Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

No proofs but just suppositions based on misunderstanding of the prophetic word.

Do you have any proofs?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

I expect the choice of ANOTHER COMFORTER is to avoid the concept of there being ANOTHER SPIRIT.

The Spirit of God is one.

[kerwin]

Nick,
I asked Ed this and he did not answer the question but said you know the answer.

(A)Your teaching is confusing.

1) You claim Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
2) You claim Jesus Christ has the Holy Spirit.

Either one or the other is true not both.
(B) So which is not what you believe.

Since Ed is not interested in clearing up the matter which does he believe?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

The Spirit of anointing born as a human baby.

No the Spirit of Christ was with God in the beginning, was with the Israelites in the desert, and was in the prophets.

That Spirit of anointing was in Jesus from the Jordan and transformed him into a man of power.

 

[Ed J]

Ed,

1) You did not answer my question.
2) No, I do not read every post you write.
3) Nick may not understand what you teach either as he only addresses aspects.

Hi Kerwin,

1) If you don’t know that I did, then ask again.
2) That is why you are confused about the matter.
3) He seems to get what I teach more than you do anyway,
as you have called me ‘a heretic’ here in the recent past; at least
Nick Hassan recognizes me as his Christian brother in the faith. Do you?

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

The Holy Spirit came down on Jesus at the Jordan.

Hi Nick,

Yes, but I have proven to YOU that Jesus was born with “the spirit of Christ”!

Hi Ed,

No proofs but just suppositions based on misunderstanding of the prophetic word.

Do you have any proofs?

Hi Nick,

Again I say yes; look carefully at what Micah 5:2 says, the proof is there.

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God bless
Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

No you cannot grasp the prophetic Word.

It can combine several concepts as one.

 

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

I expect the choice of ANOTHER COMFORTER is to avoid the concept of there being ANOTHER SPIRIT.

The Spirit of God is one.

Hi Nick,

If Jesus uses the words “another comforter” to avoid confusion, then why on Earth
are you totally confused about “the Spirit of Christ” being a different comforter?

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Your confusion lies in the fact that you won’t let go of the erroneous idea that
Jesus’ spirit fathered himself ??? – I will orchestrate a question depicting your problem:

Do you believe “the Spirit of Christ” is: instead of being Jesus’ spirit, “The Father of Spirits”? y/n
(Remember “I don’t know” is an acceptable answer)

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Since Ed is not interested in clearing up the matter which does he believe?

Hi Kerwin,

What is that suppose to mean?

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

(1) The Spirit of anointing born as a human baby.

(2) No the Spirit of Christ was with God in the beginning, was with the Israelites in the desert, and was in the prophets.

(3) That Spirit of anointing was in Jesus from the Jordan and transformed him into a man of power.

Hi Nick,

1) Awkwardly worded, but I can go along with that wording (:

2) If you remove the word “No” from the beginning of that sentence, I agree with that wording as well.

3) Here your confusion is plain to see: the “Holy Spirit” is no-where called ‘the Spirit of anointing’
…that is merely a private interpretation of Prophecy… something Peter warns about doing to God’s word.

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God bless
Ed J

[kerwin]

Ed,

That is what your answer to me revealed.

[kerwin]

Ed,

You teach a false gospel and so yes you are a heretic. You may teach it from either unintentional lack or from intentional lack of knowledge. The earlier is easier work with than the later because the later is often the result of self denial. Self denial is a sin and is not the sin onto death. You claim to follow Christ and I will take you at your word and let God judge your heart. It is the same with anyone on this sight; even if they are not a heretic.

[Ed J]

Ed,

That is what your answer to me revealed.

Ed,

1) You claim Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.
2) You claim Jesus Christ has the Holy Spirit.

Either one or the other is true not both.
So which is not what you believe.

Hi Kerwin,

# 1

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God bless
Ed J

Hi Kerwin,

Your answer reveals to me that you do not read my posts.

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God bless
Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

1Jn 2.20

1 Jn 2.27

Which is the anointing that we have received from him that teaches us about all things?

It is the anointing from the Holy One 1 jn 2.20

The Holy Spirit that dwells in us

1tim 1.14

 

Have you been made a partaker of the Holy Spirit?

Heb 6.4

The Spirit of God is Holy and in it is the Spirit of Christ

 

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

The Holy Spirit fathered the boy Jesus.

As a man the child had a human spirit that left him at Calvary as John, Luke and Matthew attest.

 

The Holy Spirit helps us to worship God and that worship is in spirit and in truth.

The gift of tongues is that prayer in groans we cannot understand.

Rom 8

 

Would you get confused about this too thinking God was worshiping Himself?

[kerwin]

Ed,

I read a number of your posts as well as the posts of others and they may misunderstand your position just as I do. My memory just places them and everything else in the same unorganized file thus it aids me for you to just answer a simple question about your doctrine instead of me pretending I continuing like I know where you stand.

[Richard of Decatur]

I am somewhat confused by everything that I have read posted on this subject. So many opinions, few substantiate what is being talked about, but that is my ‘opinion’.
Can’t remember exactly where and who that were writing about “Jesus is not God.” So, was Thomas blaspheming when he said the following in verse 28 of John 20:
27Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”

28And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
30And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

How can you deny that Jesus is God after reading John 1: 1-4, 14. The Word of God says, “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” this proves Jesus is the Word. The Word of God says “the Word was God”. This absolutely says that Jesus was God. While He and the One called the Father are not the same entity, both are GOD.
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and trut

Also, how can you not understand that the Word of God tells us that Jesus was “equal with God”.
Philippians 2
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

These three passages prove Jesus was God and pre-existed His birth by the virgin Mary. While Mary was His mother, His Father was God. How did this happen? I believe Jesus transformed Himself into a sperm cell. In that condition, He could not do anything. So, it required God the Father through the power of the Holy Spirit to place that sperm cell into Mary’s womb to fertilize one of her eggs and that was how Jesus was born truly human and also truly divine.
You all may think you are pretty smart with all your reasoning and logic. I am not buying it. I will trust only in the Word of God and all your ideas are meaningless unless they conform to the Word of God and some of you seem clueless in this regard.
Richard of Decatur

[Richard of Decatur]

I agree with Mikeboll64. He wrote a lot of things to refute what others wrote about Jesus not being God and not pre-existing before He was born. Baloney, Jesus was God in the beginning, was with the Father, both being God. Jesus was God during His earthly life, and continued being God after His resurrection.
Amen, Mike.

[NickHassan]

Hi Richard,

‘God was in Christ reconciling get the world to Himself.’

Thomas was in the group Jesus spoke to explaining his relationship with the Father in Jn 14.

So John spoke wisely when he saw Jesus and said

‘My Lord

AND

my God. ‘

 

 

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