Proof jesus is god from paul's mouth?

[Cindy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2009,09:17)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too?

Nick  Come on, you know better then that.  Look in Hebrew what the Father calls His Son.  And in John.
But never the less, there is no trinity.  
Irene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too?

NH

Once again.

Jesus was in the Father does that mean that the Father was not God!

Your logic is weak!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,07:59) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,15:41) the books you study are they only trinity based? Really I do not study other books. I do not think I have a single book on the Trinity in my library. WJ if you are studing to go into the ministry field and you believe in the trinity, the books you read and study from are trinity based and written, you do know this right? i.e. A jew would not read a catholic bible to become a rabbi.

Hi

The school I have graduated from uses the Bible for its thelogy like most others like the Catholics, Unitarians etc.

Text books are not the main source of study.

WJ

[Cindy]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:33)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too? NH Once again. Jesus was in the Father does that mean that the Father was not God! Your logic is weak! WJ

W.J. How do you believe that Jesus was in the Father? You know that I don't belief in the trinity and are you saying that?
Irene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,07:59) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,15:41) the books you study are they only trinity based? Really I do not study other books. I do not think I have a single book on the Trinity in my library. WJ if you are studing to go into the ministry field and you believe in the trinity, the books you read and study from are trinity based and written, you do know this right? i.e. A jew would not read a catholic bible to become a rabbi.

Hi

You do understand the the Bible that we have comes from the Catholics dont you?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Is that why you preach the catholic dogma of trinity?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:41)

Hi WJ, Is that why you preach the catholic dogma of trinity?

NH

The same could be said of you for preaching the death, burial and resurection of Jesus!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Indeed we preach that Jesus died and was entombed and then raised and that hope is for us to follow.
Do you have another gospel?

Was God in Jesus or was Jesus God?

[Cindy]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:39)

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,07:59) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,15:41) the books you study are they only trinity based? Really I do not study other books. I do not think I have a single book on the Trinity in my library. WJ if you are studing to go into the ministry field and you believe in the trinity, the books you read and study from are trinity based and written, you do know this right? i.e. A jew would not read a catholic bible to become a rabbi. Hi You do understand the the Bible that we have comes from the Catholics dont you? WJ

You got to be kidding me? The bible was not printed by the Catholic Church, was it” Where is that prove? I rally would like to know that.
Irene

[princess of the king]

Thinker marvels at the princess ……….

Where is your Father?
Yohanan 8.19

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:33)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too? NH Once again. Jesus was in the Father does that mean that the Father was not God! Your logic is weak! WJ

2 Timothy 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

Ac 13:23 From this man's seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior–Jesus–

1 Peter 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Jesus was IN the Father before he even existed, as the human that would come at an appointed time, born of the seed of David, to be a savior for the world.

[princess of the king]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:36)

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,07:59) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,15:41) the books you study are they only trinity based? Really I do not study other books. I do not think I have a single book on the Trinity in my library. WJ if you are studing to go into the ministry field and you believe in the trinity, the books you read and study from are trinity based and written, you do know this right? i.e. A jew would not read a catholic bible to become a rabbi. Hi The school I have graduated from uses the Bible for its thelogy like most others like the Catholics, Unitarians etc. Text books are not the main source of study. WJ

I do realize that text books are not the main study tool, but they are a tool used for studing,, the reason I ask is when I converse with other pastors, they always end up giving me one of their old study tool books, which are based on the belief of the trinity, so hence teaching and learning are based on the trinity theory. pondering if yours to be the same.

and yes I understand how scriptures were cannonized, even know why some where rejected, i liked david's chart, would have preferred the format in excel/spreadsheet.

the chaos (catholic) religion is one i cannot tolerate, very little patience with it, all smoke and mirrors as some have stated of late.

kol tuv

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 07 2009,18:07)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too? NH Once again. Jesus was in the Father does that mean that the Father was not God! Your logic is weak! WJ 2 Timothy 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, Ac 13:23 From this man's seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior–Jesus– 1 Peter 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. Jesus was IN the Father before he even existed, as the human that would come at an appointed time, born of the seed of David, to be a savior for the world.

Jodi

Even if the way you interpret those scriptures were true, Jesus is now “In” the Father and the Father is “in him”

So again that is no proof that he is not God!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So is Jesus the one the Jews called God?[Jn8.54]

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,18:16)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:36) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,07:59) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 07 2009,15:41) the books you study are they only trinity based? Really I do not study other books. I do not think I have a single book on the Trinity in my library. WJ if you are studing to go into the ministry field and you believe in the trinity, the books you read and study from are trinity based and written, you do know this right? i.e. A jew would not read a catholic bible to become a rabbi. Hi The school I have graduated from uses the Bible for its thelogy like most others like the Catholics, Unitarians etc. Text books are not the main source of study. WJ I do realize that text books are not the main study tool, but they are a tool used for studing,, the reason I ask is when I converse with other pastors, they always end up giving me one of their old study tool books, which are based on the belief of the trinity, so hence teaching and learning are based on the trinity theory. pondering if yours to be the same. and yes I understand how scriptures were cannonized, even know why some where rejected,  i liked david's chart, would have preferred the format in excel/spreadsheet. the chaos (catholic) religion is one i cannot tolerate, very little patience with it, all smoke and mirrors as some have stated of late. kol tuv

Hi
I think that most pastors probably do that because there are other studies that they feel can give light on the scritpures.

If not, well I just go to the scriptures to teach the truth!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,18:28)

Hi WJ, So is Jesus the one the Jews called God?[Jn8.54]

No

Why, are you like the unbelieving Jews that crucified him for claiming he was God?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
But no scripture teaches trinity as you do?
Catholicism does not need your support.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Cindy @ Sep. 08 2009,09:29)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2009,09:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too? Nick  Come on, you know better then that.  Look in Hebrew what the Father calls His Son.  And in John. But never the less, there is no trinity.   Irene

Nick does not know any better. Like a little child he likes to provoke.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Cindy @ Sep. 08 2009,09:37)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:01) Hi WJ, But you say the man Jesus is God but now it is God who dwells in him? NH Was Jesus merely flesh? WJ Hi WJ, You should know the answer if God dwells also in you.[Eph3] You offer Jesus as God and yet tell us God dwells in him? If God dwells in you does that make you God too? NH Once again. Jesus was in the Father does that mean that the Father was not God! Your logic is weak! WJ W.J.  How do you believe that Jesus was in the Father?  You know that I don't belief in  the trinity and are you saying that? Irene

In John 10:37-38 Jesus said that the Father was in Him and He was in the Father.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,09:45)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,17:41) Hi WJ, Is that why you preach the catholic dogma of trinity? NH The same could be said of you for preaching the death, burial and resurection of Jesus! WJ

Nick believes that baptism saves which is also a Catholic doctrine.

thinker

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