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The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation.
To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
How are you submitted to God when you do not believe His Word?Quote 1John 5: 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Quote John 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2010,14:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
How are you submitted to God when you do not believe His Word?Quote 1John 5: 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Quote John 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Love in Christ,
Marty
Of course I believe in HIS WORD, why would you make such a disparaging remark. Obviously I believe in HIS WORD if I didn't I wouldn't ask you why you didn't understand that you were reconciled to GODQuote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,14:21) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2010,14:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
How are you submitted to God when you do not believe His Word?Quote 1John 5: 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Quote John 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Love in Christ,
Marty
Of course I believe in HIS WORD, why would you make such a disparaging remark. Obviously I believe in HIS WORD if I didn't I wouldn't ask you why you didn't understand that you were reconciled to GOD
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and that God has raised him from the dead?If your answer is no, then you are not submitted to God through His Word, and you have made Him to be a liar through your unbelief because you have not believed His testimony according to the scripture that I have shown you.
Quote John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me Quote John 10: 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
There is no way to be reconciled to God except through His provision, and I understand that I am reconciled to God. He is the Father of my spirit, and so, I am his son, but that does not mean that I don't need Jesus to pray for me when I fall short. He has overcome sin and death, and I am overcoming but I am not there yet, but because he lives forever he can make intercession for me until I do overcome.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ May 13 2010,14:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,14:21) Quote (942767 @ May 13 2010,14:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
How are you submitted to God when you do not believe His Word?Quote 1John 5: 9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Quote John 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Love in Christ,
Marty
Of course I believe in HIS WORD, why would you make such a disparaging remark. Obviously I believe in HIS WORD if I didn't I wouldn't ask you why you didn't understand that you were reconciled to GOD
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God and that God has raised him from the dead?If your answer is no, then you are not submitted to God through His Word, and you have made Him to be a liar through your unbelief because you have not believed His testimony according to the scripture that I have shown you.
Quote John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me Quote John 10: 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
There is no way to be reconciled to God except through His provision, and I understand that I am reconciled to God. He is the Father of my spirit, and so, I am his son, but that does not mean that I don't need Jesus to pray for me when I fall short. He has overcome sin and death, and I am overcoming but I am not there yet, but because he lives forever he can make intercession for me until I do overcome.
Love in Christ,
Marty
John 16:26-27 (King James Version)26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
So do you believe what Jesus says or not? If you do have Faith and pray to God directly because when you need to go back through Jesus again it is simply a lack of Faith
Matthew 14:30-31 (King James Version)
30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
To call someone the Son of the Living God simply means the servant of The Living God so yes I do believe that. Was not Solomon God's anointed called Son as well
1 Kings 3:7 (King James Version)
7And now, O LORD my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.
1 Chronicles 22:10 (King James Version)
10He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
Do you understand?
Can you explain this concept of provision to me and why God has no direct power to save:
Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isaiah 59:1-3Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
So why does a teacher naming a class toy bear “Mohammad” cause an international incident with threats of violence from muslims, if the only thing that matters is the hotline to their Imaginary Friend?Actually did Mo have any hotline himself? It was via the intermediate agency of Gabriel wasn't it?
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
Reconciliation is through Christ. I wouldn't get too confident without Christ. You are still housed in a body of death (minimum) and you still sin. If you make the resurrection with a new perfect body, then you will not need the mediator in the sense of reconciling us to God because we will be without sin and have fellowship with God, and Jesus will be our brother because he calls us brethren.At anytime while we are in the body, we can stray from God, and we will sin in the body. A mediator doesn't represent one party. Jesus represents God and us. I wouldn't get too confident and think you can do it all in your own strength. If this is what your religion teaches you, you need to wake up to the truth of your real condition.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,Hebrews 9:15
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.Quote (t8 @ May 13 2010,22:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
Reconciliation is through Christ. I wouldn't get too confident without Christ. You are still housed in a body of death (minimum) and you still sin. If you make the resurrection with a new perfect body, then you will not need the mediator in the sense of reconciling us to God because we will be without sin and have fellowship with God, and Jesus will be our brother because he calls us brethren.At anytime while we are in the body, we can stray from God, and we will sin in the body. A mediator doesn't represent one party. Jesus represents God and us. I wouldn't get too confident and think you can do it all in your own strength. If this is what your religion teaches you, you need to wake up to the truth of your real condition.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,Hebrews 9:15
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
Just another average man-god mythology to set alongside all the others.At least Mo had eyewitnesses who wrote about his wanton brutality. We know nothing about this Jesus figure with any confidence whatever.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ May 13 2010,19:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
So why does a teacher naming a class toy bear “Mohammad” cause an international incident with threats of violence from muslims, if the only thing that matters is the hotline to their Imaginary Friend?Actually did Mo have any hotline himself? It was via the intermediate agency of Gabriel wasn't it?
Stuart
STU,You are correct! No one should be getting upset with such things because the purpose of not picturing Muhammad is not because he should be worshiped but because he shouldn't worshiped.
Those Muslims are treating Muhammad like Christians treat Jesus and both are wrong because all Praise is due to ALLAH Alone.
These honored messengers are just that HONORED and while some people are disrespectful towards those who are due much Honor those who Honor them need not be insulted for what others think as their rejection is of GOD not the messengers.
Hi BD,
Those who have washed only need wash their feet.[jn13]
Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses..Quote (t8 @ May 13 2010,22:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 13 2010,13:23) The position here is that The Muslim has submitted to God and through that submission is reconciled whereas those who say they need a mediator such as Jesus have not fulfilled the purpose they have said Jesus came for which is reconciliation. To reconcile is to do away with the mediator and be one.
Reconciliation is through Christ. I wouldn't get too confident without Christ. You are still housed in a body of death (minimum) and you still sin. If you make the resurrection with a new perfect body, then you will not need the mediator in the sense of reconciling us to God because we will be without sin and have fellowship with God, and Jesus will be our brother because he calls us brethren.At anytime while we are in the body, we can stray from God, and we will sin in the body. A mediator doesn't represent one party. Jesus represents God and us. I wouldn't get too confident and think you can do it all in your own strength. If this is what your religion teaches you, you need to wake up to the truth of your real condition.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,Hebrews 9:15
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
If he is the Mediator of a New Covenant then once you have agreed to that New Covenant you have been reconciled to God while you are in the flesh and if you stray you are to go to God yourself under the grace of the New Covenant that was mediated through Christ hence Jesus says 2 things that prove my point without a doubt:Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:14-16This is proof that Jesus declines to be called lord after that point and now says those who are intimate with him are his friends and not servants
John 16:25-27 (King James Version)
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
You see how this is a progression? When he often said O' ye of little faith he said then “ask in my name” Why because their faith was weak.
But strong faith needs no mediator.
Hi BD,
Do you have srtrong faith?
Strong enough?Is it based on a close friendship with the Son of God, Jesus?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,10:51) Hi BD,
Do you have srtrong faith?
Strong enough?Is it based on a close friendship with the Son of God, Jesus?
Yes, and even all the fellow believers. The faith of a Mustard seed is all that is needed, simply believe, NickHi BD,
Time will tell.
You will meet the Master soon enough.
I am not so sure the Lord of all will be thrilled you oppose his teachings and try to improve themQuote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,10:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,10:51) Hi BD,
Do you have srtrong faith?
Strong enough?Is it based on a close friendship with the Son of God, Jesus?
Yes, and even all the fellow believers. The faith of a Mustard seed is all that is needed, simply believe, Nick
Faith entails believing God's testimony regarding His Son and His Christ.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,11:00) Hi BD,
Time will tell.
You will meet the Master soon enough.
I am not so sure the Lord of all will be thrilled you oppose his teachings and try to improve them
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:14-16You still believe that Jesus is your Lord and so he is because you do not know what he does, I call him friend
God is my LORD HIS ways are beyond knowing even to Jesus.
Quote (942767 @ May 14 2010,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,10:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,10:51) Hi BD,
Do you have srtrong faith?
Strong enough?Is it based on a close friendship with the Son of God, Jesus?
Yes, and even all the fellow believers. The faith of a Mustard seed is all that is needed, simply believe, Nick
Faith entails believing God's testimony regarding His Son and His Christ.
Is God a Male?Quote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,11:34) Quote (942767 @ May 14 2010,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,10:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,10:51) Hi BD,
Do you have srtrong faith?
Strong enough?Is it based on a close friendship with the Son of God, Jesus?
Yes, and even all the fellow believers. The faith of a Mustard seed is all that is needed, simply believe, Nick
Faith entails believing God's testimony regarding His Son and His Christ.
Is God a Male?
No.Quote (942767 @ May 14 2010,13:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,11:34) Quote (942767 @ May 14 2010,11:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,10:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,10:51) Hi BD,
Do you have srtrong faith?
Strong enough?Is it based on a close friendship with the Son of God, Jesus?
Yes, and even all the fellow believers. The faith of a Mustard seed is all that is needed, simply believe, Nick
Faith entails believing God's testimony regarding His Son and His Christ.
Is God a Male?
No.
Are Fathers, Male?Quote (bodhitharta @ May 14 2010,11:33) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2010,11:00) Hi BD,
Time will tell.
You will meet the Master soon enough.
I am not so sure the Lord of all will be thrilled you oppose his teachings and try to improve them
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:14-16You still believe that Jesus is your Lord and so he is because you do not know what he does, I call him friend
God is my LORD HIS ways are beyond knowing even to Jesus.
Hi BD,
Many assume a friendship with him.
Some falsely claim that he is their Lord.But he says
“I do not know you”
“Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do as I say?”
“Now those enemies of mine bring them here and slay them in my presence.”
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