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Quote Demons and angels are beings who were originally created by God – as are we all. could you enlighten me on this because I must have mist this in my scriptures study :)I mean “Demons are beings who were originally created “
Quote (david @ Dec. 26 2012,02:09) Does anyone here agree that if you physically beat a child, or abuse them as a child, they are likely to develop a mental illness? And of you do agree, how would this be related to demons?
David,I doubt that physical discipline leads to mental ailments. Abuse may if it prevalent enough to be an environmental factor and if mental disease is a coping mechanism.
I believe such abuse makes it opportune for a demon to subject a child to temptation and once the child sins to give the demon control of the child through the sin.
Illnesses of the spirit are demon possessions though we call them mental illness. Physical ailments are demon oppression. Mankind was created a little lower than the elohim, to which group demons belong. This is how that relationship plays out as regards demons.
Quote (david @ Dec. 26 2012,07:09) Does anyone here agree that if you physically beat a child, or abuse them as a child, they are likely to develop a mental illness? And of you do agree, how would this be related to demons?
David.If you are born in the jungle and grew up with all the animals,you can not act like a lord.
If You gew up in a house full of abuse you will be alike.
The house would be inhabited by evil spirits.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2012,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,02:18)
Hi Kerwin.Allow me to clarify regarding devils and evil spirits.
They are not the same.Devils are the fallen angels,and evil spirits are those creatures that died during the flood.God calls them the bastards in the book of enoch.
When they died;their souls were not accepted in heaven,because they are mixed creatures,so they are roaming on the earth,causing trouble.
The women are called SIRENS,and there are children as well.It is those evil spirits that caused mankind trouble,not the fallen angels.
The fallen angels consider them selves superior to those evil spirits.The Gods of the nations are the fallen angels masquerading as gods. Every nations believes and gods are those fallen angels;they love to be woshipped.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have heard that hypothesis but I know of no support for it in Scripture.
Kerwin.you dont consider the book of enoch, to be Gods word to enoch?
There is so much knowledge in it.
1. Do you believe that there was a great flood?
2. Do you believe that the angels went down and defiled themselves with the women?
3. Do you believe that their children were giants called the nephilims?4. Do you believe that those angels also defiled themselves with the animals?
5. Do you believe that those angels have been crossbreeding?6.Do you believe they all died in the flood?
7. If you do; then what happened to their souls.
They are hybrids,not Gods creation.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,05:59) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2012,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,02:18)
Hi Kerwin.Allow me to clarify regarding devils and evil spirits.
They are not the same.Devils are the fallen angels,and evil spirits are those creatures that died during the flood.God calls them the bastards in the book of enoch.
When they died;their souls were not accepted in heaven,because they are mixed creatures,so they are roaming on the earth,causing trouble.
The women are called SIRENS,and there are children as well.It is those evil spirits that caused mankind trouble,not the fallen angels.
The fallen angels consider them selves superior to those evil spirits.The Gods of the nations are the fallen angels masquerading as gods. Every nations believes and gods are those fallen angels;they love to be woshipped.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have heard that hypothesis but I know of no support for it in Scripture.
Kerwin.you dont consider the book of enoch, to be Gods word to enoch?
There is so much knowledge in it.
1. Do you believe that there was a great flood?
2. Do you believe that the angels went down and defiled themselves with the women?
3. Do you believe that their children were giants called the nephilims?4. Do you believe that those angels also defiled themselves with the animals?
5. Do you believe that those angels have been crossbreeding?6.Do you believe they all died in the flood?
7. If you do; then what happened to their souls.
They are hybrids,not Gods creation.wakeup.
Wakeup,There are at least three books of Enoch and though they seem to support one another they contradict Scripture in some ways.
* Jesus teaches us of a Sheol that has two parts and the so called book of Enoch teaches a Sheol of four parts.
* Jesus teaches us that angels do not marry, nor are they given in marriage, these so called words of Enoch state they do.Certain parts are from God but others are the words of men that corrupted the manuscripts for their own purposes.
Scripture teaches us that the giants lived on the earth both before and after the flood and that they were men of renown. Given that the sons of Anak are said to be both come from the giants and be a descendant of Canaan it seems that at least one of Noah's sons was a giant or a son of God that was married to a daughter of man.
Genesis 6:4
King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33
King James Version (KJV)33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2012,13:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,05:59) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2012,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,02:18)
Hi Kerwin.Allow me to clarify regarding devils and evil spirits.
They are not the same.Devils are the fallen angels,and evil spirits are those creatures that died during the flood.God calls them the bastards in the book of enoch.
When they died;their souls were not accepted in heaven,because they are mixed creatures,so they are roaming on the earth,causing trouble.
The women are called SIRENS,and there are children as well.It is those evil spirits that caused mankind trouble,not the fallen angels.
The fallen angels consider them selves superior to those evil spirits.The Gods of the nations are the fallen angels masquerading as gods. Every nations believes and gods are those fallen angels;they love to be woshipped.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have heard that hypothesis but I know of no support for it in Scripture.
Kerwin.you dont consider the book of enoch, to be Gods word to enoch?
There is so much knowledge in it.
1. Do you believe that there was a great flood?
2. Do you believe that the angels went down and defiled themselves with the women?
3. Do you believe that their children were giants called the nephilims?4. Do you believe that those angels also defiled themselves with the animals?
5. Do you believe that those angels have been crossbreeding?6.Do you believe they all died in the flood?
7. If you do; then what happened to their souls.
They are hybrids,not Gods creation.wakeup.
Wakeup,There are at least three books of Enoch and though they seem to support one another they contradict Scripture in some ways.
* Jesus teaches us of a Sheol that has two parts and the so called book of Enoch teaches a Sheol of four parts.
* Jesus teaches us that angels do not marry, nor are they given in marriage, these so called words of Enoch state they do.Certain parts are from God but others are the words of men that corrupted the manuscripts for their own purposes.
Scripture teaches us that the giants lived on the earth both before and after the flood and that they were men of renown. Given that the sons of Anak are said to be both come from the giants and be a descendant of Canaan it seems that at least one of Noah's sons was a giant or a son of God that was married to a daughter of man.
Genesis 6:4
King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33
King James Version (KJV)33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Kerwin.So what happened to their souls when they died?
Are they accepted in heaven?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,08:49) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2012,13:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,05:59) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2012,05:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,02:18)
Hi Kerwin.Allow me to clarify regarding devils and evil spirits.
They are not the same.Devils are the fallen angels,and evil spirits are those creatures that died during the flood.God calls them the bastards in the book of enoch.
When they died;their souls were not accepted in heaven,because they are mixed creatures,so they are roaming on the earth,causing trouble.
The women are called SIRENS,and there are children as well.It is those evil spirits that caused mankind trouble,not the fallen angels.
The fallen angels consider them selves superior to those evil spirits.The Gods of the nations are the fallen angels masquerading as gods. Every nations believes and gods are those fallen angels;they love to be woshipped.
wakeup.
Wakeup,I have heard that hypothesis but I know of no support for it in Scripture.
Kerwin.you dont consider the book of enoch, to be Gods word to enoch?
There is so much knowledge in it.
1. Do you believe that there was a great flood?
2. Do you believe that the angels went down and defiled themselves with the women?
3. Do you believe that their children were giants called the nephilims?4. Do you believe that those angels also defiled themselves with the animals?
5. Do you believe that those angels have been crossbreeding?6.Do you believe they all died in the flood?
7. If you do; then what happened to their souls.
They are hybrids,not Gods creation.wakeup.
Wakeup,There are at least three books of Enoch and though they seem to support one another they contradict Scripture in some ways.
* Jesus teaches us of a Sheol that has two parts and the so called book of Enoch teaches a Sheol of four parts.
* Jesus teaches us that angels do not marry, nor are they given in marriage, these so called words of Enoch state they do.Certain parts are from God but others are the words of men that corrupted the manuscripts for their own purposes.
Scripture teaches us that the giants lived on the earth both before and after the flood and that they were men of renown. Given that the sons of Anak are said to be both come from the giants and be a descendant of Canaan it seems that at least one of Noah's sons was a giant or a son of God that was married to a daughter of man.
Genesis 6:4
King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33
King James Version (KJV)33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Kerwin.So what happened to their souls when they died?
Are they accepted in heaven?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Scripture does not mention these males of renown after they perish as far as I know. I have no reason to believe they were treated in any other way than is common to humankind.
Kerwin.
The book of enoch is important.
It is the only book witnessing the old world and the flood.
Those hybrid souls are not accepted by God.
They are evil spirits roaming around the earth.
Fallen angels are not evil spirits.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,15:17) Mike Quote Demons and angels are beings who were originally created by God – as are we all. could you enlighten me on this because I must have mist this in my scriptures study :)I mean “Demons are beings who were originally created “
Do you suppose demons just created themselves, Pierre?God made the heavens, the earth, and EVERYTHING in them – or haven't you heard?
Demons are most definitely part of the “EVERYTHING in them”, right?
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2012,12:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,23:56) Demons and angels are beings who were originally created by God – as are we all. It seems we agree that they ARE called gods in scripture, proving that Jehovah is not LITERALLY the only “god” in existence.
After all, how could Jehovah possibly be the God of gods if there existed no other gods for Him to be the God of?
Mike,Sounds correct!
Kerwin,As an offset to the MANY times you and I butt heads, it is nice to agree with you once in a while.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,17:59) They are hybrids,not Gods creation.
All that exists was created by God. Or can we start guessing for ourselves which living beings are a part of God's creation, and which ones are not?David,
To your questions: Who knows?
Not you. And certainly not me or anyone else on this forum. How can we even guess about such things?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2012,11:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2012,17:59) They are hybrids,not Gods creation.
All that exists was created by God. Or can we start guessing for ourselves which living beings are a part of God's creation, and which ones are not?
Mike B.The angels and humans are created by God,but the combination of the two is not the will of God.
They are hybrids;which is half human, and half angel.
because they are part angel;their souls are not accepted in heaven.I think man has started to do the same today with the help of the fallen angels.
We are putting pig genes into tomatos or potatoes.
And also creating hybrid animals.wakeup.
I do understand you point, Wakeup. But what if a child is born with severe Downs Syndrome, or some other affliction? Is that child no longer a creation of God, like the rest of us?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2012,11:08) I do understand you point, Wakeup. But what if a child is born with severe Downs Syndrome, or some other affliction? Is that child no longer a creation of God, like the rest of us?
Mike B.John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Can you understand this scripture?
wakeup.
Yep. Now answer my question. Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2012,03:54) Yep. Now answer my question. Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God? YES or NO?
Mike B.A child that is born with deforms,is not created the way it should be,but it is because of the world,and God just let it happen. And fix it later when he takes over.
Why? Because a perfect world needs no fixing.
It is through those imperfections that God will be glorified.
He will show us that he can create a perfect world.SO THAT THE WORKS OF GOD BE MADE MANIFEST IN HIM.
THESE PEOPLE HAS PART IN GODS PLAN,BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM THE WORLD IS PERFECT ALREADY.
IF THERE IS NO SIN IN THE WORLD THAN WHAT IS THERE TO FIX,AND IF THERE IS NOTHING TO FIX, THEN WE WILL NEVER KNOW GOD, OR EVER KNOW THAT HE EVEN EXIST.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2012,22:54) Yep. Now answer my question. Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God? YES or NO?
MikeI will answer your question,but first you have to answer mine ok,
IF ; I (men) decided to have a kid what his a gift of God to all men ,to procreate ; but all my live I have been a drug abuser and I am under severe addiction medication ,and I have met that women ,that as a drinking problem ,but I like her ,and so we now use our god given power of procreating ;
but what happen to the child that an alcoholic women and a drug abuser have now bring forth
here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,06:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2012,22:54) Yep. Now answer my question. Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God? YES or NO?
MikeI will answer your question,but first you have to answer mine ok,
IF ; I (men) decided to have a kid what his a gift of God to all men ,to procreate ; but all my live I have been a drug abuser and I am under severe addiction medication ,and I have met that women ,that as a drinking problem ,but I like her ,and so we now use our god given power of procreating ;
but what happen to the child that an alcoholic women and a drug abuser have now bring forth
here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will,
Hi Pierre,I present this to you to help you communicate better with others.
Usually you post a bunch of verses with little or no
explanation as to what message you wish to convey,
when pulling one verse out of context may easily work.In this case you don't give any context to the verse you quote,
nor enough information as to what point you are trying to make.My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is
that all children are born according to God's will? …is that it?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2012,05:26) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2012,06:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2012,22:54) Yep. Now answer my question. Is the child born with SEVERE birth defects a creation of God? YES or NO?
MikeI will answer your question,but first you have to answer mine ok,
IF ; I (men) decided to have a kid what his a gift of God to all men ,to procreate ; but all my live I have been a drug abuser and I am under severe addiction medication ,and I have met that women ,that as a drinking problem ,but I like her ,and so we now use our god given power of procreating ;
but what happen to the child that an alcoholic women and a drug abuser have now bring forth
here is my question ; his God responsible for that couple that brought the child forth
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will,
Hi Pierre,I present this to you to help you communicate better with others.
Usually you post a bunch of verses with little or no
explanation as to what message you wish to convey,
when pulling one verse out of context may easily work.In this case you don't give any context to the verse you quote,
nor enough information as to what point you are trying to make.My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is
that all children are born according to God's will? …is that it?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote My guess is, after reading the verse in context, your point is
that all children are born according to God's will? …is that it?Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will,
if you understand my lay out and then read the scripture I quoted you should understand that all children are not born through the will of God but are born through the mechanism established by God just as the eating and breathing ,and marriage ,and work,
my scripture says that children are born BY HUMAN WILL AND BY HUSBAND WILL,
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS
THIS means that it is not God that make you have 5 or 10 or one child ,it is you, me, us human that decided this ,did God tell us how each have to work
NO, does God told Us how much money you want or education,NO ect this is why men his responsible for what he does and does not do ,
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