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Here you can give your view on how you believe that our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name is to be properly pronounced.
I made this new post to separate this topic from the “pre-existence” topic at: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=2530
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 19 2012,04:59) Here you can give your view on how you believe that our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name is to be properly pronounced. I made this new post to separate this topic from the “pre-existence” topic at: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=2530
Following is a quote from Ed J:Quote Hi Frank, Are you now suggesting his name is Ya-oo-a?
B'shem
YÄ-hä-vāEd J,
I do not know how the prophets and saints of old EXACTLY pronounced our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name and have never suggested that I do. There are many however that pronounce His Name in this manner.
Ed J,
I would like you to note that the following verse that our Heavenly Father and Creator spoke was in reference to His restoring His Name to the people and that it conveys that He Himself will be the One Who will be restoring it:
For THEN will I (Yahweh) RESTORE to the people a PURE LANGUAGE, that they may all call upon the NAME Yahweh, to serve Him with one consent (Zephanyah 3:9).
WHEN do you believe the “THEN” in this verse is referring to in reference to our Heavenly Father and Creator restoring His Name? Do you believe that it is in this time period that He will restore His Name to the people or in a future time period?
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 19 2012,04:46) Ed J, Say the sound oo (or 'uu') and the sound eh (or ay) together and what you will hear is a w sound being more prominent in between these two sounds.
Hi Frank,How come you don't say (יה-שו-ע) YA-shu-Wa? …You do see the “vav”
as an “oo” sound (in this name) followed by an “a” sound, correct?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2012,16:54) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 19 2012,04:46) Ed J, Say the sound oo (or 'uu') and the sound eh (or ay) together and what you will hear is a w sound being more prominent in between these two sounds.
Hi Frank,How come you don't say (יה-שו-ע) YA-shu-Wa? …You do see the “vav”
as an “oo” sound (in this name) followed by an “a” sound, correct?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I DO SAY (יה-שו-ע) YA-shu-Wa. The W sound comes out in between the 'u' and the 'a' sounds in pronouncing them. Why is it that you are a stickler for an EXACT pronunciation when you know for a fact that you do not ACTUALLY know how his name was EXACTLY pronounced by the Saints and Prophets of old?
Hi Frank,
Why do you put a 'W' in one name but leave it out
in another? Is this not inconstancy on your part?B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,07:14) Hi Frank, Why do you put a 'W' in one name but leave it out
in another? Is this not inconstancy on your part?B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I MYSELF do not put a 'W' in one name and leave it out in another. This has already been done previously by someone else. In the English transliteration/transcription 'YHWH' or 'Yahweh' one can LITERALLY see the letter 'w'. In the English transliteration/transcription 'Yahshua' one does not LITERALLY see the letter 'w', but can hear it as I noted in my previous post. This would also be true with the English transliteration/transcription 'Joshua'.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,09:32) Hi Frank, Are you not the one who is posting
one name with and the other without a 'W'?B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,What the hell are you getting at? If you have a problem with me not adding a letter 'w' to 'Yahshua, this is your problem not mine.
Hi Frank,
THE PROBLEM is with you putting a 'W' in God's name (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) YHVH!
I'm just exposing your inconsistency, as the Hebrew has NO “w” sound!B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,10:18) Hi Frank, THE PROBLEM is with you putting a 'W' in God's name (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) YHVH!
I'm just exposing your inconsistency, as the Hebrew has NO “w” sound!B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I do not have a problem putting a letter 'w' in 'YHWH' and 'Yahweh'. It is you that has a problem with this, not I. I just showed you that the Hebrew does have a “w” (double u, uu, vv, oo) sound.
Hi Frank, YOU HAVE PROVED NOTHING!
The Hebrew does NOT have a “W” sound (as you assert)!
I CHALLENGE YOU to post some Hebrew words WITH a “W” sound.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. (1Thess.5:21-22)
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.(Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using😉
after the commandments (traditions) and doctrines of men? (Col 2:21-22)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAuthor Horowitz shows a number of words in the English in which the equivalent (w) is often silent, such as “answer, sword, law, two, write, etc.” He emphasizes that anciently; it was not a “vee” sound.
“…the sound of w a long time ago wasn’t “vav” at all but “w” and “w” is weak…The Yemenite Jews of Arabia who retain an ancient, correct, and pure pronunciation of Hebrew still pronounce the w as “w” –as does Arabic, the close sister language of Hebrew,” pp. 29-30.
The Berlitz Hebrew Self-Teacher on page 73 reveals: “The Hebrew alphabet forms its vowels by a system of ‘dots’ under the consonants, as we have seen in the introduction. But in current Hebrew writing ‘dots’ are seldom used. Therefore…we shall drop the ‘dots’ from this lesson on. There are, however, four letters which can be used as vowels. h and a may have the vowel sound of ah or eh, w that of oo or oh, and y of ee or eh.”
Mark and Rogers’ A Beginners Handbook To Biblical Hebrew on page 7 reads: “Originally Hebrew had no written vowels; the following consonants, however, were often used to indicate long vowels: a, h, w, y.”
A Simple Approach to Old Testament Hebrew by EKS Pub. Co. states on page 9: “…The Hebrew letter waw w can function as a consonant or a vowel. When the waw is a consonant it sounds like w, as in water, and usually has a vowel sign under it…When the waw functions as a vowel it has the sound of o as in row. With a dot above it, the waw sounds like o as in row: w. With a dot in its center, the waw sounds like oo as in pool. w Note: This dot in the center of waw is not a daghesh. Usually the waw is not both a vowel and a consonant at the same time. When a waw functions as a vowel, sounded o or oo, it does not have the sound of w as in water. The y, like waw, can be both vowel and consonant.”
Fagnani and Davidson’s Hebrew Primer and Grammar states on page 10: “The four letters a, h, w, y may lose their consonantal force and be merged into vowels.”
In explaining the Hebrew language, Menahem Mansoor in Biblical Hebrew points out on page 33: “There are, generally speaking, two main pronunciations: the Ashkenazi, or German, originated by Central and Eastern European Jews and carried to all countries to which those Jews have emigrated (Western Europe, America, etc.): and the Sephardi, or Spanish, used by the Jews of Spanish or Portuguese stock in Europe and America and also by Jews from Oriental countries. In all universities and throughout Israel, the Sephardi pronunciation has been adopted, since it is generally believed that this is the pronunciation nearest to the original…”
The prestigious Oxford English Dictionary notes the following on “V”: “The 22nd letter of the modern English and the 20th of the ancient Roman alphabet, was in the latter an adoption of the early Greek vowel-symbol V, now also represented by U and Y (q.v.), but in Latin was employed also with the value of the Greek digamma (viz.w), to which it corresponds etymologically.” Webster’s New World Dictionary concurs that the digamma had the sound of the English w. (“V”, p. 1565)
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,10:45) Hi Frank, YOU HAVE PROVED NOTHING! The Hebrew does NOT have a “W” sound (as you assert)!
I CHALLENGE YOU to post some Hebrew words WITH a “W” sound.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. (1Thess.5:21-22)
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.(Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using😉
after the commandments (traditions) and doctrines of men? (Col 2:21-22)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,No. It is you that have prove nothing!
Hi Frank,
What I have proved is that you are inconsistent.
If Hebrew has a “W” sound, as you assert,
then show us some Hebrew words!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:15) Hi Frank, What I have proved is that you are inconsistent.
If Hebrew has a “W” sound, as you assert,
then show us some Hebrew words!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,What is the sound that you assert if not a “W” (uu, oo) sound?
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:15) Hi Frank, What I have proved is that you are inconsistent.
If Hebrew has a “W” sound, as you assert,
then show us some Hebrew words!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,What is the sound that you assert if not a “W” (uu, oo) sound?
Hi Frank,The “Vav” is the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet,
here's a chart for you which shows its pronunciations.
Note: Hebrew has no “W” sound!
B'shem
YHVHQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:29) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Jan. 26 2012,11:19) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:15) Hi Frank, What I have proved is that you are inconsistent.
If Hebrew has a “W” sound, as you assert,
then show us some Hebrew words!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,What is the sound that you assert if not a “W” (uu, oo) sound?
Hi Frank,The “Vav” is the sixth letter in the Hebrew alphabet,
here's a chart for you which shows its pronunciations.
Note: Hebrew has no “W” sound!B'shem
YHVH
Ed J,I asked you “What is the sound that you assert if not a “W” (uu, oo) sound?”
Hi Frank,
Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2012,11:40) Hi Frank, Did you not look at the chart? …”V” as in vine.
“I(YÄ-shü-ă) am the true vine, and my Father(YÄ-hä-vā) is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:” (John 15:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I am quite familiar with this chart. I also noted that it says
“It also represents the vowels “u” as in “flute” … and “o” as in “hole”…”
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