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There are many scholars out there and I thought that knowing God from the beginning would be helpful, however by the results of “Truth Check” thread it doesn't seem anyone really cares as Just Askin put it.
The first time something is written about in the Bible usually has signigicant meaning and usually sets the foundation for the rest of the Bible, so that is why I was talking about “Spirit Elohim”.
First-time mentioned:
Elohim (God) Gen 1:1
Spirit Elohim Gen 1:2
YHWH Elohim Gen 2:4Notice that Spirit and YHWH are an intrical part of Elohim and are not found by themselves.
YHWH Elohim is mentioned 19 times before YHWH is used alone.
Why look up the gender of Spirit Elohim? Or even YHWH Elohim?
We know that Elohim per Gen 1:27 is “male and female” so that brings about the question who is Male and who is Female?
But before answering the question an astute Bible studier would see that Spirit God/Elohim is not the same as YHWH God/Elohim.
Easily everyone identifies YHWH Elohim as masculine, which would by logic leave Spirit Elohim as feminine to ascertain what was written in Gen 1:27.
However, since people have trouble believing that God is feminine/female I asked in “Truth Check” for each person to do a 3 minute research task to see for themselves what the “truth” about Elohim/God is.
Once YOU discovered that Spirit Elohim is feminine/female no one could lie to you and tell you that Spirit Elohim is a Father (or son).
But, I found that “truth” is not what people want here and refused to look it up, called it irrelevant and nonsense. Someone even commented that Hebrew and Greek weren't the languages that the Bible was written in, it was English!
For those that want to deceive you they would tell you, “Knowing God and which gender each essence is, IS irrelevant and nonsense.
I asked that you researched the word the first time it appeared in the Bible so that there couldn't be any confusion as to what it meant nor could anyone deceive you.
Instead of using my assistance as I tried to help you, you prefer(ed) to remain ignorant and will allow anyone to post lies contrary to what is written in the Bible.
Also, by not adhering to the information and recognizing that Spirit Elohim is a distinct and separate “person” from YHWH Elohim you will tell people that Spirit Elohim is a part of YHWH Elohim which is not true.
In the first 35 verses of the Bible you will find that Elohim consists of two essences, which are male and female and these two essences are also listed as distinct “individuals”.
Just as people pointed out in other posts men (male) and women (female) are not the same person. Neither is God's Male and Female…they are distinct and separate in their identity and function.
Spirit Elohim demonstrates two things: that Spirit is feminine and is a part of ELOHIM (not YHWH); YHWH Elohim shows that YHWH is masculine and is part of Elohim.
People will tell you that Spirit is part of YHWH whereas these first verses prove otherwise. Spirit is part of Elohim and YHWH is part of Elohim so when “God” sends out His Spirit, Spirit gets the job done, not YHWH.
Ironically, YHWH does not have control of His own spirit but Spirit Elohim, does. So when YHWH wants to send His spirit, Spirit goes out and does the job.
1 Cor 2:11 (b) Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
When I began writing this post not a single person from over 100 views dared to look up and post the results of WHAT (part of speech and gender) Spirit Elohim is….from Gen 1:2 and from the Hebrew Lexicon. We've had Greek and English, tho.
Why not?
Hi David,
I can only speak for myself, but I think most of us here agree this is a “crack-pot” notion of yours and doesn't merit any serious “study time”. I and others have clearly pointed out some errors in your theory, yet I haven't actually seen you defend it in light of those posts. Can you address these points:
1. Elohim means God. Actually it is the plural form of “God” which is used to indicate that God is very majestic…..but that is a different subject. YHVH is the personal NAME of that very majestic Elohim.
Saying Elohim YHVH is the same as saying “God Yahweh”. It lists a title along with a name, just as saying “President Obama” does. Elohim and Yahweh are not two different beings, but the name and title of one being. Do you understand this David?
2. Ruwach means “spirit” or “breath” or “wind”. The Hebrew word is “feminine” but does that mean the spirit itself is a feminine thing?
I've pointed out to you that house in Spanish is “casa”, which is a feminine word. Does that imply that Spanish houses are “chicks”?
If the feminine word “ruwach” means “breath”, does that mean that every breath a Hebrew MAN takes in HIS whole life is a “feminine” breath?
So what do you say David? Does the feminine word absolutely mean the thing that word describes is feminine?
3. JA has recently posted the following point, which I think is brilliant:
But, just one question. If the Holy Spirit is a woman, then didn't she then have a Lesbian relationship with Mary. How do two women create a child (two parts of the same question) Thanks JA!
4. If God has both male and female essences, and we are created in God's image, then why do we have either a male OR a female essence? We are not he/shes, so why would we assume God to be?
5. God is always called a HE in scripture.
6. Jesus is the exact representation of his invisible God, and he was a MALE, not a he/she.
These are just some of the many things I've seen posted to you, and maybe I missed your answers to these points, but could you address them now?
mike
Hi Mike,
I found The Bible verse you use in the bottom at your (signature of) every Post…
Job 41:11: Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him?
whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 06 2010,08:46) Hi Mike, I found The Bible verse you use in the bottom at your (signature of) every Post…
Job 41:11: Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him?
whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I LOVE that verse Ed. For some reason, I like it when God is a little sarcastic……maybe because I can relate?
I also love this one from Is 44,
16 Half of the wood he burns in the fire;
over it he prepares his meal,
he roasts his meat and eats his fill.
He also warms himself and says,
“Ah! I am warm; I see the fire.”17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol;
he bows down to it and worships.
He prays to it and says,
“Save me; you are my god.”He's saying, “Dude! You just burned half of your “god” in a fire, yet somehow you think you can carve the rest of it into a form and it will somehow be able to save you? It's a TREE, dummy!”
I laugh every time I read it.mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2010,16:17) Hi David,
1. Elohim means God. Actually it is the plural form of “God” which is used to indicate that God is very majestic…..but that is a different subject. YHVH is the personal NAME of that very majestic Elohim.Saying Elohim YHVH is the same as saying “God Yahweh”. It lists a title along with a name, just as saying “President Obama” does. Elohim and Yahweh are not two different beings, but the name and title of one being. Do you understand this David?
2. Ruwach means “spirit” or “breath” or “wind”. The Hebrew word is “feminine” but does that mean the spirit itself is a feminine thing?
I've pointed out to you that house in Spanish is “casa”, which is a feminine word. Does that imply that Spanish houses are “chicks”?
If the feminine word “ruwach” means “breath”, does that mean that every breath a Hebrew MAN takes in HIS whole life is a “feminine” breath?
So what do you say David? Does the feminine word absolutely mean the thing that word describes is feminine?
3. JA has recently posted the following point, which I think is brilliant:
But, just one question. If the Holy Spirit is a woman, then didn't she then have a Lesbian relationship with Mary. How do two women create a child (two parts of the same question) Thanks JA!
4. If God has both male and female essences, and we are created in God's image, then why do we have either a male OR a female essence? We are not he/shes, so why would we assume God to be?
5. God is always called a HE in scripture.
6. Jesus is the exact representation of his invisible God, and he was a MALE, not a he/she.
These are just some of the many things I've seen posted to you, and maybe I missed your answers to these points, but could you address them now?
mike
Hello Mike,Mike, you may have misssed many of my answers so I will try to respond, point for point.
I agree that Elohim is the plural form of “God” and Gen 1:27 expounds on WHY it is a plural form: God is Male and Female WITHIN Elohim….and that is why Elohim is referred to as “ONE”.
Why isn't Elohim the “Name” of the entity that has two essences? You choose to accept the one essence, “YHWH” Elohim, as a name, which I agree with. YHWH identifies the specific male essence that is from Elohim. Likewise, Spirit should be the Name of the female essence of Elohim so that She could be correctly identified, too. But, since She is the only Spirit and the only “She” it is impossible to get confused about whom you are talking about. However, when you discuss Elohim and YHWH it is good to be specific of which “He” you are addressing.
YOU: Elohim and Yahweh are not two different beings, but the name and title of one being.
ME: Yes, I understand what you are saying but it isn't correct. Elohim is the being that consists of YHWH and Spirit. If you can see this you won't get confused about YHWH, Elohim or Spirit….and think that Elohim only consists of YHWH….or that Spirit is a part of YHWH.
That is why the Bible has the two words together, “Spirit God” and “YHWH God” together in the verses I listed. (not “God YHWH” or God Spirit).
Nowhere do I see Elohim listed as an “office” or “title” such as President. Translators chose to put “God” for Elohim and LORD for YHWH and if we went with those translation BOTH would be considered “titles”. However, I believe YHWH is the specific NAME of the male essence and the Bible says so, no?
As the way that you treat Elohim as a “title” don't you think it a bit “odd” that an “unidentified” entity created the Heavens and the Earth? Whereas if you leave Elohim as a Name, Chapter 1 of Genesis makes better sense. Elohim created…Elohim said, Elohim did…I thought the Bible was a “personal” account of what Elohim did.
Can you explain the “need” to have an Elohim and a separate YHWH Elohim….and let's not forget Spirit Elohim?
Elohim is “ONE”…that is why the Bible keeps repeating itself, especially when YHWH is part of the sentence, too.
#2- Actually Gen 1:2 was pointing out Spirit God, a specific person, so now you want to say Breath God or Wind God? Someone else argued that Elohim meant a bunch of little gods running around, too. However, I believe that you “know” who is being addressed, no? Elohim is the majestic plural that consists of male and female yet is considered “ONE”. So, YES, the “thing” that is being described in Gen 1:2, Spirit Elohim, IS feminine. Just as YHWH Elohim is masculine. (Isn't He?)
Why don't you play the same “game” with YHWH Elohim and say that He isn't masculine?
I am sorry but I believe Gen 1:26 when Elohim talked to Himself (who was he talking to?) and decided to make Man in His image; male and female.
No one yet has rebutted the truth in these Scriptures, with other Scriptures.
#4- Gen 2:22 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.
The Bible does say that Adam had both essences as woman (Eve) was fashioned from only Adam and nothing else. No assumptions, just facts. God could've “spoke” Eve into existence like He did everything else but did He? No. God proved that Adam had the “right stuff” to produce a female from his rib/side. Therefore we see that from “ONE” Man came Adam AND Eve. From “ONE” Elohim we have YHWH and Spirit.
#5- We have “potential” conflicts with the word Elohim, but since you agree that the word is singular (I agree) I will “try” to explain. Besides the Hebrew culture being Patriarchal YHWH Elohim had a physical presence with humans beginning in the Garden with Adam and Eve. Who did they see? YHWH and He is masculine…..what would they call someone that appears to be masculine but “He”? YHWH walked in the Garden long before the Bible was written some 2,500 years later….so the people KNEW that YHWH was male/masculine. Spirit Elohim is invisible and works “behind the scenes” and is not identified as readily as YHWH Elohim was. Because God is ONE you have one of two pronouns to use to describe Elohim, He or She and the “He” got it because He was what the people saw.
#6 YHWH Elohim (LORD God) physically formed Adam to be in the image of YHWH. (Gen 2:7) Since YHWH is the only physical presence of Elohim why wouldn't Jesus' existence be similar to that of Adam (who existed before Adam)? The difference between Adam and Jesus is one was pro-created and the other created.
Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,07:33) There are many scholars out there and I thought that knowing God from the beginning would be helpful, however by the results of “Truth Check” thread it doesn't seem anyone really cares as Just Askin put it. The first time something is written about in the Bible usually has signigicant meaning and usually sets the foundation for the rest of the Bible, so that is why I was talking about “Spirit Elohim”.
First-time mentioned:
Elohim (God) Gen 1:1
Spirit Elohim Gen 1:2
YHWH Elohim Gen 2:4Notice that Spirit and YHWH are an intrical part of Elohim and are not found by themselves.
YHWH Elohim is mentioned 19 times before YHWH is used alone.
Why look up the gender of Spirit Elohim? Or even YHWH Elohim?
We know that Elohim per Gen 1:27 is “male and female” so that brings about the question who is Male and who is Female?
But before answering the question an astute Bible studier would see that Spirit God/Elohim is not the same as YHWH God/Elohim.
Easily everyone identifies YHWH Elohim as masculine, which would by logic leave Spirit Elohim as feminine to ascertain what was written in Gen 1:27.
However, since people have trouble believing that God is feminine/female I asked in “Truth Check” for each person to do a 3 minute research task to see for themselves what the “truth” about Elohim/God is.
Once YOU discovered that Spirit Elohim is feminine/female no one could lie to you and tell you that Spirit Elohim is a Father (or son).
But, I found that “truth” is not what people want here and refused to look it up, called it irrelevant and nonsense. Someone even commented that Hebrew and Greek weren't the languages that the Bible was written in, it was English!
For those that want to deceive you they would tell you, “Knowing God and which gender each essence is, IS irrelevant and nonsense.
I asked that you researched the word the first time it appeared in the Bible so that there couldn't be any confusion as to what it meant nor could anyone deceive you.
Instead of using my assistance as I tried to help you, you prefer(ed) to remain ignorant and will allow anyone to post lies contrary to what is written in the Bible.
Also, by not adhering to the information and recognizing that Spirit Elohim is a distinct and separate “person” from YHWH Elohim you will tell people that Spirit Elohim is a part of YHWH Elohim which is not true.
In the first 35 verses of the Bible you will find that Elohim consists of two essences, which are male and female and these two essences are also listed as distinct “individuals”.
Just as people pointed out in other posts men (male) and women (female) are not the same person. Neither is God's Male and Female…they are distinct and separate in their identity and function.
Spirit Elohim demonstrates two things: that Spirit is feminine and is a part of ELOHIM (not YHWH); YHWH Elohim shows that YHWH is masculine and is part of Elohim.
People will tell you that Spirit is part of YHWH whereas these first verses prove otherwise. Spirit is part of Elohim and YHWH is part of Elohim so when “God” sends out His Spirit, Spirit gets the job done, not YHWH.
Ironically, YHWH does not have control of His own spirit but Spirit Elohim, does. So when YHWH wants to send His spirit, Spirit goes out and does the job.
1 Cor 2:11 (b) Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
When I began writing this post not a single person from over 100 views dared to look up and post the results of WHAT (part of speech and gender) Spirit Elohim is….from Gen 1:2 and from the Hebrew Lexicon. We've had Greek and English, tho.
Why not?
Yu miss a very important point about the Hebrew writers of scripture. Within the Hebrew culture things are named according to their function and not as identifiers. Male and female aspects of God are simply manners in which the one God reveals himself to us and the way he functions. This is in line with all the various names used for God God our defense, God our healer, God the savior.
This also lines up with the personal versus impersonal way Hebrews think. A western thinker will say God is love. A Hebrew would say God loves me. God is female or male toward his people as they need him.
If you are going to stretch your type of silliness then Jesus must also be a big chicken in that he wants to cover them with his wings.Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,13:26) Hello Mike, Mike, you may have misssed many of my answers so I will try to respond, point for point.
I agree that Elohim is the plural form of “God” and Gen 1:27 expounds on WHY it is a plural form: God is Male and Female WITHIN Elohim….and that is why Elohim is referred to as “ONE”.
Hi David,Yes…..I like point by point. Let's start with your first one above.
Genesis 1:27 (New International Version)
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.The word “man” here can mean one of two things. It can mean “Adam”, the first man, or it can mean “mankind”. It can't sensibly be “Adam”, for he was not made as a he/she, so it must mean “mankind”.
Are we in agreement so far on this point?
You said:
Quote God is Male and Female WITHIN Elohim….and that is why Elohim is referred to as “ONE”.
This sentence makes no sense to me. “Elohim” means “God”, so who is the “God” to whom you refer that is “within God”?mike
Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,13:26) Why isn't Elohim the “Name” of the entity that has two essences? You choose to accept the one essence, “YHWH” Elohim, as a name, which I agree with.
No David,“YHVH Elohim” is a name/title linked together. This person's title is “God”, and His name is YHVH.
Do you understand this?
mike
David………The word Elohim simply means POWER in it simplest form. The First Pictorial word in Hebrew for God was the Head of an OX with a Staff along side it. The OX represented Strength or POWER, the Staff was what The leaned on for Support . Put it together it means the POWER they TRUSTED and Leaned ON. “HEAR O ISREAL THE YHWH (he who exists) OUR (POWER) IS ONE YHWH (who exists) Here is something interesting Why would the Lord say his mane was he exists, I believe he said that because LIFE is the STATE of EXISTENCE. But if you say the LORD GOD , you are simply saying HE EXISTS WITH POWER. God by it self is a statement of Power and it can be The almighty Power of can even be used in lessor Powers , but in a general sense the word imply s POWER. IMO
peace and love……………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2010,21:27) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 06 2010,13:26) Why isn't Elohim the “Name” of the entity that has two essences? You choose to accept the one essence, “YHWH” Elohim, as a name, which I agree with.
No David,“YHVH Elohim” is a name/title linked together. This person's title is “God”, and His name is YHVH.
Do you understand this?
mike
Good Morning Mike,Ok, let's go with what you say is true about YHWH Elohim being a name linked together…..YHWH God, ok?
Then Ruwach Elohim should be treated the same and should be a name….Spirit God….which would be logical and consistent with the treatment of the linguistics.
Martian,
You miss a bigger point:
Elohim = God AND
El = God AND
YHWH is called God.You use only “God” and don't know which of these three “aspects” of “God” you are referring to.
If you would stop using “God” and place the specific YHWH, El or Elohim in “God's” place you would see who is being addressed….and understand the difference. If you would do this it would broaden your horizons and understanding.
But by continuing to use the generic and ambiguous word 'God” much truth and information goes by the wayside.
For example, if you say God Almighty (El Shaddai) you could be referring to Elohim (because He is the composite of YHWH and Spirit) or you could be addressing YHWH. And since Shaddai is an “adjective” it would not change the gender of YHWH (masculine) even if Shaddai is a feminine attribute.
Some people don't understand that an adjective is only describing an attribute of a “person” and want to say that it is changing the “person's” gender, ridiculous isn't it?
Mike,
Point #1 – Yes “Adam” in this verse would more than likely be “Man” (mankind) because as you pointed out in another post v 28 says that Elohim blessed THEM which indicates at least 2 persons….not one.
Point #2 Elohim = YHWH + Spirit
YHWH Elohim is a “part” of Elohim…..His Name is YHWH.
Spirit Elohim is the other “part of Elohim….Her Name is Spirit.Translators have translated Elohim as “God”. Therefore the “true” God is the one with the TWO essences YHWH and Spirit but is ONE God. This is why there is many references to God being ONE.
If YHWH were the “only” God there would be no need for “Elohim” (plural majestic) as there is the Hebrew word, “El” (singular) for “God”.
All of Genesis is showing how Elohim created everything,,,,which means BOTH essences of Elohim did the creating,,,and they said they created everything THRU Their son. After Genesis 1 you start to see the physical aspect of YHWH emerging from Elohim performing His functions (as Gene pointed out but using the other title for God, El.)
Mike,
Even though the “true” God is Elohim that doesn't negate YHWH being that same “true” God, does it? And it doesn't negate Spirit being the “true” God, either.
This is how the Bible can say that God is Spirit and still be true. (john 4:24)
And it shows from Gen 2:7 when YHWH Elohim was actually manipulating the “dust” to form Adam and then physically “breathe” into his nostrils. Then later in Gen 2 :21 YHWH Elohim performed surgery when forming woman from Adam. Then in Gen 3:8 YHWH Elohim was walking in the Garden when Adam and Eve tried to hide from His presence.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,22:51) David………The word Elohim simply means POWER in it simplest form. The First Pictorial word in Hebrew for God was the Head of an OX with a Staff along side it. The OX represented Strength or POWER, the Staff was what The leaned on for Support . Put it together it means the POWER they TRUSTED and Leaned ON. “HEAR O ISREAL THE YHWH (he who exists) OUR (POWER) IS ONE YHWH (who exists) Here is something interesting Why would the Lord say his mane was he exists, I believe he said that because LIFE is the STATE of EXISTENCE. But if you say the LORD GOD , you are simply saying HE EXISTS WITH POWER. God by it self is a statement of Power and it can be The almighty Power of can even be used in lessor Powers , but in a general sense the word imply s POWER. IMO peace and love……………………gene
Hi Gene,IMO Elohim is the Name of the entity that created everything and did the talking in Genesis 1. And this “entity” consists of two essences YHWH Elohim and Spirit Elohim.
I agree with the concept of Elohim being “power” or as scientists would say “energy” because the definition of both is the same. Always existing, cannot add or detract, can change from one form to another without diminishing, cannot describe it completely, etc.
Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד׃
Literally:
Hear Israel YHWH Elohim YHWH one.
Often times when you have the word 'Echad it is in unison with another “aspect” to complete the idea of “unity”.
The first aspect is YHWH Elohim, and united with Spirit Elohim would make the ONE Elohim. YHWH is “ONE — with Spirit” making a “whole”.
Just as Adam and Eve make ONE flesh.
YHWH and Spirit make ONE God.
Have a wonderful day, Gene.
Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,02:39) Mike, All of Genesis is showing how Elohim created everything,,,,which means BOTH essences of Elohim did the creating,,,and they said they created everything THRU Their son.
Hi DBF,Could you show us all the “Bible verse” where 'they' said this?
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,04:45) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,02:39) Mike, All of Genesis is showing how Elohim created everything,,,,which means BOTH essences of Elohim did the creating,,,and they said they created everything THRU Their son.
Hi DBF,Could you show us all the “Bible verse” where 'they' said this?
Hi David,Does this in your next posts contradict your previous Post?
Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,02:58) Hi Gene, IMO Elohim is the Name of the entity that created everything and did the talking in Genesis 1. And this “entity” consists of two essences YHWH Elohim and Spirit Elohim.
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,12:45) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,02:39) Mike, All of Genesis is showing how Elohim created everything,,,,which means BOTH essences of Elohim did the creating,,,and they said they created everything THRU Their son.
Hi DBF,Could you show us all the “Bible verse” where 'they' said this?
Sure Ed,Since you don't seem to know how to do word searches I will place the verses where Elohim (who is the entity with both essences) spoke or did action.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:3 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Gen 1:4 God (Elohim) saw that the light was good; and God (Elohim) separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night.
Gen 1:6 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
Gen 1:7 God (Elohim) made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.
Gen 1:8 God (Elohim) called the expanse heaven.
Gen 1:9 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
Gen 1:10 God (Elohim) called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God (Elohim) saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, [fn] plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so.
Gen 1:14 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;
Gen 1:16 God (Elohim) made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.Gen 1:17 God (Elohim) placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God (Elohim) saw that it was good.
Gen 1:20 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let the waters….
Gen 1:21 God (Elohim) created the great sea monsters…and God (Elohim) saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 God (Elohim) blessed them, saying,
Gen 1:24 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures
Gen 1:25 God (Elohim) made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 Then God (ELOHIM) said, “Let Us make man in Our image…
Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in His own image, in the image of God (Elohim) He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28 God (Elohim) blessed them; and God (Elohim) said to them,
Gen 1:29 Then God (Elohim) said, “Behold,
Gen 1:31 God (Elohim) saw all that He had madeEd,
What do you make of this verse that says YHWH is a man?
Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a “man” of war: the LORD [is] his name. (KJV)
Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,10:41) Ed, What do you make of this verse that says YHWH is a man?
Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a “man” of war: the LORD [is] his name. (KJV)
this post shows your ignorance of the Hebrew language. There is no word “is” in the Hebrew language. The closest you can get is “functions as” or “relates to me as”Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,10:10) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,12:45) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 08 2010,02:39) Mike, All of Genesis is showing how Elohim created everything,,,,which means BOTH essences of Elohim did the creating,,,and they said they created everything THRU Their son.
Hi DBF,Could you show us all the “Bible verse” where 'they' said this?
Sure Ed,Since you don't seem to know how to do word searches I will place the verses where Elohim (who is the entity with both essences) spoke or did action.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:3 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Gen 1:4 God (Elohim) saw that the light was good; and God (Elohim) separated the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night.
Gen 1:6 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
Gen 1:7 God (Elohim) made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.
Gen 1:8 God (Elohim) called the expanse heaven.
Gen 1:9 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.
Gen 1:10 God (Elohim) called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God (Elohim) saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, [fn] plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so.
Gen 1:14 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;
Gen 1:16 God (Elohim) made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.Gen 1:17 God (Elohim) placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God (Elohim) saw that it was good.
Gen 1:20 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let the waters….
Gen 1:21 God (Elohim) created the great sea monsters…and God (Elohim) saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 God (Elohim) blessed them, saying,
Gen 1:24 Then God (Elohim) said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures
Gen 1:25 God (Elohim) made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 Then God (ELOHIM) said, “Let Us make man in Our image…
Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in His own image, in the image of God (Elohim) He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28 God (Elohim) blessed them; and God (Elohim) said to them,
Gen 1:29 Then God (Elohim) said, “Behold,
Gen 1:31 God (Elohim) saw all that He had made
Hi David,So by your Post: you “NOW” agree that it 'doesn't say' …
'and they said they created everything THRU Their son'
'You' are “clearly” reading into the text; called embellishing!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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