Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

It is your vain belief in preexistence that causes you to deny the anointing of the man, Jesus, at the Jordan.

In essence you seem to deny the power and abilities of God’s Spirit.

Do not take pride in your stubbornness.

You too can be changed.

 

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

The idea of souls preexisting comes from Plato and was fostered by Origen.

Your belief seems to be that only the man Jesus preexisted and not all men.

But this is a misunderstanding based on failure to grasp the prophetic word.

And the failure to appreciate the work of the eternal anointing Spirit in him.

And rejection of this anointing which the bible shows as being at the Jordan.

[GeneBalthrop]

T8….Please listen, NICK is right on this, Jesus did not exist before his berth on this earth, even though he was prophecied to come into existence at the apointed time, by the prophets who were moved by the Spirit of God.

You are not standing on ferm ground T8, and slugging down the work of God on this site. I know you don’t want to but you are brother, IMO.

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

Zech 12.1

….Thus declares the Lord, Who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth,

and forms the spirit of man within him.

 

Do you agree this applies to all men?

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Mike,

Do you think that being AS GODS is the same as BEING GODS?

[Proclaimer]

Hi T8,
For some odd reason you think that those who find your weak logic and reason based interpretations of the prophetic and spiritual word of God lacking, are in opposition to the truth. Why is this?

Because you teach the opposite of:

• To the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord,
  before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
• He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
• Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
• In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
  but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things,
  and through whom he made the universe.

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

So who was before all ages? Who did creation come through?

Was it a man, the son of Mary, or a spirit being?

Or is there another possibility?

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

If he is a man was Adam not the first man?

[Jodi]

t8,

Without the work of God’s Spirit in Jesus, Jesus would have never been perfected. TRUE or FALSE?

Without that perfection we would still be in our sins, and thus there would be no hope of eternal life. TRUE or FALSE?

If there is no hope in eternal life all that are dead are not sleeping but are dead forever, and those that are alive there fate as well is death. This makes a future of nothing but death.

But God PLANNED for a future of life from the beginning, and all things consist in that life, and all things that God made was for the purpose of life for evermore. TRUE or FALSE?

The way to eternal life is through the man who shed his blood. TRUE or FALSE?

God is life, His Spirit brings righteousness to man, and thus man is also deserving of life. TRUE or FALSE?

God promised David of his seed God would unto his seed His Spirit, and appoint him an eternal king. TRUE or FALSE?

Jesus was MADE into a savior on earth through the Spirit that causes righteousness. TRUE or FALSE?

t8, do you think that our heavenly Father would have made the world without His plan that consisted of a seed from David being made into a savior?

All things were not made by a pre-existing son, all things to do not consist through a pre-existing son, ALL things consist according to the LIFE that a perfect human son brought through the shedding of his blood.

You are trying to say that the world was made by a pre-existing son, but the scripture is telling us that God made the world THROUGH a man that would COME and shed his blood and bring LIFE.

You even have this stated in the passage, and you cannot see this truth.

who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

 

 

[Proclaimer]

Jodi, he emptied himself and came in the flesh. Yes lots of work was done in him like us. We all learn obedience through suffering, even the one born the messiah.

He is now in the glory he had with the Father, before there was even a cosmos.

Amen.

[GeneBalthrop]

T8….That glory was a predestined glory that was to come to him, he never had that glory until he was resurected from the grave. We also have honor, and glory already aforded us, but we as Jesus was are looking forward for it, we do not have it now, right?

Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Jer 1.5

 

You know that does not mean that Jeremiah preexisted.

Neither did the firstborn conceived of Mary preexist..

 

[Proclaimer]

Sorry guys,  he emptied himself and came in the flesh. He is now in the glory he had with the Father, before there was even a cosmos. It is written, I believe it, the end. Not going to let smooth talking serpents talk me out of it. Are you a serpent? Why teach against what is clearly written. Are we not to believe what is written? What spirit denies the scriptures and the fact that Jesus was always the Christ. He was born the Christ and still is the Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi t8,

Yes until you are taught by the Spirit you will not grasp the prophetic word.

Keep kicking against the goad.

[NickHassan]

Hi T8,

You deny the anointing at the Jordan and seem to teach he was never anointed at all,

rather existing as a different being before he was even conceived of Mary.

 

Or did we miss where you told us when he was anointed?

The prophetic word trips up the spiritually naive.

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

You deny the anointing at the Jordan and seem to teach he has never anointed at all,

rather being a godman before he was even conceived of Mary.

Hi Nick,

T8 is NOT teaching any of those things.
(Correct me if I’m wrong on this T8)

I believe that T8 believes as I,
that “the Spirit of Christ” is
“the spirit of the Son of God”

and God’s HolySpirit is
the spirit of his father.

____________
God bless
Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

I think that Is your unique view.

But the Spirit of anointing is the anointing Spirit.

[Proclaimer]

Correct Ed J. Nick says things like that to change the subject or to get out of an awkward situation he got himself in.

Jesus was born the Christ. The Spirit descended upon him at the baptism of John. He started his ordained ministry after that.

He was born the son of God and the Lord.

The Antichrist Spirit denies Jesus is the Christ. This is how we know.

[GeneBalthrop]

T8….if JESUS WAS BORN ANOINTED, THEN WHY DID HE GET ANOINTED AGAIN, AND WHY WAS HE NOT DOING MIRCLES BEFOR HIS ANOINTING AT THE Jordan river. You teachings that he was already anointed at berth is wrong T8. You don’t seem to understand what or why an anointing is required and who it pertains to.

Tell us are angels anointed beings, or any other preexistibg beings anointed. I believe only man is anointed inorder to recieve the spirit of God, then God uses that person for his perpose he has in mind for him. That is exactly what happened to Jesus.

You say you do not believe in the “trinitarian”, but you stand with one foot out and the other still in.

Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

[Proclaimer]

He was born the Christ, the Lord, and the son of God. That is what scripture says. It is what I believe. I do not deny that he is and was the Christ.

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