Quran vs the bible

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    Ed J
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    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,10:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,09:13)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,08:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,08:32)

    You have some serious 'confusion' brother!

    'quran'='babylon'=71; and Babylon means 'confusion'!

    .


    How are Lucifer and Jesus connected ED?


    Hi BD, (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)

    In death…
    Job 40:4 Behold, 'i am' vile…
    Nahum 1:14 And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the
    house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou (i am) art vile.
    Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
    thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
    Gal.2:20 'i am' crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live… Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, he, and there is no god
    with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift
    up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold
    on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

    .


    before death how were Lucifer and Jesus connected?


    Hi BD,

    Matt.4:1-11 / Luke 4:2-13.

    Ed J

    #195293
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,10:24)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,10:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,09:13)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,08:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,08:32)

    You have some serious 'confusion' brother!

    'quran'='babylon'=71; and Babylon means 'confusion'!

    .


    How are Lucifer and Jesus connected ED?


    Hi BD, (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)

    In death…
    Job 40:4 Behold, 'i am' vile…
    Nahum 1:14 And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the
    house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou (i am) art vile.
    Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
    thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
    Gal.2:20 'i am' crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live… Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, he, and there is no god
    with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift
    up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold
    on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

    .


    before death how were Lucifer and Jesus connected?


    Hi BD,

    Matt.4:1-11 / Luke 4:2-13.

    Ed J


    So Lucifer is Satan and was part of the Godhead?

    #195319
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,13:04)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,10:24)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,10:14)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,09:13)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 12 2010,08:34)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 12 2010,08:32)

    You have some serious 'confusion' brother!

    'quran'='babylon'=71; and Babylon means 'confusion'!

    .


    How are Lucifer and Jesus connected ED?


    Hi BD, (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)

    In death…
    Job 40:4 Behold, 'i am' vile…
    Nahum 1:14 And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the
    house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou (i am) art vile.
    Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
    thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
    Gal.2:20 'i am' crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live… Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, he, and there is no god
    with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift
    up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold
    on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

    .


    before death how were Lucifer and Jesus connected?


    Hi BD,

    Matt.4:1-11 / Luke 4:2-13.

    Ed J


    So Lucifer is Satan and was part of the Godhead?


    Hi BD,

    Col:2:9 For in him(Christ=77) dwelleth all the fulness of “the Godhead”=77 bodily.

    Jesus said “I have meat to eat that ye know not of.” Jesus also saith unto them,
    “My meat is to do the will of Him that sent Me, and to finish His work.” (John 4:32-34)
    The work that Jesus finished was this separation in Himself made between
    {Lucifer=74} and the [GOD Spirit=117], which occurred at His death.
    Jesus also said, “Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit.” (Luke 23:46)
    Jesus then said, “it is finished”; as Jesus bowed his head, and gave up the Holy Spirit=151, (John 19:30)
    Lucifer=74 and his influence were to be forever finished=74, because Jesus was crucified at Calvary.

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #195330
    karmarie
    Participant

    Ok, getting creepy… Jude and Peter warn us not to talk of the 'glorious ones,' of things we know nothing about.

    “when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand,”..(Jude 1

    “Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant”,..(2nd Peter

    #195391
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Ditto

    #195405
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi,

    John 16:12-15 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
    now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
    for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
    and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
    and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
    that he (The “HolySpirit”) shall take of mine (יהשוע), and (He) shall show it unto you.

    Ed J

    #195406
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2010,02:41)
    Hi,

    John 16:12-15 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
    now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
    for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
    and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
    and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
    that he (The “HolySpirit”) shall take of mine (יהשוע), and (He) shall show it unto you.

    Ed J


    So you're saying that there were things that were not time to reveal like perhaps the Quran?

    Muhammad didn't speak of himself and he did glorify Jesus

    #195411
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2010,03:31)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2010,02:41)
    Hi,

    John 16:12-15 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
    now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
    for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
    and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
    and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
    that he (The “HolySpirit”) shall take of mine (יהשוע), and (He) shall show it unto you.

    Ed J


    So you're saying that there were things that were not time to reveal like perhaps the Quran?

    Muhammad didn't speak of himself and he did glorify Jesus


    Hi BD,

    The “HolySpirit” is (the Spirit of truth) YHVH! (Matt.12:31 / Luke 12:10)
    Do you even consider what you are saying?

    Ed J

    #195415
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2010,04:10)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2010,03:31)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2010,02:41)
    Hi,

    John 16:12-15 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
    now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
    for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
    and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
    and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
    that he (The “HolySpirit”) shall take of mine (יהשוע), and (He) shall show it unto you.

    Ed J


    So you're saying that there were things that were not time to reveal like perhaps the Quran?

    Muhammad didn't speak of himself and he did glorify Jesus


    Hi BD,

    The “HolySpirit” is (the Spirit of truth) YHVH! (Matt.12:31 / Luke 12:10)
    Do you even consider what you are saying?

    Ed J


    I meant that Gabriel which is a HOLY ANGEL(SPIRIT) taught Muhammad but anyway would that be not possible?

    #195523
    karmarie
    Participant

    Bod, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit which works on people, leads them to truth, helps them,, strengthens them, brings things to rememberance, speaks through them,

    It isnt a man.

    Ed, is there anything you can say about what it says in Jude and Peter, and what you are saying about Satan?

    #195526
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,12:35)
    Bod, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit which works on people, leads them to truth, helps them,, strengthens them, brings things to rememberance, speaks through them,

    It isnt a man.

    Ed, is there anything you can say about what it says in Jude and Peter, and what you are saying about Satan?


    Angels certainly are Holy and are spirits, they definitely strengthen and bring things to rememberence

    #195552
    karmarie
    Participant

    Bod, the Holy Spirit today strengthens and brings those of His to truth and brings to rememberance the words of Jesus and truth of him.

    Mohammad didnt do that though. He brought in error.

    I would post more but am busy today.

    #195566
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,13:45)
    Bod, the Holy Spirit today strengthens and brings those of His to truth and brings to rememberance the words of Jesus and truth of him.

    Mohammad didnt do that though. He brought in error.

    I would post more but am busy today.


    But wouldn't you say error was whatever you didn't agree with or like? Sometimes we need to really investigate and just like revelations say eat what is sweet even though it will be bitter to the stomach.

    #195580
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,12:35)

    Ed, is there anything you can say about what it says in Jude and Peter, and what you are saying about Satan?


    Hi Karmarie,

    Could you be more specific about what in Peter and Jude you want me to address?

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #195581
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2010,14:43)

    Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,13:45)
    Bod, the Holy Spirit today strengthens and brings those of His to truth and brings to rememberance the words of Jesus and truth of him.

    Mohammad didnt do that though. He brought in error.

    I would post more but am busy today.


    But wouldn't you say error was whatever you didn't agree with or like? Sometimes we need to really investigate and just like revelations say eat what is sweet even though it will be bitter to the stomach.


    Hi BD,

    Mohammad is who brought the error. (Col.2:18 / Gal.1:8-9)
    Satan is the UNHOLY angel who told the LIES! (2Cor.11:14)

    .

    #195582
    karmarie
    Participant

    Hi Ed.

    This.

    “when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand,”..(Jude 1

    Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant”,..(2nd Peter

    You know, you get a preacher who yells about the Devil, a book which claims to know all about Satan, you are also claiming things about Satan which shouldnt be done.

    #195591
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (karmarie @ June 13 2010,18:47)
    Hi Ed.

    This.

    “when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand,”..(Jude 1

    Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant”,..(2nd Peter

    You know, you get a preacher who yells about the Devil, a book which claims to know all about Satan, you are also claiming things about Satan which shouldnt be done.


    Hi Karmarie,

    Why? (Eph.6:12 / 2Peter 3:16)
    “To not fully understand the enemy is to leave oneself blind”.

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #195600
    karmarie
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2010,16:43)
    But wouldn't you say error was whatever you didn't agree with or like? Sometimes we need to really investigate and just like revelations say eat what is sweet even though it will be bitter to the stomach.


    Hi bod,  I have already done that,  investigated, iv looked at Islam, you know that, I almost…almost became one but I couldnt bring myself to say those words….God has no Son. Im not speaking in ignorance you know that. So, error is what I myself see as error from what I knew already. Where you see it as a correction to what you knew already., or a further revelation

    So, what is sweet like honey but bitter to the stomach..John was told to eat the scroll.

     ” Thy words have been found, and I eat them, And Thy word is to me for a joy, And for the rejoicing of my heart, For Thy name is called on me, O Jehovah, God of Hosts.” Jeremiah 15:16

    But the bitter…

    “Most men feel pleasure in looking into future events, and all good men like to receive a word from God. But when this book of prophecy was thoroughly digested by the apostle, the contents would be bitter; there were things so awful and terrible, such grievous persecutions of the people of God, such desolations in the earth, that the foresight and foreknowledge of them would be painful to his mind”….From Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary.

    #195606
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Karmarie,

    Why shouldn't I (according to the way 'you think') tell people about satan?

    God bless
    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #195614
    karmarie
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2010,21:38)
    Hi Karmarie,

    Why? (Eph.6:12 / 2Peter 3:16)
    “To not fully understand the enemy is to leave oneself blind”.

    Ed J
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed, why? I dont fear the devil. If you have God why worry? When you pray the devil flees, so why the obsession, why get into all of that? Things you dont know, assuming things which arent safe to assume, and writting about it, giving it away as a free ebook, when there is such a clear warning in Jude and peter not to do that. But your not understanding those verses I showed you. Please, try and understand them.

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