RAPTURE

[NickHassan]

Hi MrS,
Does not the one being taken rather refer to the tares being removed at the harvest?

[Mr. Steve]

Hi Nick;

Jesus said in the same night that the antichrist appears, one shall be taken and the other shall be left. Jesus then said in that hour the kingdom of God shall be as ten virgins, wise stewards, the goodman of the house, etc. All of these parables have a negligence setting which is the polar opposite of the setting during the tribulation where no one is wondering if Christ will return. It's then time to endure to the end if you were not taken. Peter asks Jesus where will they be taken and Jesus says where the carecase is there shall the eagles be gathered. The door to the kingdom opens suddenly and those who are ready enter therein and come from the east, west, north, and south, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but those who are not ready are cast out into outer darkness in the tribulation.

[Cindy]

Mr. Steve

The term Jew was applied to all that were from the southern kingdom of Judah. But really apply only to those who are from the tribe of Judah.

Georg

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 25 2009,10:23)

Hi Nick; Jesus said in the same night that the antichrist appears, one shall be taken and the other shall be left.

Mr. Steve,
Jesus never said a word about the antichrist. Where do you get that? And the reference to the one being taken and the other left had nothing to do with a supposed “rapture.” It had to do with the invasion of Jerusalem by the Roman armies. Two would be in the field. One would be taken into captivity by the Romans and the other would be left, that is, he would escape being taken into captivity (Luke 21:20-24).

thinker

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2009,12:37)

Hi georg, The time to learn is now. Jesus has greater matters to deal with like restoring the earth.

What greater matters could that be?
Is it not teaching all mankind what the reward for obedience to God is? especially since we all have learned what the reward for disobedience is.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
We do not add our own ideas to scripture.

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2009,07:59)

Hi Georg, We do not add our own ideas to scripture.

What ideas, to what scripture?

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
Your interpretations of history are not always correct.
Most people would back down when they reach obviously wrong conclusions such as Jesus returning 109 years ago and that is the wiser course

[Cindy]

Most people pay no attention to history, that is why most people can not understand the bible.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
And some jump to false conclusions which they then set in concrete.

[Cindy]

Are you not set in concrete?
How many times have you accused me of being wrong? but you never follow up with prove. I wonder some times if you speak for all on this forum?

Georg

[epistemaniac]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 28 2009,14:26)

Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02) WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION. Don't shout!  Others will hear about this secret rapture and get jealous. Stuart

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

….. lol…. gasp….. breathe ….. breathe…. whew…. thanks… I needed that…..

blessings,
ken

[Cindy]

Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02)

WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION.

Where does it speak of a grant tribulation?

Georg

[942767]

Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02)

WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION.

Hi SERVANTOFTHE MOSTHIGH:

Those who believe in the secret rapture do so because the scripture states that Jesus will come like a thief in the night.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ April 16 2009,09:10)

Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02) WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION. Hi SERVANTOFTHE MOSTHIGH: Those who believe in the secret rapture do so because the scripture states that Jesus will come like a thief in the night. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi 94

The word secret or rapture is not found in scriptures relating to his coming.

The theif in the night is a warning that he is coming suddenly and that we are to be prepared. Its not a secret coming. There is no scripture that sugest such and is only a fabrication of man.

Every eye shall see him when he returns like the lightning in the sky.

Scriptures do not mention a “secret second coming” and then a third coming to follow. The day of the Lord is the second coming when the Lord sets up his Kingdom in the earth.

The secret rapture is false. IMO

WJ

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2009,09:34)

Quote (942767 @ April 16 2009,09:10) Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02) WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION. Hi SERVANTOFTHE MOSTHIGH: Those who believe in the secret rapture do so because the scripture states that Jesus will come like a thief in the night. Love in Christ, Marty Hi 94 The word secret or rapture is not found in scriptures relating to his coming. The theif in the night is a warning that he is coming suddenly and that we are to be prepared. Its not a secret coming. There is no scripture that sugest such and is only a fabrication of man. Every eye shall see him when he returns like the lightning in the sky. Scriptures do not mention a “secret second coming” and then a third coming to follow. The day of the Lord is the second coming when the Lord sets up his Kingdom in the earth. The secret rapture is false. IMO WJ

Hi Brother:

I know that there is no secret rapture.  I was just answering his question.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ April 16 2009,15:36)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2009,09:34) Quote (942767 @ April 16 2009,09:10) Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02) WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION. Hi SERVANTOFTHE MOSTHIGH: Those who believe in the secret rapture do so because the scripture states that Jesus will come like a thief in the night. Love in Christ, Marty Hi 94 The word secret or rapture is not found in scriptures relating to his coming. The theif in the night is a warning that he is coming suddenly and that we are to be prepared. Its not a secret coming. There is no scripture that sugest such and is only a fabrication of man. Every eye shall see him when he returns like the lightning in the sky. Scriptures do not mention a “secret second coming” and then a third coming to follow. The day of the Lord is the second coming when the Lord sets up his Kingdom in the earth. The secret rapture is false. IMO WJ Hi Brother: I know that there is no secret rapture.  I was just answering his question. Love in Christ, Marty

94

Wow. We actually agree.

Blessings WJ

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2009,16:23)

Quote (942767 @ April 16 2009,15:36) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 16 2009,09:34) Quote (942767 @ April 16 2009,09:10) Quote (SERVANT OF THE MOST HIGH @ Feb. 28 2009,02:02) WHERE IN THE WORD DOES IT REFER TO,OR PEOPLE GET THAT THERE IS A SECRET RAPTURE THAT IS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE THE GRAND TRIBULATION. Hi SERVANTOFTHE MOSTHIGH: Those who believe in the secret rapture do so because the scripture states that Jesus will come like a thief in the night. Love in Christ, Marty Hi 94 The word secret or rapture is not found in scriptures relating to his coming. The theif in the night is a warning that he is coming suddenly and that we are to be prepared. Its not a secret coming. There is no scripture that sugest such and is only a fabrication of man. Every eye shall see him when he returns like the lightning in the sky. Scriptures do not mention a “secret second coming” and then a third coming to follow. The day of the Lord is the second coming when the Lord sets up his Kingdom in the earth. The secret rapture is false. IMO WJ Hi Brother: I know that there is no secret rapture.  I was just answering his question. Love in Christ, Marty 94 Wow. We actually agree.   Blessings WJ

Hi Brother:

We're not there yet but we are making progress. May God Bless you and your family.

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Psa 133:1 [[A Song of degrees of David.]] Behold, how good and how pleasant [it is] for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psa 133:2 [It is] like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, [even] Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; Psa 133:3 As the dew of Hermon, [and as the dew] that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, [even] life for evermore.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[chosenone]

I agree, there is no “secret rapture”. Scripture does not speak of a “secret…”, but does of the “rapture: (not a biblical word). The word reffering to the rapture is “snatched away”. It is explained in 1Thess.4:15-18.

15 For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words.

Blessings.

[KangarooJack]

WorshipingJesus said:

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The day of the Lord is the second coming when the Lord sets up his Kingdom in the earth. The secret rapture is false. IMO

WJ,
I am in agreement with you that there is no “secret” rapture. But I disagree on the Lord's coming to set up a kingdom on earth. First, Paul said that when Christ comes he yields the kingdom to the Father. So his second coming is not as a king. Second, he came back in AD70 and all prophecy has been fulfilled. He is now present.

thinker

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