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Edj…..the term “spirit of”, is meant to convey to us that Jesus had that Spirit, not that he x was that spirit. Please pay close attention at what this scripture says .
Rom 8:11…..but if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead, “dwell” in you, he that raised up Christ (the anointed on) From the dead shall quicken your mortal (dead) bodies by his (God’s Spirit) that dwells “in” you’
Edj it is the same Spirit Jesus had “in” him, doing the same then in us as it did “in” man Jesus. We’re not given two different Spirits , one of God and then another of Jesus, no, just one “Spirit in all and through all”. Just that simple Edj. The Spirit of the Christos (anointing) is the Spirit Jesus was given after his baptizim at the Jordan river , it is that exact same anointing Spirit (Christos ) from God that is working in all of God sons and daughters, including Jesus our lord.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Why are you explaining a different verse Gene?
Romans 8:11 is talking about the spirit of God – we are in agreement on that verse.
However, the verse I asked you about instead was Galatians 4:6…
4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)This time please answer question – giving a speech is not an answer
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
Just please answer “Yes” or “no” – as I cannot ascertain your answer from your speech
Just that simple Edj.
That was NOT SIMPLE at all, I did not see an answer of “Yes” or No”.
To me, your thoughts are very convoluted and need to be un-packed,
so please just answer with a very simple “Yes” or No”. Here’s the verse…4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)And here’s my question:
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
Edj…..I realize they are “convoluted ” to you, because your not able to understand the “anointing” spirit that was “in” Jesus is the “seed” sperma of God, given him when he was “anointed” with it at the Jordan river. For some reason you mind seems unable to comprehend that. Perhaps this will help you, even if you can’t comprehend what I or Jodi have already wrote you before. Now pay attintion please.
ACTS 10:37-38….. That word I say you know, which was published throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee, (when?) After the baptizim which John preached, ( now pay paticular attintion EDJ, ) VERSE 38, How GOD “anointed” Jesus of Nazareth “with” the Holy Ghost and power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, (why?) because God was with him.
Now I will ask you a yes/no question……was Jesus ““anointed” or not, yes or no please, now if you say yes. He was then what was he “anointed with”? Was it the “Holy Spirit” of God?, now if you say yes, you would be right, if you say no you would be wrong.
Now let’s repeat the scripture I “directly” quoted in the Last post and see if you can put it together, this time.
Rom 8:11….but if the “Spirit of him (God) that raised Jesus from the dead, “dwell in you”, he (God) that raised up Christ (the anointed one) from the dead will “ALSO” (the same as he did with Jesus) shall quicken ( bring to life) your mortal (dead) bodies, by his (Gods) Spirit that dwells “in” you.
Now do you see there any mention of Jesus’ spirit raising us from the dead? , it was God the Fathers Spirit that was “in” Jesus, and that same Spirit is in all his Chosen one to. There is not two different Spirits that is in us, one of God the Father, and one of the man Jesus the anointed one, like us who have the Fathers Spirit “in” them also. One Spirit “in” all and “through” all. One GOD who is Spirit and dwell “in” his true childern , by the Anointing Spirit which is the seed or (sperma) of one and only one God, the Father of Jesus and us who have his seed in them, the same God of Jesus and us also.
As I said “simple ” if you actually understand it, IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Jude 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore!Jodi 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, starting about 2000 years ago, now and forevermore!As I said “simple ” if you actually understand it, IMO
Sorry Gene, not so simple?
was that a “Yes” or a “No”
your words are so convoluted I cannot tell ? Why not just give a simple answer,
don’t you want me to understand what you are saying?Here’s the verse again…
4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)And here’s my question again:
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
Gene, you are blind to see why essays don’t work.
Yet because of “FreeWill”: You, Jodi, and Carmel “will”
likely continue in that worthless endeavor producing no fruit.Now I will ask you a yes/no question……was Jesus ““anointed” or not, yes or no please, now if you say yes. He was then what was he “anointed with”? Was it the “Holy Spirit” of God?, now if you say yes, you would be right, if you say no you would be wrong.
No Now,
You answer my question and I, because of my God given “FreeWill”, will certainly answer yours.
But you CANNOT influence me to answer your questions while “Willfully” avoiding mine.At least your mentor Jodi, takes the time out of her busy essay writing here, to actually
answer my questions. Maybe you really don’t have a “FreeWill”? But she clearly does!Ref to Gal 4:4-7…
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
Gene, your brain seems to be on lock-down.
Let me give you an example how y/n questions leads to clarity and resolution
as you apparently don’t understand. Here’s some examples of how it works:Q. Is the “Kingdom of God” – “The Kingdom of Heaven” – “Yes” or “No” ?
A. YesQ. Does that mean then that “Heaven is God” – “Yes” or “No” ?
A. NoQ. Why not?
See how asking questions leads to understanding? But you will likely
continue the unfruitful practice of essays instead of meaningful dialog.Heck, maybe you really don’t have a “FreeWill”?
Edj…..the spirit of Christ (is the anointing Spirit of God) just that simple , I really don’t know anyone who dosen’t know that except you?
So The answer to your “yes/no” questions is , “YES” , the spirit of Christ ( which is the anointing ) spirit of (from) God , who sends that same Spirit he gave his son Jesus , and, GIVES IT ALSO, to us. The Same spirit, not a “different” Spirit, as you preach. Exactly as Rom 8:11 “Clearly” shows, Just That simple.
More, yes no question for you Edj…..
1….Is it “God”, who sends the spirit that was in his son into us.? Acts 10:38
2… was it, the Sprit of God that raised Jesus from the dead. ? Rom 8:11
3….is it, that same Spirit of God, that raises our bodies from the dead also. ? Rom 8:11
4…. was God who is Spirit “in” Jesus”? John 10:38
5…. was God in Jesus, reconciling the world unto “himself”.? 2 Cor 5:19
6…..Did Jesus say the Father was “in” him? John 10:38
7…..Does scripture say Jesus was anointed? Acts 10:38
EDJ….I even went so far as providing you with scriptures, to help you get the right answers.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Got many, many, many, more yes / no questions for you, but for now I think this will nor over tax your mind.
Here’s the verse again…
4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)Got many, many, many, more yes / no questions for you, but for now I think this will nor over tax your mind.
You answer my questions, and I will certainly answer yours. Deal?
My question is in my last post, you have still yet to answer.
Then you ask me a question , and I will certainly answer.
Then it will be my turn again to ask you a question.here’s my question again:
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
Here’s the verse again…
4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)Gene,
What makes you think out of my “FreeWill” I will answer your questions,
while at the same time you continue to ignore mine? Ain’t happening!here’s my question again:
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
I think this is now the seventh time I asked you this, and all I get out of you is speeches
Edj…..the answer to you question is clearly answered in my last post, let me answer it again for you ok?, the answer is YES.,
Now please answer my 7 questions I gave you , along with the scriptures you might need to answer them.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Here’s the verse again…
4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)here’s my question again:
Is “the spirit of his Son” – “the spirit of Christ”? “Yes” or “No”
Edj…..the answer to you question is clearly answered in my last post, let me answer it again for you ok?,
the answer is YES.,ok “Yes” great!
One question at a time Gene, as I have follow-up questions for you too
Give me which question you want me to answer first.
Then it will be my turn to ask you another question…Hi Ed J,
YOU:
Gal 4:4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)ME:
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me TO preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, TO preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, TO set at liberty them that are bruised,
Ed J APPLY Galatians 4 to the below passages,
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16 Let THE WORD of Christ DWELL IN YOU richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
John 6:63 It is THE Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Paul teaches that people received the Holy Spirit where by such they have the mind of Christ.
Now the mind of Christ is the mind of the son of Jesse, Jesus, who was anointed with the Spirit of Wisdom and then was sent out to preach.
“The Spirit of the Son” was the Spirit of God that was upon the son of Jesse, and that same Spirit came to be upon others so that they could be of the same mind as the anointed Jesus. They received the Spirit of Wisdom where they too were sent out to preach the gospel.
John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
What is the problem with believing that Jesus Christ is now in the glory that he had with the Father before the world existed?
Surely it would be Satan who wants to deceive people about this.
Lets hear all the excuses under the sun.
Proclaimer. ….what you do not seem to understand, the “problem” with that is , that belife moves Jesus away from his human root, it is just another of “lie” Designed by Satan, to make people think Jesus is “different” the his human brothers and sisters. If you add that lie with so many others out there, like Jesus is GOD, Jesus was “alive” before Abraham, the whole world was created by Jesus , Jesus was God in the flesh, Jesus is part of the trinity, you then have created a Jesus completely different than we are.
When in your mind you have turned Jesus away from you own identity with him as a pure human being, two thing take place , one you will never think you could ever achieve what he has achieved, because you can not connect with him on your level, it also destroys the very reason and purpose of Jesus having to be a ordinary human being, that God “perfected” through his suffering on this earth as a real human being, to show us how we can have that “exact same” relationship with God the Father as he had in “every way”.
Satan know if he could create the “image” of Jesus, into a God in our minds, or as a preexsting being of somekind, who pteexisted his birth on this earth, it would cause people to “seperate” themselves from him. That is why I call those teachings the “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION “, because that is exactly what those “LIES” do. 2THS2. All those teachings that move Jesus away from his human roots, are designed by Satan himself, and they started at the very beginning of the church, during the time of the apostles John and Paul.
Proclaimer if you could only come to see this, act by Satan of “Seperating” Jesus from the rest of humanity” and how it was made by SATAN to destroy the, TRUE FAITH, IN GOD THE FATHER, AND JESUS OUR LORD. In 2THS2 Paul warned the church about this taking place, for those who have eyes to see it. Proclaimer think about it who is the “only” human being who has taken his seat in the Temple of the True God. , it is the man Jesus, who now sits there, and is he not being worshiped as a God? It’s all about how we perceive the Man Jesus, our lord. But better our elder Brother, who God our Father has placed over us in the household of God.
My hope and prayer is that you and all will come to see and understand this.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Proclaimer,
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Paul says just prior,
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
and that which was said after, 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
BACK TO ROMANS 8, 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Proclaimer, the Gospel is not about some anointed spirit son coming to earth emptying himself to die for our sins and then go back to his former glory.
The Gospel is about a son of David to whom God anoints with His Spirit and causes perfection in him, where then this man cannot be held to the penalty of death because he had walked in all the ways God had commanded him to. We are promised this same Spirit upon us, as Jesus said that we would drink of the cup he drank of and be baptized with the baptism he was baptized with but to sit on his right or left is up to our heavenly Father.
The Spirit is life because of righteousness, that Spirit was in the man Jesus and people witnessed him be raised from the dead, giving us faith and hope in God, that we would become joint heirs with the man who was ANOINTED, being heirs of God’s Spirit and likewise receive eternal life. For it is the Spirit that bears witness to our spirit that we are children of God, and it is those who are led by the Spirit of God who are the Sons of God. Jesus rose from the dead receiving the PROMISED Holy Spirit, he was raised on that day begotten of it, given to him for all eternity.
This glory was OF GOD before the world began and Jesus KNEW THAT, he knew that he was of the foreknowledge of God destined to be His firstborn of many, where he would be made higher than the kings of the earth. (Psalm 89)
Hi Proclaimer,
Chrio -to anoint
Christos- the anointed
God’s word was that he was going TO ANOINT (Chrio) the son of Jesse and SEND him out into the world to deliver captives. He whom God SENT was a man whom He ANOINTED (Christos).
23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached BEFORE HIS COMING the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Prior to the baptism John preached NO savior had been sent yet.
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives,
and he whom is LED by the Spirit of God is a Son of God
1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
15 And Jesus answering said unto him,Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
we are to be joint heirs with Christ, drink of the same cup and receive the same baptism, and the Spirit bears witness to our spirit that we are children of God.
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
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