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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 19 2007,17:53) Quote We weren't born perfect, but we weren't born a sinner. The moment we became sinners was win we first sinned.
MS
What do you think of these scriptures?
Pss 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Rom 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Hi W,
What about the questions?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 19 2007,17:53) Quote We weren't born perfect, but we weren't born a sinner. The moment we became sinners was win we first sinned.
MS
What do you think of these scriptures?
Pss 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Rom 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Hi W,
What about the questions?And Jb 25
4How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?5Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
6How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
If a person, hypothetically, never sinned a day in their life would they be judged a sinner because of Adam's sin?
Hi MS,
“All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”
Not acknowledging and worshipping God is sin.
Besides all have fallen short.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2007,18:55) Hi MS,
“All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”
Not acknowledging and worshipping God is sin.
Besides all have fallen short.
I agree Nick.Speaking purely in the hypothetical.
Quote If a person, hypothetically, never sinned a day in their life would they be judged a sinner because of Adam's sin? MS
Thats what the word says. Thats why Jesus came because non could ever be righteous or overcome the sin nature.
We were dead in our sins because of Adam.
Col 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;This is why we need the new birth or so that our old sinful nature that we were born with would die and the new creation man would be in us.
II Cor 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.We have put on the new man.
So again without Jesus we had no hope.
Pss 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Rom 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:Hi NH,
Just to clarify – do you hold that Yahshua committed sins (i.e. transgression of the law) before He was baptised at the Jordan?Hi Is 1.18,
No. He never sinned.
But conceived of Mary he was born in the same state we are.
He overcame.
He claimed the promised land and fulfilled the Law and all righteousness.Quote Hi Is 1.18,
No. He never sinned.
But conceived of Mary he was born in the same state we are.
He overcame.
He claimed the promised land and fulfilled the Law and all righteousness.No.
Were you born of a virgin concieved by the Holy Ghost? Were you the Lord of heaven? Were you the Word/God?
Human reason will never make sence of the things of God!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 19 2007,21:13) Quote Hi Is 1.18,
No. He never sinned.
But conceived of Mary he was born in the same state we are.
He overcame.
He claimed the promised land and fulfilled the Law and all righteousness.No.
Were you born of a virgin concieved by the Holy Ghost? Were you the Lord of heaven? Were you the Word/God?
Human reason will never make sence of the things of God!
And here you are using human reason to express a thing of God.Quote And here you are using human reason to express a thing of God. MS
And so is your opinion like mine!
The thing that confuses me about your interpretation of original sin is that you seem to think that is passes through males.
You don't think Mary carries the stain of original sin as well (speaking from your perspective)?
Quote The thing that confuses me about your interpretation of original sin is that you seem to think that is passes through males. You don't think Mary carries the stain of original sin as well (speaking from your perspective)?
MS
Thats not my opinion, its the opinion of the scriptures!
So females can't pass on original sin?
Do females have original sin?
If a cloned human female embryo was ever produced would it be the first non-divine human without original sin?
Quote You don't think Mary carries the stain of original sin as well (speaking from your perspective)? MS
Mary was a sinner also, But the bloodline of the male comes down through the Father. The first adam brought sin into the human race and death passed to all men.
But Jesus is the second adam and the Lord from heaven.1 Corinthians 15:45
So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Quote So females can't pass on original sin? Do females have original sin?
If a cloned human female embryo was ever produced would it be the first non-divine human without original sin?
No. Because of the conception of the Holy Spirit!
Heb 10:
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.The body of Jesus was prepared through conception of the Holy Spirit. If Jesus body was tainted by sin then he couldnt be the Spotless Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Hi W,
The lamb of God was delivered for sacrifice at the end of thirty or so years. That makes no statement about him being born a superman. He really was like to us so we can follow him and overcome in the power of the Spirit of God.Quote Hi W,
The lamb of God was delivered for sacrifice at the end of thirty or so years. That makes no statement about him being born a superman. He really was like to us so we can follow him and overcome in the power of the Spirit of God.NH
Who said superman. Are we not supposed to do the works that he did through the Spirit.
The difference is that Jesus is the Lord from heaven.
Can we go around forgiving sins? No.
Can we go around recieveing worship? No
Can we claim to raise ourselves from the dead? No
Can we claim to be the Bread of life? No
Can we claim to be the Ressurection and the Lfe? No
Can we claim to be the Door? No
Can we claim to the way the truth and the life? No
Can we call all men to come to us and we would give them rest? No
Can we claim to be the “Good Shephard” ? No
Could go on about this wonderful Jesus that we serve. But hope you get my point.
Jesus was man. But only God could make the above claims.
Jn 20:
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.[/B]Things that Jesus did!
Men hated Jesus because of his claim to Jesus, and they still get upset when anyone sees it like Thomas did today!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 19 2007,23:16) Quote Hi W,
The lamb of God was delivered for sacrifice at the end of thirty or so years. That makes no statement about him being born a superman. He really was like to us so we can follow him and overcome in the power of the Spirit of God.NH
Who said superman. Are we not supposed to do the works that he did through the Spirit.
The difference is that Jesus is the Lord from heaven.
Can we go around forgiving sins? No.
Can we go around recieveing worship? No
Can we claim to raise ourselves from the dead? No
Can we claim to be the Bread of life? No
Can we claim to be the Ressurection and the Lfe? No
Can we claim to be the Door? No
Can we claim to the way the truth and the life? No
Can we call all men to come to us and we would give them rest? No
Can we claim to be the “Good Shephard” ? No
Could go on about this wonderful Jesus that we serve. But hope you get my point.
Jesus was man. But only God could make the above claims.
Jn 20:
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.[/B]Things that Jesus did!
Men hated Jesus because of his claim to Jesus, and they still get upset when anyone sees it like Thomas did today!
Hi W,
So Christ did the works through the Spirit?
I agree.
He did not do works in his own power as he had emptied himself.
If the Spirit is the source of the power of God ,Who to you is a trinity, then is the Father powerless?
Of course if the Spirit is of God and not another person then there is no problemQuote Hi W,
So Christ did the works through the Spirit?
I agree.
He did not do works in his own power as he had emptied himself.
If the Spirit is the source of the power of God ,Who to you is a trinity, then is the Father powerless?
Of course if the Spirit is of God and not another person then there is no problemNH
Look again. The claims Jesus made that I listed was of his own deity, not the Father in him!
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