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j42 you are seeing things that are not there

Pierre, I am not looking at what is not there, but what is there.

John 5:23   That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Would you honour a king, the same way you honour God?
How are we supposed to honour God?

[terraricca]

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Quote j42 honor is not worshiping equally we honor many to who calls for honor give honor says Paul and yes we have to HONOR GOD AND CHRIST BUT NOT WORSHIP THEM JEHOVAH GOD WILL BE WORSHIP AS SUPREME GOD AND FATHER WHILE HIS CREATED SON WILL BE HONORED FOR HIS OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHER AND SO GIVE US LIVE JUST AS AN AMBASSADOR IS HONORED AS HE REPRESENT THE KING IN HIS COUNTRY Pierre God is mentioned here now. Does God just want us to “honour” him, as we would a king, or does he require our full “worship” Matthew 22:37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Would you call this just “honour”?  Know what is expected of us first, then we can understand the scripture. John 5:23   That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

j42

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God is mentioned here now. Does God just want us to “honour” him, as we would a king, or does he require our full “worship”

we cannot just take one scripture and follow it by ignoring all the other scriptures ,

and we also have to understand what Christ is saying in that verse ,

so I GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS

[Wakeup]

T.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty ***and the Lamb are the temple of it***.

What do you do in the temple?
Worship right?
Now; which one do you worship,and which one do you honour?

wakeup.

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Worship and/or honour God because he is God and the Lamb because he is the lamb who laid his life down for us.

Worship and honour is not exclusively for God. Yes worshipping God is exclusively for God.

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

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I have added two more videos to this series in the first post.

[Wakeup]

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Worship and/or honour God because he is God and the Lamb because he is the lamb who laid his life down for us. Worship and honour is not exclusively for God. Yes worshipping God is exclusively for God. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

T8.

That's true; the gentiles will worship them that is a jew,
because of their close relationship with God.
But not worship them as they worship God and the Lamb.
We can decern between the two kinds of worship.

God and the Lamb/Word of God,sits on the same throne.
We worship God and His own Word.
We Worship ONE GOD.

wakeup.

[Proclaimer]

Correct.

• Jews worshipped as Jews.
• The Lamb worshipped as the Lamb.
• God worshipped as God.

Why is Jesus God according to the word 'worship'? Because Jesus is worshipped as the Lamb and as the son of God in scripture.

This argument about the word worship is not proof that Jesus is God is it?

[Proclaimer]

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God and the Lamb/Word of God,sits on the same throne. We worship God and His own Word. We Worship ONE GOD.

Jesus sits with the Father on his throne and we can sit with Jesus on his throne.

There is nothing in this that proves that Jesus is God. If so, then are we Jesus if we can sit with him on his throne?

No. Again, this is no proof that Jesus is God.

Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,16:54) God and the Lamb/Word of God,sits on the same throne. We worship God and His own Word. We Worship ONE GOD. Jesus sits with the Father on his throne and we can sit with Jesus on his throne. There is nothing in this that proves that Jesus is God. If so, then are we Jesus if we can sit with him on his throne? No. Again, this is no proof that Jesus is God. Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

T8.

But I have never said that Jesus is God.
He is always the Word of God.
A living Word.

wakeup.

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Okay. It looked as if you were saying that or arguing for it.

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 03 2014,21:43) I posted a couple of comments under the fourth YouTube video (on the YouTube site). 1) Jesus is not worshipped as God, but as the lamb and the son of God. The same word 'proskuneo' is given of men too. Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the ONLY true God, AND Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. These are the words of eternal life. Not to be taken lightly. 2) He is worshipped as the lamb and as the son of God. “And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” “”To Him who sits on the throne, AND to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”…” Right; And who is this lamb with all the glory?? I will not give my glory to another. Beside me there is no saviour. wakeup.

So what exactly was the point of this post?

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2014,10:23) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 03 2014,21:43) I posted a couple of comments under the fourth YouTube video (on the YouTube site). 1) Jesus is not worshipped as God, but as the lamb and the son of God. The same word 'proskuneo' is given of men too. Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know the ONLY true God, AND Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. These are the words of eternal life. Not to be taken lightly. 2) He is worshipped as the lamb and as the son of God. “And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” “”To Him who sits on the throne, AND to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”…” Right; And who is this lamb with all the glory?? I will not give my glory to another. Beside me there is no saviour. wakeup. So what exactly was the point of this post?

T8.

The point is that the Lamb is God's own Word.
God and his word are one.
Just like you and your word are one.

wakeup

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So Jesus is not a person as such, but an extension of the Father only?

[Wakeup]

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So Jesus is not a person as such, but an extension of the Father only?

T8.

Jesus is GOD'S WORD made flesh.

wakeup.

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So if the Word is God and is made flesh, Jesus is not an individual person as we are, but an extension of God right?

[Wakeup]

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So if the Word is God and is made flesh, Jesus is not an individual person as we are, but an extension of God right?

T8.

Jesus is the Word Of God in the flesh.
Which He was spirit, before He came down to earth.
He is the IMAGE OF GOD; but also God's own Word.
The Word of God in the form of a being.
A living spiritual being shaped into God's own image.

wakeup.

[4Thomas]

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2014,11:06) So if the Word is God and is made flesh, Jesus is not an individual person as we are, but an extension of God right? T8. Jesus is the Word Of God in the flesh. Which He was spirit, before He came down to earth. He is the IMAGE OF GOD; but also God's own Word. The Word of God in the form of a being. A living spiritual being shaped into God's own image. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Its great that you Love the Lord Jesus with all your heart, i don't worry about you on the day of Judgement. I admire that you love the others here and want them to be saved, we have to trust in Gods love and them being open to the truth.

I believe that Jesus is

1: the one and only true Son of God = the Word of God, the Lord of Lords, Jehovah [the Son] seen in the old testament, the radiance of the Father, the expressed image. God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten NOT made.

AND

2: the Son of man = the last adam, the messiah (the man Jesus), the Lamb.

Jesus has two natures, you need to understand both to be saved. He is the the eternal word, the only true Son of God which took the man of a man to save us from our Sins.

The key is also understand that NOONE has ever seen the Father at anytime.

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God; the only-begotten God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Now it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR *him* to be *A* god when he is called ***THE*** only begotten God.

Why, *easy*
1: because he is the ***ONLY God [begotten]
2: because he is called ****THE**** only begotten God.

If you are the ONLY one then you cant be called *A* as you are THE only one.

John 1:18

New International Version
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

When scripture says the is whom himself is God, its doesnt mean he is the Father but instead it means he is God by nature because he IS OF and FROM the Fathers substance.

New Living Translation
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

English Standard Version
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

The Key to understand what Jesus is, is to understand that he is the one and only true Son of God, this is why he was killed.

John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John chapter 5 shows that Jesus was Jehovah (the Son) in the Old Testament that Moses seen in Number 12:8 when he explicitly said that Moses seen the form of Jehovah, not in a vision or dream but for real.

Jesus said for the sake of our salvation that no-one has ever seen God at any time YET many people have Seen Jehovah the Almighty *MANY* times.
Only once they couldn't see his face AND that was only when Moses requested to see ALL his glory/goodness

Thomas in front of all the other disciples calls Jesus “HIS Lord and HIS God, when he said my Lord and My God.

Then scripture says these things are written so you will believe THAT Jesus is **THE** Son of God.

Blessings in Jesus name
Daniel

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Its great that you Love the Lord Jesus with all your heart, i don't worry about you on the day of Judgement. I admire that you love the others here and want them to be saved

What? Talk about a judgmental fraud!

What right do you have to judge based on a belief in a trinity?

[2besee]

There is only one God and Jesus is the Son of that one God.

It's really that simple.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 12 2014,11:58) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2014,11:06) So if the Word is God and is made flesh, Jesus is not an individual person as we are, but an extension of God right? T8. Jesus is the Word Of God in the flesh. Which He was spirit, before He came down to earth. He is the IMAGE OF GOD; but also God's own Word. The Word of God in the form of a being. A living spiritual being shaped into God's own image. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Its great that you Love the Lord Jesus with all your heart, i don't worry about you on the day of Judgement. I admire that you love the others here and want them to be saved, we have to trust in Gods love and them being open to the truth. I believe that Jesus is 1: the one and only true Son of God = the Word of God, the Lord of Lords, Jehovah [the Son] seen in the old testament, the radiance of the Father, the expressed image. God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten NOT made. AND 2: the Son of man = the last adam, the messiah (the man Jesus), the Lamb. Jesus has two natures, you need to understand both to be saved. He is the the eternal word, the only true Son of God which took the man of a man to save us from our Sins.   The key is also understand that NOONE has ever seen the Father at anytime. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only-begotten God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. Now it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR *him* to be *A* god when he is called ***THE*** only begotten God. Why, *easy* 1: because he is the ***ONLY God [begotten] 2: because he is called ****THE**** only begotten God. If you are the ONLY one then you cant be called *A* as you are THE only one. John 1:18 New International Version No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. When scripture says the is whom himself is God, its doesnt mean he is the Father but instead it means he is God by nature because he IS OF and FROM the Fathers substance. New Living Translation No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us. English Standard Version No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. The Key to understand what Jesus is, is to understand that he is the one and only true Son of God, this is why he was killed. John 5:18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. John chapter 5 shows that Jesus was Jehovah (the Son) in the Old Testament that Moses seen in Number 12:8 when he explicitly said that Moses seen the form of Jehovah, not in a vision or dream but for real. Jesus said for the sake of our salvation that no-one has ever seen God at any time YET many people have Seen Jehovah the Almighty *MANY* times. Only once they couldn't see his face AND that was only when Moses requested to see ALL his glory/goodness Thomas in front of all the other disciples calls Jesus “HIS Lord and HIS God, when he said my Lord and My God. Then scripture says these things are written so you will believe THAT Jesus is **THE** Son of God. Blessings in Jesus name Daniel

Hi 4thomas.

1.God gave his only begotten son.
He did not gave Himself.God did not die on the cross,but
his Son did.

2.Jesus is not God the father nor is he A god.

3.The living Word of God was brought forth,and given a
form;in the image of God himself . He was just called by
what He is.
THE WORD OF GOD. **THIS WAS JUST BEFORE
CREATION**BEGAN.(John said:and the Word was with
God). When John said: the Word was God; this was before
God spoke.
**BEFORE CREATION**.
4. Then all things were created through Him.(THE WORD).

5.The Word(the being) was made flesh,his name is called
JESUS.

6. Jesus was transformed back into spirit at the
resurrection,and is back with
God in heaven,waiting for his next assignment. And that is
to destroy Babylon,and to collect His saints,and to set up
his kingdom on earth.

7.He will not come by the name *JESUS*.
But by the name of; The Word of God.

8. Jesus is God: but he is God's own word.
Gods Word,can never be above God.
God always has control of His Word.
Because of that; He calls God; His God.
He is always in subjection to God;His God.

We Worship one God and His Word in Him.
We can worship God's Word also,for he is part of God.
Beside me there is no saviour.This is true.
God and his own Word is our one and only saviour.

wakeup.

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