Questions about Jesus

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Quote (kenrch @ April 20 2007,15:29)

94, So the Word was God's thoughts of His Son? “He came down from heaven in two ways.  First, he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and second, the Word of God that he obeyed came from God.  This is the spirit that was formed by God in Jesus as he learned to apply God's Word in his daily life.  The origin of the Word (God's thoughts as to what he would teach his Son were with God in the beginning). God made every thing that he made with Jesus in mind”. Are thoughts created?  God created the thoughts of His Son. God planned His Son Jesus with His thoughts which was the Word?

Hi Krench:

God knew from the beginning that at the appointed time in the future he would conceive a Son who would be born from the virgin Mary, and so in the Old Testament God speaks prophetically about the coming of His Son.  If God speaks prohectically is it not his Word?  He also knew that He would teach his Son when he became a reality. And so the life giving spirit (God's Word in practice) that Jesus would become was also with God in the beginning.  God taught his Son just as any Father would also teach his son.

Jesus did not teach his own thoughts.  He taught and obeyed God's Word, yes God's thoughts. 

Our Father and God also now teaches us through the Word that he spoke through Jesus to humanity and the very Word that Jesus obeyed without sin unto death on the cross.

God Bless

[Not3in1]

94 – so very nicely put! Amen!

I especially liked that you used the word “conception.” Remember, life begins at conception!

[Not3in1]

I see the Word became flesh but nothing about a Son becoming flesh.
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Ken, excellent point! Thank you.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
You say
“He also knew that He would teach his Son when became a reality”.
The Word was with God even in the Beginning.
Sounds like a reality to me.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2007,16:28)

Hi 94, You say “He also knew that He would teach his Son when became a reality”. The Word was with God even in the Beginning. Sounds like a reality to me.

Hi Nick:

1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;  
1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:  
1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,  

By my statement of Jesus becoming a reality, I am referring to what the Apostle Peter states in Verse 20 above.

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Indeed his being sent from heaven was preordained.
He had to exist to be sent.

Rom 8
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2007,15:44)

Hi 94, Indeed his being sent from heaven was preordained. He had to exist to be sent. Rom 8 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Hi Nick:

I don't believe that Jesus existed a sentient being before he was born of the virgin Mary.  The Word of God (the spirit of the Son) existed with God from the beginning.  In fact I will paste the following scripture to show that this true:

1Co 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But I have given my understanding in my post on April 20th to brother Krench my post #412.  

If you disagree with this, then please give me your understanding of how Jesus pre-existed before he was born of the virgin Mary.

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Compare that verse with 1 Peter 1.10f and you may see that it was the Prophetic Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God that is spoken of here.
The monogenes son is called beloved.
Luke 20:13
Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

Did God love a plan or a concept??

[Not3in1]

94, if you have been following this pre-existent thread with Nick and I – you will find it very interesting indeed. I believe he has a unique view of the so-called pre-existent Christ. I do not share his view, but it is an interesting one. Good luck I'll be tuning in to see where you two go with this subject.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2007,16:15)

Hi 94, Compare that verse with 1 Peter 1.10f and you may see that it was the Prophetic Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God that is spoken of here. The monogenes son is called beloved. Luke 20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. Did God love a plan or a concept??

Hi Nick:

The verses in 1 Peter to which you refer me refer to the Prophets who did not understand what the Holy Ghost was showing relative to the coming of Jesus into the world such as the prophecy of Isaiah 53.  They did not understand what period of time that these events were to occur.  This in itself shows that Jesus did not exist as a sentient person but was to come into the world at some time in the future.  At the time that God was speaking to the prophets, He was prophetically speaking of his coming into the world.

But the following verse speaks of the children of Israel “drinking of the spiritual drink”.  This refers to the Word of God that came to them.  Also, Psalm 82 states: “I have said you are gods; and all of you are children of the most High”.  Jesus refers to this when he states: “Is it not written in your law, I said, you are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say he of him, whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world.  Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God.

1Co 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

These in the Old Testament were considered children of God because they had been taught the Word of God and were striving to obey the Word.  This is the spiritual drink to which 1 Co. 10:4 refers.  

Also, Jesus was not sent into the vineyard until his ministry at the age of 30, and what did he say to Jesus at that time?

He said, 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

God has forseen everything from the beginning of creation and he knew that he would concieve a Son, but no, he did not exist as a sentient person before this time.

God loved us also before we were born again.  1Jo 4:10
Herein * * is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

And so, God loved all of his children that were to be from creation unto the end of time.

God Bless

[Cult Buster]

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I don't believe that Jesus existed a sentient being before he was born of the virgin Mary.  The Word of God (the spirit of the Son) existed with God from the beginning.

Try to digest the following 94.

Compare
Psa 41:13  Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
With
MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.

Zec 7:11  But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

[NickHassan]

Hi CB,
Did you not know the Word was WITH GOD in the beginning?

[Unisage]

Quote (Cult Buster @ May 02 2007,01:53)

942767 Quote I don't believe that Jesus existed a sentient being before he was born of the virgin Mary.  The Word of God (the spirit of the Son) existed with God from the beginning. Try to digest the following 94. Compare Psa 41:13  Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen. With MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting. Zec 7:11  But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

Please read Micah 5:2-4 closely, see in verse 4, YAHWEH is Jesus God…
how can anyone explain that?

[Unisage]

I thought I toss that In.

[Tim2]

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Please read Micah 5:2-4 closely, see in verse 4, YAHWEH is Jesus God

Ok Unisage, I admit that you are right. Yahweh is Jesus, God.

Tim

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim2,
You forgot to add “Son of God”
Somehow it always seems to have little priority with you.
But he strongly empahsised the fact.

Jn 10
“36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.”

[NickHassan]

Hi U,
Micah 5
“4And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD,[so is not that Lord God]
in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God[so is not that Lord God];
and they shall abide[two abiding]
: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.[God is ever great] “

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (music4two @ Mar. 15 2007,02:49)

Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 14 2007,12:43) JESUS IS JEHOVAH AND EQUAL WITH GOD Compare MATTHEW 13:13-15 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and {their} ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with {their} eyes, and hear with {their} ears, and should understand with {their} heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. With ISAIAH 6:9-10 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. (10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. JOHN 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. (18) Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. JOHN 10:30-33 I and {my} Father are one. (31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. (32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? (33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. JOHN 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew {it} unto you. Compare JEREMIAH 22:5 But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the Lord, that this house shall become a desolation. With MATTHEW 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, {thou} that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under {her} wings, and ye would not! (38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. MATTHEW 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, Compare JOHN 12:37-38 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: (38) That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? JOHN 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. With ISAIAH 6:1-5 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. (2) Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. (3) And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, {is} the Lord of hosts: the whole earth {is} full of his glory. (4) And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. (5) Then said I, Woe {is} me! for I am undone; because I {am} a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.<<< JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. ROMANS 9:5 Whose {are} the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ {came}, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. {RSV, NIV: “Christ, who is God over all”} PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. TITUS 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {RSV,NIV: “our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ”} Compare Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre With Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 2 PETER 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: {RSV, NIV: “our God and Saviour Jesus Christ”} Compare Psa 102:24  I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations. Psa 102:25  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. With HEBREWS 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: {God the Father calls the Son “Lord.” REVELATION 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Arche (“Beginning”) The Greek for “beginning” is arche, from which we get our word “architect.” Its literal meaning, according to Greek scholars, is “origin, active cause, source, uncreated principle.” So the above verse is describing Jesus as the “architect,” or Creator of the Universe. In Rev 21:6 “arche” is applied to the Father, so it can't possibly mean “created being,” as Jehovah's Witnesses and other heretics maintain. Compare Psa 41:13  Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen. With MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting. JOHN 5:23 That all {men} should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. REVELATION 5:8 . . . the four beasts and four {and} twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Compare REVELATION 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. With Gen 17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Compare 1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the though ts: With MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . . REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . . Compare JEREMIAH 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord. With MATTHEW 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Compare DANIEL 9:9 To the Lord our God {belong} mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; LUKE 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? With LUKE 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. MARK 2:5-10 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. (6) But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, (7) Why doth this {man} thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? ACTS 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon {God}, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Mat 26:63  But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Mat 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mat 26:65  Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; (The high priest understood Jesus’ claim to be God and wrongly accused Him of blasphemy.) Blasphemy can only be committed against God. Compare Isa 40:3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. With Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Mar 1:1  The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mar 1:2  As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Mar 1:3  The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Jer 23:5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch(Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Compare Mar 2:28  Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. With Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: 1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Deu 32:3  Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. Deu 32:4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. 1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. 1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. Psa 78:35  And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer. 1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Exo 20:2  I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Mal 3:6  For I am the LORD (yhovah), I change not; Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Exo 3:14  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Joh 8:57  Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Joh 8:59  Then took they up stones to cast at him: (because Jesus claimed the name of God) Jehovah said: “…and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced” (Zec. 12:10). The preceding verses (1, 4, 7, 8) identify Jehovah as the one speaking. Christ is the one who was pierced, and John 19:37 clearly tells us that this prophecy was fulfilled in His crucifixion. *EZEKIEL 34:11-12,15,22,31 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, {even} I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. (12) As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep {that are} scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day . . . (15) I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God . . . (22) Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle . . . (31) And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, {are} men, {and} I {am} your God, saith the Lord God. {cf. Ps 23:1, 80:1, 100:3, Is 40:11, Jer 23:1, 31:10} +JOHN 10:7,11,14-16,26-29 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep . . . (11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep . . . (14) I am the good shepherd, and know my {sheep}, and am known of mine. (15) As the Father knoweth me, even so I know the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, {and} one shepherd . . . (26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. (27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any {man} pluck them out of my hand. (29) My Father, which gave {them} me, is greater than all; and no {man} is able to pluck {them} out of my Father's hand. {cf. Ezek 34:23, Mic 5:4, Zech 13:7 w/Mt 26:31, Heb 13:20, 1 Pet 5:4, Rev 7:17} *ISAIAH 40:8 . . . the word of our God shall stand for ever. +MATTHEW 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. *PSALM 148:1-2 Praise ye the Lord. Praise ye the Lord from the heavens: praise him in the heights. (2) Praise ye him, all his angels : praise ye him, all his hosts. +HEBREWS 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. *ISAIAH 62:5 For {as} a young man marrieth a virgin, {so} shall thy sons marry thee: and {as} the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, {so} shall thy God rejoice over thee. {cf. Is 54:5-6, Hos 2:16-20} +REVELATION 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. {cf. Mt 24:44, 25:1,6,13, Jn 3:29, Rev 21:9} *DEUTERONOMY 10:17 For the Lord your God {is} God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, . . . {cf. Ps 136:2-3, 1 Tim 6:15} +REVELATION 17:14 . . . the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . . .{cf. Rev 19:16} *ISAIAH 48:17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; . . . {cf. 10:20, 43:3, 1 Sam 2:2, Ps 89:18} +ACTS 3:13-14 The God o f Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; . . . (14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, . . . {cf. Acts 2:27 w/ Ps 16:10, Is 49:7} *REVELATION 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: . . . {cf. Is 60:19} +REVELATION 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb {is} the light thereof. *DEUTERONOMY 32:39 . . . neither {is there any} that can deliver out of my hand. {cf. Jn 10:29} +JOHN 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any {man} pluck them out of my hand. *PROVERBS 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son {in whom} he delighteth. +REVELATION 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. *PSALM 62:12 . . . unto thee, O Lord, {belongeth} mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work. {cf. Is 40:10} +MATTHEW 16:27 For the Son of man shall . . . reward every man according to his works. +REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward {is} with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. *EZEKIEL 34:17 . . . Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. +MATTHEW 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth {his} sheep from the goats: *GALATIANS 1:4-5 . . . according to the will of God and our Father: (5) To whom {be} glory for ever and ever. Amen. +2 PETER 3:18 . . . our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him {be} glory both now and for ever. Amen. {cf. Heb 13:21} *JOHN 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and {of} the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. {cf. Mt 21;31, Lk 7:28, Acts 1:3, Rom 14:17, 1 Cor 4:20, 15:50, Col 4:11, Rev 12:10} +COLOSSIANS 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated {us} into the kingdom of his dear Son: {cf. Jn 18:36, Eph 5:5, 2 Tim 4:1, Heb 1:8, 2 Pet 1:1} *ROMANS 7:22 . . . the law of God . . . {cf. Ps 19:7} +GALATIANS 6:2 . . . fulfil the law of Christ. *ROMANS 8:9 . . . the Spirit of God . . . +ROMANS 8:9 . . . the Spirit of Christ, .. . *PSALM 71:5 For thou {art} my hope, O Lord God: . . . +1 TIMOTHY 1:1 . . . Lord Jesus Christ, {which is} our hope; *TITUS 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, +ACTS 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. *REVELATION 22:6 . . . the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel . . . +REVELATION 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches . . . *ROMANS 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called {to be} an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, {cf. Mk 1:14, Rom 15:16, 1 Thess 2:2,8-9, 1 Pet 4:17} +ROMANS 15:19 . . . I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. {cf. Rom 1:16, 1 Cor 9:12, 2 Cor 2:12, 1 Thess 3:2} *1 CORINTHIANS 15:9 . . . I persecuted the church of God. {cf. 1 Cor 11:22, Gal 1:13} +MATTHEW 16:18 . . . thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; . . . +ROMANS 16:16 . . . The churches of Christ salute you. *TITUS 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, . . . {cf. Rom 12:11, Lk 4:8- “. . . him only shalt thou serve”} +ROMANS 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, . . . {cf. Eph 6:6, Col 3:24; servants of both: Jas 1:1, Rev 7:3, 11:18, 19:5} *ISAIAH 43:3 For I {am} the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: . . . 2) *ISAIAH 43:11 I, {even} I, {am} the Lord; and beside me {there is} no saviour. 3) *ISAIAH 49:26 . . . I the Lord {am} thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. 4) *HOSEA 13:4 Yet I {am} the Lord thy God . . . {there is} no saviour beside me. {cf. Ps 106:21, Is 45:21-22, 60:16, 63:8} 5) *LUKE 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 6) *1 TIMOTHY 4:10 . . . the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. {cf. 1 Tim 1:1, 2:3, 2 Tim 1:9, Titus 1:3, 2:10, 3:4, Jude 1:25} 1) #ISAIAH 49:5-6 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb {to be} his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, . . . (6) And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 1)+LUKE 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 2)4) +ACTS 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand {to be} a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 5) +TITUS 2:13 . . . great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 6) +2 PETER 1:1 . . . God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 7) +1 JOHN 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son {to be} the Saviour of the world. 1)*ISAIAH 45:23 . . . unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. {cf. 66:23} 2)2) +PHILIPPIANS 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: (10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of {things} in heaven, and {things} in earth, and {things} under the earth; (11) And {that} every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ {is} Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 1)*ISAIAH 35:4 . . . behold, your God will come {with} vengeance, {even} God {with} a recompence; he will come and save you. 2) *ISAIAH 40:5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see {it} together: . . . 3) *ISAIAH 40:10 Behold, the Lord God will come with strong {hand}, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward {is} with him, and his work before him. 2)7) *JOEL 2:10-11 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: (11) And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp {is} very great: for {he is} strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord {is} great and very terrible; and who can abide it? 3)5) +2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-8 . . . the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 6) +REVELATION 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they {also} which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {cf. Zech 12:10} 4)8) +REVELATION 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward {is} with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 1)*PSALM 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is {judge} himself. Selah. 2) 3)*PSALM 96:13 Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth. 3) *ECCLESIASTES 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether {it be} good or whether {it be} evil. 4)1) +JOHN 5:22,27 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son . . . (27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 2) +JOHN 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 3) +ACTS 10:42 . . . it is he which was ordained of God {to be} the Judge of quic k and dead. 4) +2 TIMOTHY 4:1 I charge {thee} therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 5)5) +REVELATION 6:16-17 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: (17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? 6)) +REVELATION 19:11,15 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him {was} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war . . . (15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 1)*PSALM 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he {is} the King of glory. Selah 2)8) +REVELATION 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . . . Compare Psa 102:24  I said, O my God, do not take me up in the half of my days; Your years are through the generation of generations. Psa 102:25  Before time You founded the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. Psa 102:26  They shall perish, but You shall endure; yea, all of them shall wear out like a garment; You shall change them like clothing, and they shall be changed. Psa 102:27  But You are He, and Your years shall not be ended. With Heb 1:8  but as to the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom; Heb 1:9  You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows.” Psa. 45:6, 7 Heb 1:10  And, “You, Lord, at the beginning founded the earth, and the heavens are works of Your hands. Heb 1:11  They will vanish away, but You will continue; and they will all become old, like a garment, Heb 1:12  and You shall fold them up like a covering, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail. Compare Isa 6:1  In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Isa 6:2  Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. Isa 6:3  And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Isa 6:10  Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. With Joh 12:36  While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them. Joh 12:37  But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: Joh 12:38  That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Joh 12:39  Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, Joh 12:40  He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Joh 12:41  These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. Compare Psa 7:8  The LORD (Jehovah) shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me. Psa 7:9  Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. 1Ki 8:39  Then hear thou (Jehovah)  in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;) With Rev 2:23  And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I (Jesus) am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Thanks for the entertainment. Not much truth to it but it was funny.

Hi

Does everyone remember m42? The guy that started calling people monkeys and names, because they wouldnt agree with his functionality concept?

I was reading over some post and came across this and couldnt help but chuckle a little.

CB pasted a whole book of scriptures, with little comment of his own and M42s response was…

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Thanks for the entertainment. Not much truth to it but it was funny.

Yes m42 it was funny!  

[Not3in1]

WJ – exposing your brother? You must be bored tonight, huh?

I've actually had some PM's with this M42 (he PM'd me), and he does have some ideas to share. They may not all be scriptural, but he doesn't deserve to be mocked. Goodnight.

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
You say
“God has forseen everything from the beginning of creation and he knew that he would concieve a Son, but no, he did not exist as a sentient person before this time.”
So did Christ not agree to come as Phil 2 suggests?

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