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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2012,03:02) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2012,14:50) there is no glory to God to learn the ways of the devil
I agree with that statement in premise, Pierre. But doesn't one have a better chance of defeating his enemy if he truly gets to know his enemy, and how he operates?
Mikeyou have now read the scriptures close to four times ,did you not learn anything
you remember how I ask you to pay attention next time you read the scriptures to look at those God loves and like what they do and also the wicket ones kings ,priest ect
Job tells us so many things about ourself that if we pay attention you do not need anything but the word of God ,Paul says that it is not the physical world that we fight but the spiritual one of the world ,but we do not fight him for our glory but for our own seek ,and so would be able to help others in the process ,and only the scriptures can prepare us for this ,we do not have to learn ;HOW TO ;LIE,CHEAT ,STEAL,DECEID,AND THE ALIKE,;to know them we see all those things practice by many on TV, Radio,streets,at work,ect…even in this forum by some1Pe 1:8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,
1Pe 1:9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.1Pe 1:13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.
1Pe 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;while doing all this God will keep an eye on your enemies,
bless you my friend
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 19 2012,05:06) Hi: Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and SHEWETH him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
This interesting, and I don't have the answer, and so, I am praying for understanding.
Love in Christ,
Marty
942767.Those spirit communicate with each other.
A spirit can not follow a God fearing person,but it can follow a non God fearing person.And that spirits can know all about that person,and give information to other spirits when asked.
Those spirits are not the fallen angels.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2012,06:49) Quote (Guncher @ Nov. 16 2012,03:55) I can understand that spirits can know the past, but can they see the future?
Acts 16
16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
Although psychics today make money by convincing people that they can foretell the future (rather than for telling the future), they cannot.This girl, or the demon in her, if it knew the future, it (and she) would have known it was to be cast out of her. Yet they didn't seem to see it coming. Similarly today, for some reason, the “psychics” aren't making billions on gambling and picking lottery numbers, but rather, make money by convincing people that they have powers.
You have a scare on your knee. Someone died. I see the letter t.
DOESN'T RING A BELL.
Oh, I mean, the letter p.
YES, PAUL.
oh, Paul is his name.
MY DOG WAS NAMED PAUL.
Oh, Paul was your dogs name. Yes, you are right, I see that now. And he died recently.
NO, SHE DIED 4 YEARS AGO.
Yes, I thought so. And you burried her in the back yard?
YES WE DID. YOU ARE AMAZING! YOU KNEW THAT MY DOG PAUL DIED 4 YEARS AGO!!
Yes, and, she WASNT a Dalmatian was she?
NO.
No, I didn't think so, no, she seems more like a smaller or median sized dog, yes?
YES
a smaller dog yes?
YES
and she liked to bark?
YES, aAMAZING!
That will be 100$.
Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,08:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,12:58) Yes belief is a powerful thing. I guess knowing that, belief in the truth must be all the more powerful because you are aligned with reality.
The problem is:All people, every person on the planet, including those that succumb to fraudulent psychics for example, believe that they are “aligned with reality.”
DavidThis is not true,many live a wishful life,dreaming that they may win on the lottery ,or ,,,,,,,,,,and so keep going week by week or day by day,
Many,that read an horoscope wish to read something good for them in it,
Those people are unstable ,they do not know we're they are going ,or doing,
The truth of God his the powerfull instrument that lead us to reality and stability in our mind and hearts,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2012,17:50) Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,08:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,12:58) Yes belief is a powerful thing. I guess knowing that, belief in the truth must be all the more powerful because you are aligned with reality.
The problem is:All people, every person on the planet, including those that succumb to fraudulent psychics for example, believe that they are “aligned with reality.”
DavidThis is not true,many live a wishful life,dreaming that they may win on the lottery ,or ,,,,,,,,,,and so keep going week by week or day by day,
Many,that read an horoscope wish to read something good for them in it,
Those people are unstable ,they do not know we're they are going ,or doing,
The truth of God his the powerfull instrument that lead us to reality and stability in our mind and hearts,
Pierre, the people that you say live a wishful life believe that their life is aligned with reality and that eh have a reasonable chanc of winning.I'm not saying that everyone is aligned with reality. I'm saying everyone thinks they are. Very few people think that their actions are bizarre or unreasonable. Everything anyone does, they feel they were justified–even those in sing sing prison…if you ask them about their crimes, they all feel they had to do with they did given their circumstances. Everyone can justify their actions and beliefs and feel they are aligned with reality.
Houdini spent a great deal of his life exposing fraudulent psychics and those who claimed they could talk to the dead. Magicians, as a group tend to hate those that take advantage of others this way. Recently, the magician criss angel came close to beating up a guy because he claimed to be able to talk to the dead. Magicians as a whole, know the tricks, because they use the same tricks and psychology and get very very angry and frustrated when people use exploitive magic to take people's money. They are ripping people off at their weakest moment. James randi is a magician. The James randi foundation will pay a million dollars to anyone that can do anything supernatural under test conditions. The money is very safe.
David_copper.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,09:25) david, I agree that there is much deception in these kinds of ministries. Even some preachers look at the attendance list before speaking and are able to say, “there is a person here called david and he has had a death in his extended family”. This is likely to have happened to that person and if not, then he would just think that it was another david.
Like a horoscope, it can relate to nearly anyone if you read it.
Before I was a Christian I read a horoscope once (I didn't believe in such things back then either) and it was totally accurate to me at that time. I then realised that the date on the paper or magazine was quite old and was talking about the week when it was written.
The ministers that put their hands on people's heads and push them over and magically seem to now their name and their ailments…They have earpieces in their ear.
The people in the audience write their name and any problems they may want fixed on a sheet of paper when they first arrive. It's not really even a good magic trick. But for many watching on tv, or even many in the audience, it's a miracle.And ailments sometimes do go away. Sometimes they get a bit better. Sometimes they don't. But when they do get better, trumpets are blown and their is follow up stories. When nothing happens, people forget about that person.
Much like eds numbers patterns–false positives, the hits are made a big deal of while the misses are silently forgotten.sense in light of the demons asking Jesus if he came to torture them before their appointed time, right?
Mike
This statement above is interesting in the context of demons knowing the future
They knew of their future punishmentQuote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,17:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2012,06:49) Quote (Guncher @ Nov. 16 2012,03:55) I can understand that spirits can know the past, but can they see the future?
Acts 16
16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
Although psychics today make money by convincing people that they can foretell the future (rather than for telling the future), they cannot.This girl, or the demon in her, if it knew the future, it (and she) would have known it was to be cast out of her. Yet they didn't seem to see it coming. Similarly today, for some reason, the “psychics” aren't making billions on gambling and picking lottery numbers, but rather, make money by convincing people that they have powers.
You have a scare on your knee. Someone died. I see the letter t.
DOESN'T RING A BELL.
Oh, I mean, the letter p.
YES, PAUL.
oh, Paul is his name.
MY DOG WAS NAMED PAUL.
Oh, Paul was your dogs name. Yes, you are right, I see that now. And he died recently.
NO, SHE DIED 4 YEARS AGO.
Yes, I thought so. And you burried her in the back yard?
YES WE DID. YOU ARE AMAZING! YOU KNEW THAT MY DOG PAUL DIED 4 YEARS AGO!!
Yes, and, she WASNT a Dalmatian was she?
NO.
No, I didn't think so, no, she seems more like a smaller or median sized dog, yes?
YES
a smaller dog yes?
YES
and she liked to bark?
YES, aAMAZING!
That will be 100$.
David.We know that they are not subject to our time zone.
For they are of a higher dimension.Satan could see the future,but only when God allows.
These evil spirits can travel so fast,faster than light,it is possible that they can see the future if God permits.They can also predict something bad will happen, and then make it happen.
But they can only effect the non true believers.
wakeup.
Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,18:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,09:25) david, I agree that there is much deception in these kinds of ministries. Even some preachers look at the attendance list before speaking and are able to say, “there is a person here called david and he has had a death in his extended family”. This is likely to have happened to that person and if not, then he would just think that it was another david.
Like a horoscope, it can relate to nearly anyone if you read it.
Before I was a Christian I read a horoscope once (I didn't believe in such things back then either) and it was totally accurate to me at that time. I then realised that the date on the paper or magazine was quite old and was talking about the week when it was written.
The ministers that put their hands on people's heads and push them over and magically seem to now their name and their ailments…They have earpieces in their ear.
The people in the audience write their name and any problems they may want fixed on a sheet of paper when they first arrive. It's not really even a good magic trick. But for many watching on tv, or even many in the audience, it's a miracle.And ailments sometimes do go away. Sometimes they get a bit better. Sometimes they don't. But when they do get better, trumpets are blown and their is follow up stories. When nothing happens, people forget about that person.
Much like eds numbers patterns–false positives, the hits are made a big deal of while the misses are silently forgotten.Check out this man;I think he is more than just a magician.
wakeup.
Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,12:54) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2012,17:50) Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,08:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,12:58) Yes belief is a powerful thing. I guess knowing that, belief in the truth must be all the more powerful because you are aligned with reality.
The problem is:All people, every person on the planet, including those that succumb to fraudulent psychics for example, believe that they are “aligned with reality.”
DavidThis is not true,many live a wishful life,dreaming that they may win on the lottery ,or ,,,,,,,,,,and so keep going week by week or day by day,
Many,that read an horoscope wish to read something good for them in it,
Those people are unstable ,they do not know we're they are going ,or doing,
The truth of God his the powerfull instrument that lead us to reality and stability in our mind and hearts,
Pierre, the people that you say live a wishful life believe that their life is aligned with reality and that eh have a reasonable chanc of winning.I'm not saying that everyone is aligned with reality. I'm saying everyone thinks they are. Very few people think that their actions are bizarre or unreasonable. Everything anyone does, they feel they were justified–even those in sing sing prison…if you ask them about their crimes, they all feel they had to do with they did given their circumstances. Everyone can justify their actions and beliefs and feel they are aligned with reality.
so you mean their own reality rightQuote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,00:48) This girl, or the demon in her, if it knew the future, it (and she) would have known it was to be cast out of her. Yet they didn't seem to see it coming.
That was a big joke when “The Psychic Network” went bankrupt………….. Why didn't they see that coming?
But this is scripture, David. If Luke said the girl accurately predicted the future because of the demon in her, then I believe him.
Also, her owners wouldn't have gotten rich off her if she wasn't accurate, and they wouldn't have been so mad at losing that easy money if this girl was just a scammer like the scenario you described. (Because with or without the demon, the girl would have still known how to scam those who want to believe, and therefore still make money for her owners.)
Anyway, I enjoyed your accurate and humorous example of how these people practice their trade.
Quote (Guncher @ Nov. 19 2012,03:38) sense in light of the demons asking Jesus if he came to torture them before their appointed time, right?
Mike
This statement above is interesting in the context of demons knowing the future
They knew of their future punishment
When is the first statement in scripture about Satan and his demons being punished in the lake of fire?I know Jesus spoke of it, but you're right that these demons didn't seemed surprised to find out their fate. They must have known even before Jesus and John (Revelation) let us know.
Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,01:01) Houdini spent a great deal of his life exposing fraudulent psychics and those who claimed they could talk to the dead. Magicians, as a group tend to hate those that take advantage of others this way. Recently, the magician criss angel came close to beating up a guy because he claimed to be able to talk to the dead. Magicians as a whole, know the tricks, because they use the same tricks and psychology and get very very angry and frustrated when people use exploitive magic to take people's money. They are ripping people off at their weakest moment. James randi is a magician. The James randi foundation will pay a million dollars to anyone that can do anything supernatural under test conditions. The money is very safe. David_copper.
David sure knows a lot about magicians. And then he signed his name “David_copper”.Who else here thinks David is really David Copperfield?
Quote They can also predict something bad will happen, and then make it happen –WAKEUP
WAKEUP, I predict you will read this sentence.
(Is it really a prediction if I say your face is about to hurt and then I punch you?)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2012,11:36) Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,01:01) Houdini spent a great deal of his life exposing fraudulent psychics and those who claimed they could talk to the dead. Magicians, as a group tend to hate those that take advantage of others this way. Recently, the magician criss angel came close to beating up a guy because he claimed to be able to talk to the dead. Magicians as a whole, know the tricks, because they use the same tricks and psychology and get very very angry and frustrated when people use exploitive magic to take people's money. They are ripping people off at their weakest moment. James randi is a magician. The James randi foundation will pay a million dollars to anyone that can do anything supernatural under test conditions. The money is very safe. David_copper.
David sure knows a lot about magicians. And then he signed his name “David_copper”.Who else here thinks David is really David Copperfield?
Although I don't use that email any more, and haven't for many years, I originally signed up on here with the [email protected] email address.
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