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Quote Finally, some people really do have spiritual experiences. We read about many such things in the bible. “I was taken up into Heaven”, “The Word of the LORD came to..”, or “I beheld this and saw that…”. I know. Despite looking though, i havent found anything today that is real magic–certainly nothing that has ever been in tv anyway. It became increasingly clear to me that if I looked into anything hard enough, I would find answers. Admittedly, this magical board is one of the harder things to explain. Science can prove that an ideomotor effect exists. Understanding it is harder though.
Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,05:28) T8: My 3 wishes:
1. IS THIS STATEMENT TRUE?: If its the spirits, they should be able to guide your hands no matter whether you can see or not, but if its people doing it unconsciously, the blindfold will screw things up.
2. Why do you think it doesn't work when the people are blindfolded?
3. Have you ever spent any time studying the ideomotor effect, or questioning how ouiji boards work?
davidi have some experience and will not tell them but what I can tell is that many people are not worth the time to listen to,some talk to much and mean very little ,
but to those that truth his in there mind ,heart and soul ,know that words are powerful media,this is why scriptures says BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH YOU WILL BE JUDGE,
personally I will have nothing to do with anything that deals with the under world so to speak,and magic is one of them
to that it scares me but i do not want to tempt the devil,4% of Americans are sociopaths. Most people don't know that.
One of my hobbies is studying mental illness. I'm just wondering if anyone on here has any mental illnesses they would like to share with others. No judgement. But, it would be helpful to know these things.
Quote personally I will have nothing to do with anything that deals with the under world so to speak,and magic is one of them Terrarica, then you should not read this thread. You should not read this thread. The spirits inside of the oiji board can similarly reach through the computer screen. Why not? If they think you are interested in them, they may seek you out. Stop reading now.
It's not in the board, David – as I'm sure you well know. I once did a similar thing with a hand drawn “board”, with letters, numbers, “YES” and “NO” laid out in a big circle all around the “board” (piece of cardboard that we wrote on).
And we didn't use a triangular piece of plastic. We used a metal washer tied to the end of a string. The washer would then swing toward the letters or numbers – spelling out the “magical” answer to the questions.
When I was young, I was researching some rather odd things–predictions from famous psychics. My mom didn't like this. I told her that if I could prove the demons were real it would prove God was real. I failed at finding the demons. I only found science behind the curtain, and psychology, and self deception, and all sorts of mental issues, and illogical thinking, and an insanely strong desire to believe.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2012,11:01) It's not in the board, David – as I'm sure you well know. I once did a similar thing with a hand drawn “board”, with letters, numbers, “YES” and “NO” laid out in a big circle all around the “board” (piece of cardboard that we wrote on). And we didn't use a triangular piece of plastic. We used a metal washer tied to the end of a string. The washer would then swing toward the letters or numbers – spelling out the “magical” answer to the questions.
TERRARICA, I am starting to think this whole board is demonized.Notice the double meaning.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 21 2012,10:58) Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,05:28) T8: My 3 wishes:
1. IS THIS STATEMENT TRUE?: If its the spirits, they should be able to guide your hands no matter whether you can see or not, but if its people doing it unconsciously, the blindfold will screw things up.
2. Why do you think it doesn't work when the people are blindfolded?
3. Have you ever spent any time studying the ideomotor effect, or questioning how ouiji boards work?
but to those that truth his in there mind ,heart and soul ,know that words are powerful media,this is why scriptures says BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH YOU WILL BE JUDGE,
personally I will have nothing to do with anything that deals with the under world so to speak,and magic is one of them
to that it scares me but i do not want to tempt the devil,Quote david i have some experience and will not tell them but what I can tell is that many people are not worth the time to listen to,some talk to much and mean very little ,
This is the wrong attitude Pierre, for we also were once in the dark.
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Quote It's not in the board, David – as I'm sure you well know. You are right. It's not in the board. All magic happens in the mind.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,10:34) Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,18:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,09:25) david, I agree that there is much deception in these kinds of ministries. Even some preachers look at the attendance list before speaking and are able to say, “there is a person here called david and he has had a death in his extended family”. This is likely to have happened to that person and if not, then he would just think that it was another david.
Like a horoscope, it can relate to nearly anyone if you read it.
Before I was a Christian I read a horoscope once (I didn't believe in such things back then either) and it was totally accurate to me at that time. I then realised that the date on the paper or magazine was quite old and was talking about the week when it was written.
The ministers that put their hands on people's heads and push them over and magically seem to now their name and their ailments…They have earpieces in their ear.
The people in the audience write their name and any problems they may want fixed on a sheet of paper when they first arrive. It's not really even a good magic trick. But for many watching on tv, or even many in the audience, it's a miracle.And ailments sometimes do go away. Sometimes they get a bit better. Sometimes they don't. But when they do get better, trumpets are blown and their is follow up stories. When nothing happens, people forget about that person.
Much like eds numbers patterns–false positives, the hits are made a big deal of while the misses are silently forgotten.Check out this man;I think he is more than just a magician.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Check out the back of his pants. There is something in there.
Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,05:58) 4% of Americans are sociopaths. Most people don't know that. One of my hobbies is studying mental illness. I'm just wondering if anyone on here has any mental illnesses they would like to share with others. No judgement. But, it would be helpful to know these things.
davidthere are many sociopaths in every country of the world,
always have been until they will face out to destruction,the greatest of them all his SATAN ,
as a contractor in renovation I have renovate a few mental institutions ,and i am well aware of what goes on in there ,this is a subject I do not care to discuss ,here or anywhere.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2012,19:06) Too many questions david. Give me 3 of those questions in a post and I will reply.
However, I am not sure that it would be productive for you, nevertheless, I will answer 3 questions for you.
OkQuote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,10:28) T8: My 3 wishes:
1. IS THIS STATEMENT TRUE?: If its the spirits, they should be able to guide your hands no matter whether you can see or not, but if its people doing it unconsciously, the blindfold will screw things up.
2. Why do you think it doesn't work when the people are blindfolded?
3. Have you ever spent any time studying the ideomotor effect, or questioning how ouiji boards work?
Here they are again.Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,06:00) Quote personally I will have nothing to do with anything that deals with the under world so to speak,and magic is one of them Terrarica, then you should not read this thread. You should not read this thread. The spirits inside of the oiji board can similarly reach through the computer screen. Why not? If they think you are interested in them, they may seek you out. Stop reading now.
davidI am not superstiseous person ,but I do not touch certain things ,but I am not afraied of them ,this is the type of discussion that would go well in the skeptic partition ,not in the believers side ,
as a believer that you say you are ,I am not impressed with this comment ,I fix cumputers for pleasure and build my own and the familly ,I do believe I have seen more in this live than you did till now ,but what still amazes me is why you still believe in religion and not go directly to the master and shepherd of all ,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 21 2012,16:25) Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,06:00) Quote personally I will have nothing to do with anything that deals with the under world so to speak,and magic is one of them Terrarica, then you should not read this thread. You should not read this thread. The spirits inside of the oiji board can similarly reach through the computer screen. Why not? If they think you are interested in them, they may seek you out. Stop reading now.
davidI am not superstiseous person ,but I do not touch certain things ,but I am not afraied of them ,this is the type of discussion that would go well in the skeptic partition ,not in the believers side ,
as a believer that you say you are ,I am not impressed with this comment ,I fix cumputers for pleasure and build my own and the familly ,I do believe I have seen more in this live than you did till now ,but what still amazes me is why you still believe in religion and not go directly to the master and shepherd of all ,
You fix computers for pleasure. You understand them. I do not. Show a computer to a person from 100 years ago, and it would be indistinguishable from magic. It would be magic to that person. That person would say: “I know what I saw and what I saw is impossible.”
But, not knowing no something works does not make it supernatural. You know how computers work. So, they aren't magic to you. A person that understands science or studis the mind and human thought perhaps isn't that impressed by the ideomotor effect.A person who came from a tribe untouched by civilization would be amazed at a Computer and if told it was magic, may well believe it if never exposed to any technology. That person, on seeing this magic would then tell his friends about it. Stories would be told about the magic screen that somehow knows so much. They may fear these stories and become superstitious about them and feel they should stay away from what they do not understand.
If you will have nothing to do with anything that deals with the underworld, and you believe ouiji boards rely on the underworld, then let me say: this thread deals with those things.
Quote I do believe I have seen more in this live than you did till now Do you have videos of these things you saw? People really should study memory. The way you believe you saw the things isn't necessarily the way they actually occurred. People who want to be deceived are very easily deceived by those that deceive for entertainment. And then the real magic happens in the mind over time. A video or any solid evidence of anything would be helpful. You could have a million dollars if you can replicate anything magical that isn't explainable by natural phenomena.
Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,14:34) Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2012,10:28) T8: My 3 wishes:
1. IS THIS STATEMENT TRUE?: If its the spirits, they should be able to guide your hands no matter whether you can see or not, but if its people doing it unconsciously, the blindfold will screw things up.
2. Why do you think it doesn't work when the people are blindfolded?
3. Have you ever spent any time studying the ideomotor effect, or questioning how ouiji boards work?
Here they are again.
Perhaps T8 no longer wants to discuss this.Can anyone else take a stab at any of these questions? (The first two in particular).
Quote (david @ Nov. 22 2012,00:16) Quote I do believe I have seen more in this live than you did till now Do you have videos of these things you saw? People really should study memory. The way you believe you saw the things isn't necessarily the way they actually occurred. People who want to be deceived are very easily deceived by those that deceive for entertainment. And then the real magic happens in the mind over time. A video or any solid evidence of anything would be helpful. You could have a million dollars if you can replicate anything magical that isn't explainable by natural phenomena.
davidwen I was about 8 years old my dad send me to pick up things in the cellar and the switch was near the floor down bellow,and it scared me all the times I had to go there but then one day I stopped in the middle of the stairway on my way up,and then look back and told my self there was no one there wen the light was on why should they be some one there now ? so I start to slowly step by step went up and my fear was gone ever sins,
so most of what is happen to us we created ,latter wen I read Descartes works ,he said in one of his books that it is good to question again all the things you come to know for true and truth and so destroy or confirm them at the least once in your live time if you can do it more ,I never stopped doing that ,
as for people living in the jungle and you would show up with a computer to them you would look silly ,
this remind me about a story with the early American Sioux wen Washington want to trade land for money,one of the chiefs took his brief case and put it in the fire ,of cause they pull it out fast but the chief says why are you trading us things with less value ,and he took dirt and put it in the fire ,and said this his real ,
you would be surprise at so called ignorant people ,they will survive better than us city folks modern and
smart
cut the electricity and see how much you haveQuote (Guncher @ Nov. 16 2012,20:55) I would value some help with an issue that I have no answer to
A friend went to a party where she met a physchic ,who proceeded to reveal to her so much personal information that only my friend could have knownMy natural reaction was to blame evil spirits. I can understand that spirits can know the past, but can they see the future. If these spirits can see the future , does this mean that the future has already taken place.
Surely only God knows the future
This area is one which crops up when I am with non believers So I need an answer
Thank you to everyone who has already answered my other questions
It's an interesting question about the idea of seeing the future and if it is possible, does that mean the future has already happened.Determinism, fate, free will.
If anyone can see the future, if god can see the future, then what I am going to do, is already known. Which makes me wonder why I would be encouraged to do good or discouraged to do bad–if my future is already known.
For the “psychic” appearing to know personal matters, I would not blame evil spirits but would blame the education system for not teaching critical thinking, something that everyone should have understanding of.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1798/how-does-a-ouija-board-work
This article didn't point out that psychologically, just like psychics, the mind will remember the hits, and dismiss or forget the misses. So, if it “predicts” 15 things and one of them comes true, and you forget the 14 but focus and repeatedly tell the story how this board “knew” something…you are helping to keep the stories alive. No one goes around telling stories how the board did nothing or how certain predictions didn't come true. They are non-stories. And people like stories and interesting things and telling interesting things. They don't like non-stories or boring things. So, the legend grows
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