Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Hi DD,

So tell us about the Word.

Was the Word human?

[Danny Dabbs]

Hi NH,

No, the Word in the beginning was not human. The Word became human.

The ‘Word’ in the context of John-1 is a divine entity, which is Jesus Christ, who existed in the beginning with God.
The Context of John 1:1 and John 1:14 speaks of a Person having the function of being the Logos in the sense of “revealer”
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God yet; The Unique One [who is] God [in nature], is in the bosom of the Father. This one he did exegete.

blessings to you!

Danny

[GeneBalthrop]

Danny Dabbs. ….CHECK out all the Greek words used there, and you will find he was speaking of his resurection from the Grave, and telling us that it is the spirit that “quickens” the flesh profits nothing because it is the Spirit that they would see that would bring Jesus up from where he was placed before. Think about it brother.

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[Ed J]

You believe that both the Father and the Son are the Holy Spirit.
You believe that the Father is God.
You believe that Jesus Christ is NOT God.
So you believe that Jesus Christ is not God, but is the Holy Spirit who is God.

Can you explain this contradiction or is it a mystery that we should accept?

Hi T8,

Thank you for spelling this out for Nick.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

The Word was God.

I proceeded forth and came from God.

[NickHassan]

Hi DD,

The biggest mistake of theologians is to speak of Persons when speaking of Godly matters.

 

Scripture never uses the term in this way.

The Spirit of God is one and not divisible in the way humans see things.

When God gives of His Spirit he does not lose that Spirit but He remains in eternal unity with His Spirit.

 

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

Are possible implications good enough for you?

Why do you think Rom 8 is a problem?

Hi Nick,

Romans 8:9 is not a problem; Romans 8:9 instead identifies
(for you) who exactly the “We” is of John 14:23, which are:

1. The Spirit of God
2. The spirit of Christ

If you disagree, then tell me who you think the “We” of John 14:23 is.

Are possible implications good enough for you? (<-- ha ha ha ha)

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

That is what I have been saying.

Why are you confused about the two aspects of the one Spirit of God?

[Danny Dabbs]

Hi Gene, Nick, Kerwin, T8 and Ed J!

I want to be honest with you all, I’m a little bit confused now.

I really want to know the truth. Please pray for me.

Your Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Danny

[kerwin]

Danny Dobbs,

It is easy to be confused as it is something you have to come to understand for yourself and it is the Spirit of God that must teach you. It is acceptable to admit you have more to learn as long as you seek to learn the truth.

Jesus taught us to first seek God’s righteousness and his kingdom.

I will pray for you.

[kerwin]

Danny,

Hi Kerwin!

The scriptures are clear. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
blessings!

Danny

Peter tells us some Scriptures are hard to understand and such Scriptures breed controversy because those who lack knowledge or who are corrupt misinterpret them. To Jesus and his brother Jews such as John and Peter there is but one God and so they do see a second God mentioned in John 1:1. It is the pagans that would see such a thing, especially those that were indoctrinated with the idea their emperor was God. Instead the Monotheist would see that the word of God had the qualities of God, which did not include being God.

That is the difference between the viewpoint of those brought up monotheist and those brought up Pagan. That viewpoint effects how they would interpret John’s words. We are their posterior and so inherit their interpretations.

The Law has been important to the Jews and they know it as the word, or at least an aspect of the word. The also confess that by the word the world was created and ages framed. John was writing to Jews when he wrote his word and so they heart interpreted “the word” as the word that comes out of God mouth and that they are to obey and which the world was created by. John claimed this word had the qualities of God but was not God. His claim was not new among the Jews.

[Ed J]

Hi Gene, Nick, Kerwin, T8 and Ed J!

I want to be honest with you all, I’m a little bit confused now.

I really want to know the truth. Please pray for me.

Your Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ,

Danny

Hi Danny,

The problem is believing what religion has taught you – which is:
that Jesus or even the spirit of Christ is or was “The Word”.
“The Word” is God’s HolySpirit (A.K.A.: Christ’s Father)

In the beginning was God’s HolySpirit,
and God’s HolySpirit was with God,
and God’s HolySpirit was God.

If you have been baptized with God’s HolySpirit – God is in you.
“as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and
I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2Cor.6:16)

God’s HolySpirit was with God in the beginning,
but now God’s HolySpirit is with(/within) us.

_______________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Danny,

Ho Logos = Spirit

“as the Father said unto me, so I speak” (John 12:50)
“the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit” (John 6:63)

_______________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Danny,

These verses piece it together nicely for you.

“He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man” (Matthew 13:37)
“Now the parable is this: The seed is “The Word” of God.” (Luke 8:11)

Hebrews 7:28 says “The Word” (which is the HolySpirit) maketh the Son

(The HolySpirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:35)

“He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man” (Matthew 13:37)
“Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth
alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.” (John 12:24)

“Now the parable is this: The seed is “The Word” of God.” (Luke 8:11)
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by
“The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)

________________
Your brother
in Christ
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

That is what I have been saying.

Why are you confused about the two aspects of the one Spirit of God?

Hi Nick,

I will ask you two questions, please answer both:

1. Is the “HolySpirit” God?
2. Is the “spirit of Christ” God?

And please don’t make up a different question to answer
as a substitute for purposefully avoiding the real question

[terraricca]

Nick,Edj,and others

Jn 14:23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Jn 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
Jn 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you.

yes the the we cannot be anything else than the truth that comes through the spirit of truth and that the spirit of truth can only be owned if we (us) obey Christ’s teachings for his teachings comes not from him personally but from his father ;and since they both do not live in a human being it is their teachings that does live in us “IF ONLY WE OBEY IT ”

BUT to many here have their own teachings to make flourish, and pewk out instead of the truth from scriptures,

like Nick as a example so far in his own live and christian time as not yet established who is Jesus the Christ according to all the scriptures that talks about him ,he also fails to know God almighty the father of the first created being in all of creation ,the image of his God and father ,

still believes that Mary can give birth to the only son of God without a human father and still declare Christ a full human being like all of us born as Adam offspring ,all this Nick learned from his religion leaders not from scriptures (only very little of it )

but he is not alone all religions have failed to obey God through Jesus

but we all have the message ;Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

it does not say through religions right ? yes

[kerwin]

Ed,

“He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man” (Matthew 13:37)

Capitalizing the ‘S’ in Son is a translation error as Paul and others sow the good seed as well as Jesus.

The good seed is the good news that the kingdom of heaven was coming and is now here. Those that hear and obey the message will receive the Spirit and so be united with both God and Christ.

[terraricca]

Kerwin

in both cases Jesus his the good seed and what he says is also the good seed ;scriptures says so

[kerwin]

Ed,

It is Christ in Paul and others that sow the good seed. It is more likely that he and his agents are the ones that sow the good seed.

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

I am not sure what you mean by saying that Jesus is the good seed when he said the seed was the word.

Are you referencing Revelations?

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