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Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST.

I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply

Pierre

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55)

bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre

No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him.

Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ?

bod

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Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ?

NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR.

Pierre

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bod

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No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption

this I knew ,and this is why your religion is of the devil and false ,and you do not worship the God of Abraham or Christ for those reasons;
Muslims are prisoners of there religious despots,

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? bod Quote Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR. Pierre

So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus?

[bodhitharta]

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bod Quote No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption this I knew ,and this is why your religion is of the devil and false ,and you do not worship the God of Abraham or Christ for those reasons; Muslims are prisoners of there religious despots, Pierre

Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD and you believe that Believing in the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY is of the devil

I am so glad you admitted that because most Christians won't admit that they believe that believing in the Grace and Mercy of God Almighty is of the devil.

As far as I know you hit the nail on the head I believe T8, Mike, Ed, and others believe this very same thing so I guess you all do pretty much believe the same thing and I was trying so hard to understand what you guys were believing and there it is

Believing in the Grace and Mercy of God Almighty is of the devil.

You are 100% correct NO MUSLIM WOULD EVER BELIEVE THAT

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? bod Quote Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR. Pierre So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus?

bod

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So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus?

I never say that, God give Christ the authority to do the job of cleaning up the mes of men,and Satan.

do you want to take over Christ Job ?? and so put your self in jeopardy and risking the wrath of God ??

Pierre

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? bod Quote Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR. Pierre So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? bod Quote So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? I never say that, God give Christ the authority to do the job of cleaning up the mes of men,and Satan. do you want to take over Christ Job ?? and so put your self in jeopardy and risking the wrath of God ?? Pierre

Pierre,

Stop confusing me, does God have power without Christ yes or no?

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bod

you are a snake,

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Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD and you believe that Believing in the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY is of the devil

compere ;

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No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption

this is what you lie about ;Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD

you said and i agreed ;No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption ;

you see Muslim are all like you twisting and backwards,this is because their false religion,

Pierre

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? bod Quote Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR. Pierre So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? bod Quote So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? I never say that, God give Christ the authority to do the job of cleaning up the mes of men,and Satan. do you want to take over Christ Job ?? and so put your self in jeopardy and risking the wrath of God ?? Pierre Pierre, Stop confusing me, does God have power without Christ yes or no?

bod

who is the father and God ,is it Christ ?? NO,his father is his God

so he obeys his God and father

Pierre

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bod you are a snake, Quote Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD and you believe that Believing in the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY is of the devil compere ; Quote No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption this is what you lie about ;Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD  you said and i agreed ;No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption ; you see Muslim are all like you twisting and backwards,this is because their false religion, Pierre

Okay

so, Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption

But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right?

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? bod Quote Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR. Pierre So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? bod Quote So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? I never say that, God give Christ the authority to do the job of cleaning up the mes of men,and Satan. do you want to take over Christ Job ?? and so put your self in jeopardy and risking the wrath of God ?? Pierre Pierre, Stop confusing me, does God have power without Christ yes or no? bod who is the father and God ,is it Christ ?? NO,his father is his God so he obeys his God and father Pierre

So should we obey God and if we do will He redeem us? Jesus said believing in him won't save you:

Matthew 7:22-24

King James Version (KJV)

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus said only those who do the will of his Father shall be saved but you told me that believing in the redemption of God directly by His Grace and Mercy alone is of the devil.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:25) bod you are a snake, Quote Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD and you believe that Believing in the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY is of the devil compere ; Quote No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption this is what you lie about ;Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD  you said and i agreed ;No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption ; you see Muslim are all like you twisting and backwards,this is because their false religion, Pierre Okay so, Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right?

bod

did you lie ??when you said that Muslim do not depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY  for redemption ,

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Okay so, Muslims for redemption depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right?

what is it now ? do you change your mind ?

Pierre

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:09) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,05:55) bod Quote Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. I never heard that Muslims preach Christ for their redemption ?? is that what you imply Pierre No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption but also understands that the followers of Christ can be redeemed through him. Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? bod Quote Do you believe that God can redeem without Christ? NOT THAT I KNOW OF;only on messiah for all men ;so if all men includes your nation then that s it ;Christ is the DOOR. Pierre So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? bod Quote So you believe that God is powerless without Jesus? I never say that, God give Christ the authority to do the job of cleaning up the mes of men,and Satan. do you want to take over Christ Job ?? and so put your self in jeopardy and risking the wrath of God ?? Pierre Pierre, Stop confusing me, does God have power without Christ yes or no? bod who is the father and God ,is it Christ ?? NO,his father is his God so he obeys his God and father Pierre So should we obey God and if we do will He redeem us? Jesus said believing in him won't save you: Matthew 7:22-24 King James Version (KJV) 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Jesus said only those who do the will of his Father shall be saved but you told me that believing in the redemption of God directly by His Grace and Mercy alone is of the devil.

bod

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Jesus said only those who do the will of his Father shall be saved but you told me that believing in the redemption of God directly by His Grace and Mercy alone is of the devil.

this i never said,this is your thinking and it looks bad ,I can not even understand what you have written,

now you see that you have to read the whole bible to understand you are mixed up with your Koran

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 16 2012,21:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,12:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2012,12:07) Marty bod, is not a honest heart;this is what i answered him; bod Quote The confession of the Muslims believeing that Jesus is Christ is in print ,quote IN THIS YOU ARE TOTALLY TRUE; wen you roll open your carpet to kneel down toward Mecca and pray to honor Muhammad ,Allah prophet the god of Muslims you will not do what Christ is asking of his disciples,so what is print is for nothing just to show and meaningless to all Muslim and others Muslims are lips servicing Christ God and father ,you do not have to talk lies to what all men knows I have read the Koran and it is not for the God of the Jews , Pierre ————– Are the scriptures in your Bible TRUE or FALSE when it says WHOEVER confesses that Jesus is Christ is born of God? If you do not believe this why are you claiming the Bible as the word of God? Hi BD, muslims are anti-christ, because they deny the father and the son. (1John 2:22) B'shem YHVH Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. You could say Muslims are anti-son of God because God does not have sex or make children like physical human beings. If God calls someone a Son it is certainly a term of endearment just like when priests call people “Son” just like how Paul calls his followers sons even though Jesus said not to. Hey why does Paul say 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Paul declares his Fatherhood isn't that something? and again 1 Timothy 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. I thought Jesus said: Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. So is Paul right or is Jesus right? You and Mike said that they teach the same things. There seems to be this Father and Son thing that most of you can't get past including T8 It's like you think Christ means “Son” and it doesn't you do not have to believe that Jesus is the actual son of God you have to believe that Jesus is the Christ sent by God but most don't know they make Christ a stumbling block for themselves

Hi BD,

God, muslims say, has no son.

Since they deny the father and the son, they are antichrist. (1John 2:22)

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:43) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:25) bod you are a snake, Quote Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD and you believe that Believing in the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY is of the devil compere ; Quote No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption this is what you lie about ;Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD  you said and i agreed ;No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption ; you see Muslim are all like you twisting and backwards,this is because their false religion, Pierre Okay so, Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right? bod did you lie ??when you said that Muslim do not depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY  for redemption , Quote Okay so, Muslims for redemption depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right? what is it now ? do you change your mind ? Pierre

Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption and so should you

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,05:53) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 16 2012,21:59) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 16 2012,12:20) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2012,12:07) Marty bod, is not a honest heart;this is what i answered him; bod Quote The confession of the Muslims believeing that Jesus is Christ is in print ,quote IN THIS YOU ARE TOTALLY TRUE; wen you roll open your carpet to kneel down toward Mecca and pray to honor Muhammad ,Allah prophet the god of Muslims you will not do what Christ is asking of his disciples,so what is print is for nothing just to show and meaningless to all Muslim and others Muslims are lips servicing Christ God and father ,you do not have to talk lies to what all men knows I have read the Koran and it is not for the God of the Jews , Pierre ————– Are the scriptures in your Bible TRUE or FALSE when it says WHOEVER confesses that Jesus is Christ is born of God? If you do not believe this why are you claiming the Bible as the word of God? Hi BD, muslims are anti-christ, because they deny the father and the son. (1John 2:22) B'shem YHVH Now you're just getting desperate how could a Mulim be antichrist when they are the ONLY ONES who ACCEPT JESUS as plainly the CHRIST. You could say Muslims are anti-son of God because God does not have sex or make children like physical human beings. If God calls someone a Son it is certainly a term of endearment just like when priests call people “Son” just like how Paul calls his followers sons even though Jesus said not to. Hey why does Paul say 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Paul declares his Fatherhood isn't that something? and again 1 Timothy 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. I thought Jesus said: Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. So is Paul right or is Jesus right? You and Mike said that they teach the same things. There seems to be this Father and Son thing that most of you can't get past including T8 It's like you think Christ means “Son” and it doesn't you do not have to believe that Jesus is the actual son of God you have to believe that Jesus is the Christ sent by God but most don't know they make Christ a stumbling block for themselves Hi BD, God, muslims say, has no son. Since they deny the father and the son, they are antichrist. (1John 2:22) B'shem YHVH

So are you saying each son of God is Christ?

Muslims believe in Jesus Chrsit as Jesus Christ the SERVANT of GOD, the scriptures also call Jesus a SERVANT of GOD.

Is Jesus a servant of God?

[Ed J]

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So are you saying each son of God is Christ?

Hi BD,

Only those who have been filled with God's “HolySpirit”!
(Isaiah 64:4-5 / Hebrews 9:28)  <– look up these verses

“Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” (1 Cor 12:27)
“Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)

I guess you muslims count yourself out(spirit of antichrist), well, that is your choice to make.
The consequences of your decision falls directly upon YOUR shoulders, not mine. (Ezek.33:4-5)

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

B'shem
YHVH

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2012,18:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,15:41) So are you saying each son of God is Christ? Hi BD, Only those who have been filled with God's “HolySpirit”! (Isaiah 64:4-5 / Hebrews 9:28)  <– look up these verses “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” (1 Cor 12:27) “Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9) I guess you muslims count yourself out(spirit of antichrist), well, that is your choice to make. The consequences of your decision falls directly upon YOUR shoulders, not mine. (Ezek.33:4-5) John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. B'shem YHVH

Do you not really understand metaphorical language?

Do you believe that Jesus is LITERALLY inside you and all the time?

What is Jesus doing in you when you are sleeping? or when you thinking sexual thoughts or having resentment?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,07:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 17 2012,13:43) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2012,06:25) bod you are a snake, Quote Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD and you believe that Believing in the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY is of the devil compere ; Quote No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption this is what you lie about ;Okay, so you knew that Muslims believed in THE GRACE of GOD  you said and i agreed ;No Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption ; you see Muslim are all like you twisting and backwards,this is because their false religion, Pierre Okay so, Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right? bod did you lie ??when you said that Muslim do not depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY  for redemption , Quote Okay so, Muslims for redemption depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY But you believe that believing that way is of the devil, right? what is it now ? do you change your mind ? Pierre Muslims depend on the GRACE of GOD ALMIGHTY for redemption and so should you

Bod

So you changed you position,right

But tell me how do you as a Muslim going to be saved and rejecting the son of God that his the way to redemption for all men ,

Unless you say and do what Christ teach you can not be saved by his sacrifice

Pierre

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