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Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,14:23) Jesus Mother was NOT the “sister of Arron” – the quran is W-R-O-N-G! Why are you denying THIS CLEAR ERROR in the quran?
Jesus is not the son of David or the son of Abraham or the son of Joseph especially if He is the son of God. But I accept the fact that these are all allegorical and not literal.The Quran is not wrong in this matter nor would it even make any sense for it to be wrong f Muhammad thought Mary to be the sister of Moses he would have considered the Gospel and torah be sent down at the exact same time.
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #7)
Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2013,15:28) Who is the father of Joseph? MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Hi BD,Matt.1:1-16 is Joesph's lineage (Mary's husband). “And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary”
Luke 3:23-35 is Mary's linage back to David.
“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph”
“As was supposed” is inferring that Joseph is Joseph is NOT Jesus' father, meaning it is Mary's lineage.The bible is correct, while the quran is W-R-O-N-G!
Ed (witness)
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2013,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,14:23) Jesus Mother was NOT the “sister of Arron” – the quran is W-R-O-N-G! Why are you denying THIS CLEAR ERROR in the quran?
Jesus is not the son of David or the son of Abraham or the son of Joseph especially if He is the son of God.
But I accept the fact that these are all allegorical and not literal.
WRONG!Jesus' lineage (through Mary) goes all the way back to Adam. (see Luke 3:23-38)
Ed (witness)
Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,16:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2013,15:28) Who is the father of Joseph? MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Hi BD,Matt.1:1-16 is Joesph's lineage (Mary's husband). “And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary”
Luke 3:23-35 is Mary's linage back to David.
“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph”
“As was supposed” is inferring that Joseph is Joseph is NOT Jesus' father, meaning it is Mary's lineage.The bible is correct, while the quran is W-R-O-N-G!
Ed (witness)
I sked you who was the father of Joseph?It says Jacob begat Joseph in MAT 1:16
In LUK 3:23 it sas tht Joseph is th son of HELI
Who is theFaher of Joseph?
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2013,12:38) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,16:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2013,15:28) Who is the father of Joseph? MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Hi BD,Matt.1:1-16 is Joesph's lineage (Mary's husband). “And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary”
Luke 3:23-35 is Mary's linage back to David.
“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph”
“As was supposed” is inferring that Joseph is Joseph is NOT Jesus' father, meaning it is Mary's lineage.The bible is correct, while the quran is W-R-O-N-G!
Ed (witness)
I sked you who was the father of Joseph?It says Jacob begat Joseph in MAT 1:16
In LUK 3:23 it sas tht Joseph is th son of HELI
Who is theFaher of Joseph?
Hi BD,Jacob is the father of Joseph, while
Heli is the father of Mary, furthermore
the HolySpirit is the father of Jesus Christ.
It's pretty simple to understand Bodhitharta.“We have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)Do you know who “the father of spirits” is Asana?
Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,05:04) Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,09:36) To all, The error of the Quran is its teachings are powerless to make its adherents righteous as Allah is righteous. Many of those who claim to go be Scripture have doctrines that are in a like manner are powerless. In the true doctrine is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes”.
That's what it says in the Quranthose who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)
bodhitharta,You are not understanding my point.
Romans 1:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
This righteousness and holiness is like God's.
Ephesians 4:24
King James Version (KJV)24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Ed,
Quote Jacob is the father of Joseph, while
Heli is the father of Mary, furthermoreWhy do you believe this?
Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2013,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,05:04) Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,09:36) To all, The error of the Quran is its teachings are powerless to make its adherents righteous as Allah is righteous. Many of those who claim to go be Scripture have doctrines that are in a like manner are powerless. In the true doctrine is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes”.
That's what it says in the Quranthose who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)
bodhitharta,You are not understanding my point.
Romans 1:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
This righteousness and holiness is like God's.
Ephesians 4:24
King James Version (KJV)24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Romans 1:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
THIS IS ISLAM
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 10 2013,08:59) Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2013,13:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,05:04) Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,09:36) To all, The error of the Quran is its teachings are powerless to make its adherents righteous as Allah is righteous. Many of those who claim to go be Scripture have doctrines that are in a like manner are powerless. In the true doctrine is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes”.
That's what it says in the Quranthose who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)
bodhitharta,You are not understanding my point.
Romans 1:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
This righteousness and holiness is like God's.
Ephesians 4:24
King James Version (KJV)24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Romans 1:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
THIS IS ISLAM
bodhitharta,First the righteousness from God has no sin in it.
Second is where is it written in the Quran?Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,14:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,13:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,11:44) You see at this point you should say good point learn and move on to another topic to learn, will you do that?
This thread WILL prove the errors in the quran, but will YOU accept the truth?
If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede but you still haven't conceded the fact that the term “Daughter of Aaron” or “sister of Aaron” are not errors and this first attempt of yours has failed, if you can agree we can go forward if not don't waste either of our time.
Hi BD,As I told you before Elizabeth “was” of the daughters of Arron.
The Hebrew doesn't have any equivalent to “Grand Daughter”,
“Great Grand Daughter”, “Great Great Grand Daughter”” ect…Likewise Jesus was the “Son of David”, because he was literally the:
“Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great
Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great
Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great
Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grand Son of David. (see Luke 3:23-31)Quote If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede
The NEXT post will document that the quran is in error.
The “Sister of Arron” is the “Daughter of Amram”Ed (witness)
Saba, SavtaThe Hebrew words for grandfather and grandmother.
EDJ are you Caught in a lie here?
Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,12:27) Hi BD, Are you suggesting that these words existed when the bible was written?
Ed
Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature.
Ed J,
Where do you come by the idea Elizabeth is the daughter of Aaron? Scripture states she is the cousin of Mary, who is the daughter of David. Elizabeth's husband is a son of Aaron.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,06:08) Ed J, Where do you come by the idea Elizabeth is the daughter of Aaron? Scripture states she is the cousin of Mary, who is the daughter of David. Elizabeth's husband is a son of Aaron.
No Kerwin, Elisabeth was of the daughters of Aaron – meaning her lineage was Levite.“A certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia:
and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron,
and her name was Elisabeth.” (Luke 1:5) And Elisabeth
was cousin to Mary(Luke 1:36), Jesus' biological Mother.Mary's Mother, who was a 100% Levite woman married Heli, who was of the tribe of Judah.
This makes Mary's lineage 50% Levite and 50% Judah. Making Jesus' lineage “Priest”, “King”,
and “Son of God”. Son of God because the HolySpirit was Jesus' Father. (Matt.1:18, Luke 1:35)
“Son of Man” as he had the lineage of Priest through Levi, and the lineage of King through David.Now to your question: Elizabeth was of the lineage of Aaron – thus she is called of the daughters of Aaron.
Mary's Mother and Elizabeth's Mother were sisters (both Levites through Aaron, son of Levi).
Elizabeth's husband was also 100% Levite. For a Levitical Priest to serve in God's temple,
he “MUST* marry a woman who is 100% Levite. Confirming she is a daughter of Aaron.Therefore John the baptist was son of Aaron, while Jesus was son of David.
I hope you now understand the facts concerning their Earthly geologies.
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed JQuote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,03:54) Quote (kerwin @ July 12 2013,06:08) Ed J, Where do you come by the idea Elizabeth is the daughter of Aaron? Scripture states she is the cousin of Mary, who is the daughter of David. Elizabeth's husband is a son of Aaron.
No Kerwin, Elisabeth was of the daughters of Aaron – meaning her lineage was Levite.“A certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia:
and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron,
and her name was Elisabeth.” (Luke 1:5) And Elisabeth
was cousin to Mary(Luke 1:36), Jesus' biological Mother.Mary's Mother, who was a 100% Levite woman married Heli, who was of the tribe of Judah.
This makes Mary's lineage 50% Levite and 50% Judah. Making Jesus' lineage “Priest”, “King”,
and “Son of God”. Son of God because the HolySpirit was Jesus' Father. (Matt.1:18, Luke 1:35)
“Son of Man” as he had the lineage of Priest through Levi, and the lineage of King through David.Now to your question: Elizabeth was of the lineage of Aaron – thus she is called of the daughters of Aaron.
Mary's Mother and Elizabeth's Mother were sisters (both Levites through Aaron, son of Levi).
Elizabeth's husband was also 100% Levite. For a Levitical Priest to serve in God's temple,
he “MUST* marry a woman who is 100% Levite. Confirming she is a daughter of Aaron.Therefore John the baptist was son of Aaron, while Jesus was son of David.
I hope you now understand the facts concerning their Earthly geologies.Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
Ed J,So either she was the daughter of Mary's aunt or the relationship was more distant.
Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2013,08:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 11 2013,16:09) ED you were wrong but I already know you will not concede, it's not your nature. No BD, it is the quran that has been proven wrong
and you will not concede even though you said you would…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,14:10) If you are correct I will definitely be more than glad to concede… The “daughter of Amram”– the “sister of Arron”
makes 'the Mary of islam' THE WRONG MARY!Quote (quran @ Sura 3 35-36 ) 35:(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran(Amram) said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower! 36: And when she was
delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female – Allah knew best of what she was delivered –
the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I craveThy protection for her and for her offspring(Jesus called Isa) from Satan the outcast.
Quote (quran @ Sura 66 12) And Mary, daughter of 'Imran(Amram), whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit (conceiving Jesus called Isa).
And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Muhammad got THE WRONG MARY!Here is the biblical evidence proving what I say is correct:
“The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. And the sons of
Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. And the children
of Amram(Imran); Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam(Mary).” (1 Chronicles 6:1-3)Ed (witness)
The Quran refers to Mary as being from the “house of Amram”, which is a reference to Amram, the father of Moses (Musa), Aaron (Harun) and Miriam, through whom Mary descended. Mary is further called the “daughter of Amram”, which has again been interpreted to refer to her ancestor rather than her actual father, who is unnamed in the Quran, but to whom Christian tradition applies the name Joachim. Muslim scholars and commentators have seen the Quran's statement of Mary being a “daughter of Amram” as similar to the description of Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke as being one of the “daughters of Aaron”; they interpret both of these phrases as referring to ancestral fathers, rather than literal fathers. Take note, however, that the Gospel of Luke only says Mary and Elizabeth are relatives. There is no phrase “the daughter of Aaron.” (Only Luke 1 mentions Elizabeth.)
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