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- June 20, 2010 at 7:03 pm#198769KangarooJackParticipant
TO ALL:
In Psalm 110:1 Jehovah told David that His Lord (adon) would sit at His right hand. In verse 5 David replied to Jehovah saying, “My Lord (Adonay) is at your right hand.”
The word “adon” in verse 1 means “lord” or “owner” and may refer to men as well as to God. But the word “adonay” used in verse 5 is from “adon” and is a special form of “adon.” This special form of “adon” ALWAYS refers to God.
TWOT# 27: “When adon appears in the special plural form, with a first common pronominal suffix, (adonay), it ALWAYS refers to God,” page 13, all emphasis mine
Strong's# 136: Adonay emphat form of 113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God ONLY)-(my) Lord.
David acknowledged that the One who was to sit at Jehovah's right hand was his GOD.
The Father Himself concurs with king David's conclusion:
Quote …”when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
Jesus is at the right hand (vs. 3) and is called “God” by the Father Himself (vs. 8). Christ's human father and His heavenly father agree that He is God at Jehovah's hand.
the Roo
June 20, 2010 at 11:40 pm#198854davidParticipantQuote Jesus is at the right hand (vs. 3) and is called “God” by the Father Himself (vs. 8) I'd just like to point out that not all Bibles translate it that way:
Example:
“About the Son, however, God said: “Your kingdom, O God,will last forever! You will rule over your people with justice.”-TODAY'S ENGLISH VERSION.A footnote says: “…..or God is your kingdom.”
(See An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.)
Context:
Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse 8 is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him. (See the Interpreters Bible's Notes, which explains that “vs. 9 would seem to suggest another reading.”)It's a Quote:
Hebrews 1:8,9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God.Yes, it is usually translated in a very trinitarian way, but most translators are trinitarian.
Yes, people say it seems strange, but it is no more strange than Jehovah being called a rock of habitation, a rock and fortress, our dwelling place, a refuge and a fortress, your dwelling-place.God is his throne, or seat of authority. His kingdom is founded upon God.
June 21, 2010 at 2:48 am#198868NickHassanParticipantTransliteration:
'Adonay {ad-o-noy'}
Word Origin:
am emphatic form of 113
TWOT:
27b
Part of Speech:Hi
136
ADONAY
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
Lord 431, lord 2, God 1Total: 434
June 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm#199158KangarooJackParticipantQuote (david @ June 21 2010,10:40) Quote Jesus is at the right hand (vs. 3) and is called “God” by the Father Himself (vs. 8) I'd just like to point out that not all Bibles translate it that way:
Example:
“About the Son, however, God said: “Your kingdom, O God,will last forever! You will rule over your people with justice.”-TODAY'S ENGLISH VERSION.A footnote says: “…..or God is your kingdom.”
(See An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.)
Context:
Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse 8 is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him. (See the Interpreters Bible's Notes, which explains that “vs. 9 would seem to suggest another reading.”)It's a Quote:
Hebrews 1:8,9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God.Yes, it is usually translated in a very trinitarian way, but most translators are trinitarian.
Yes, people say it seems strange, but it is no more strange than Jehovah being called a rock of habitation, a rock and fortress, our dwelling place, a refuge and a fortress, your dwelling-place.God is his throne, or seat of authority. His kingdom is founded upon God.
David,You did not answer the point that David replied to Jehovah saying, “My Adonay is at yor right hand.” The form “adonay ALWAYS refers to god.
TWOT# 27: “When adon appears in the special plural form, with a first common pronominal suffix, (adonay), it ALWAYS refers to God,” page 13, all emphasis mine
Strong's# 136: Adonay emphat form of 113; the Lord (used as a proper name of God ONLY)-(my) Lord.
David acknowledged that the One who was to sit at Jehovah's right hand was his GOD.
And your translation of Hebrews 1:8 is totally out of context. The whole context is about the exaltation of the Son. Why would the apostle exalt Him in the first 7 verses, then knock Him down a notch in verse 8, and then exalt Him again in verse 9?
Knagaroo Jack
June 22, 2010 at 7:23 pm#199205NickHassanParticipantHi KJ,
Not in my concordance.June 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm#199237KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2010,06:23) Hi KJ,
Not in my concordance.
Then you need to get a Strong's Concordance Nick. Anyway, the TWOT agrees and if you take issue all you need to do is give an example from scripture inwhich Adonay refers to someome other than God.That's not too hard for you Nick.
KJ
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