’s own right in the   Lateran Treaty. Today the Vatican (a church), has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world.

    #850071
    Berean
    Participant

    Biblelight. net

    #850072
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi Berean.

    Ed J said the following which is really simple to understand. I wonder if you can compile your view into something this simple.

    The Beast (islam) took over the holy land when the ‘abomination of desolation’ was set up in 688 AD and his rule
    (over the holy land) ended when Israel took back over the holy land in 1948, which is exactly what happened!

    688 + 1,260 years (of ruling the holy land) = 1948

     

    #850074
    Ed J
    Participant

    Can we agree that 42 months of Prophecy equals 1,260 Years.

    Yes or No ?

    Ed j

    Yes 42 prophetic months equivalent
    to 1260 real years.
    1 month=30 days=30 years
    30 years X 42 = 1260 years

    Ed J said the following which is really simple to understand.

    The Beast (islam) took over the holy land when the ‘abomination of desolation’
    was set up in 688 AD and his rule (over the holy land) ended when Israel
    took back over the holy land in 1948, which is exactly what happened!

    688 + 1,260 years (of ruling the holy land) = 1948

    Hi T8 and Berean,

    It can also easily be seen that these two verses are referring to the same event:

    “and power (over the Holy Land) was given unto him to continue forty and two months” (Rev 13:5)
    “And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
    that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Rev 12:6)

    Then Israel (the woman that fled) returned from the wilderness retaking possession of her land

    #850075
    Ed J
    Participant

    where does the Papacy fit here?

    #850076
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8…..what does a harlot do,  she sales herself for money.   What do people in this world do, they sale themselves for money , that is what the Babyloian System of rule does,  We all have been partakers of it, even God’s people,  but we are told to come out of her my people,  that we receive not of her plagues. Get it?,   it is not talking about a church,  but a economic system of rule the whole world is under.

    People are made slaves, seeking riches, and some are made rich,  read Rev 18:1-24 , IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY RELIGION, BUT HOW THE WORLD FUNCTIONS ECONOMICALLY and the effect that has on them.   read it for yourself, and come back and tell us how does any religion fit into that. 

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #850079
    Berean
    Participant

    ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

    DANIEL 9

    And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

     

    Matt.24
    [1] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    [2] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    Clearly Jesus was speaking of the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem

     

    AFTER THAT

    [3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying,Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    A)Tell us, when shall these things be?

    B)and what shall be the sign of thy coming,

    C) … and of the end of the world?

    ……..

    A) when shall these things be?

    When the disciples say this, they are thinking about the temple in Jerusalem for sure… but not only;

    [4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

     

    WHY HE SPEAK FIRST OF THIS?

     

    Why didn’t he answer
    about the destruction of the temple?

    But maybe his first answer is about the destruction of the temple?

    and/or the sign of his coming

    and/or the end of the world

    About the temple’s destruction

    and certainly( B andC )what else does he say, apart Take heed that no man deceive you.”

    [5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    [6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    [8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    [9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
    [10] And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    [11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    [12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    [13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    [14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

     

    Ouf…

     

    THEN

    [15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    Here

    What’s Jesus talking about?
    A: – Destruction of the temple

    B: -sign of his coming?

    C: end of the world?

    For my, -it can be for the 3

    but

    surely  the destruction of the temple cause Jesus started talking about it first.

    It was going to be the worst of this
    that the Jewish nation was going to have to endure 30 years after Jesus’ speech.

    In Daniel we read

    [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
    [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    we see in Verse 26; it is telling us that because
    of the rejection of ‘Messiah’ the Prince, the city and temple
    would be destroyed. This finally occurred in AD 70, but no
    Christians perished in that siege because they believed the
    warning Jesus had given, recorded in Matthew 24. Thus
    they fled from the city, when they saw the signal Jesus told
    them to watch for, before the final siege happened.

     

    warning Jesus had given,

    Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    [17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    [18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    [19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    [20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

     

    It is not finished

    ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

    HAVE A SECOND APLLICATION

     

    THE FIRST WAS WITH PAGAN ROME

    THE SECOND WILL BE WITH THE RETURN OF PAPAL ROME(8 TH KING)

     

    Until then

    God bless

    #850080
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    T8…..what does a harlot do,  she sales herself for money.

    Prostitutes herself before other gods. A virgin is betrothed to one.

    #850081
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.

    – Albert Einstein.

    #850082
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8……It is not talking about a religion at all. It’s talking about what the whole world does, by selling themselves to Gain wealth, the whole world is involved in this. That’s how BABYLON RULES through world economics,  and milatary powers. Nothing to do with religions of this world at all.

    Read it for yourself ,  Rev 18:1-24 , spells it out clearly.  Read it and think about it.  “you people are not seeing the forest because of the trees”.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #850085
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean. …..the abomination of deselation took place in 70 AD , after the Messiah,  Jesus Christ was cut off for the Sins of the people.

    The reason Jesus was talking about those thing is because the deciples ask him about them, that did not mean the were to happen at the same time as fasely assumed . Please notice this, Matthew and Mark  both mention the abomination of deselation,  but also notice in the gospel of John and Luke there is no mention of the abomination of deselation,  why is that?

    Because Matthew and Mark  were written around 10 AD and it hadn’t happened yet, but Luke and John was written after 70 AD,  after the abomination of deselation happened and therefore they didn’t need to mention it, Seening it had alread happened.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

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