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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,09:45)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,01:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,03:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2013,19:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2013,01:14) w Quote Your understanding that you think is the truth; I can proof that it is not the truth. wakeup. please do so ;but do it with scriptures and in harmony of all the words spoken by the prophets ,not by your religion believe ,if you can not you are a liar ,  i guess, T.  Isaiah 44:6   Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; ***I am the first, and I am the last***;   ***** and beside me there is no God.***** You have **another god beside God**. It's ok who cares; two is better than one. wakeup. w why are you using lies ,to promote yourself , me or Mike never say a thing like that ,on the contrary ,we declared that their his no other GOD LIKE JEHOVAH GOD THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR , you seem not to understand what we are saying ,or what scriptures are saying , may be it is time to put your KJV on the side and start reading the NIV or NETBIBLE just for a change T. This is what you believe: IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS —                              *A GOD*. WEll; there is no other god beside him. Where did *A GOD* come from? Are you importing gods? Or an inventor of gods? wakeup. w again and again and again ;read it slowly ,you may understand it better , “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM

T.

The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way.

There are many gods around God you say?
Can you show scriptures?
I only know one God to be worshipped.

wakeup.

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T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup.

YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45)

W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT

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“no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM.

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There are many gods around him you say?
Scripture please?
I only know one God to be worshipped.
The one God in heaven.

Are you confused somehow?

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:13)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45) W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT T. Quote “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM. . There are many gods around him you say? Scripture please? I only know one God to be worshipped. The one God in heaven. Are you confused somehow? wakeup.

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I only know one God to be worshipped.

ME TOO

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,14:53)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45) W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT T. Quote “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM. . There are many gods around him you say? Scripture please? I only know one God to be worshipped. The one God in heaven. Are you confused somehow? wakeup. w Quote I only know one God to be worshipped. ME TOO

T.

That was not what you have said,
For you have also A GOD.And he is not as powerful as God.
Or do you just ignore the A God?
Don't forget;HE is coming with the glory of God.
And every knee shall bow.
The living Word of God,AS *A BEING*.

He also was the one speaking to Abraham,
by the name of Melchisedek.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,14:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,14:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45) W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT T. Quote “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM. . There are many gods around him you say? Scripture please? I only know one God to be worshipped. The one God in heaven. Are you confused somehow? wakeup. w Quote I only know one God to be worshipped. ME TOO   T. That was not what you have said, For you have also A GOD.And he is not as powerful as God. Or do you just ignore the A God? Don't forget;HE is coming with the glory of God. And every knee shall bow. The living Word of God,AS *A BEING*. He also was the one speaking to Abraham, by the name of Melchisedek. wakeup.

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T. That was not what you have said,

THAT'S A LIE ,AND SO YOU ARE A LIAR ;

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2013,07:20)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,14:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,14:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45) W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT T. Quote “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM. . There are many gods around him you say? Scripture please? I only know one God to be worshipped. The one God in heaven. Are you confused somehow? wakeup. w Quote I only know one God to be worshipped. ME TOO   T. That was not what you have said, For you have also A GOD.And he is not as powerful as God. Or do you just ignore the A God? Don't forget;HE is coming with the glory of God. And every knee shall bow. The living Word of God,AS *A BEING*. He also was the one speaking to Abraham, by the name of Melchisedek. wakeup. W Quote T. That was not what you have said, THAT'S A LIE ,AND SO YOU ARE A LIAR ;

T.

Why was that a lie?
You believe; the word was A god.
or not?

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2013,20:24)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2013,07:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,14:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,14:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45) W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT T. Quote “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM. . There are many gods around him you say? Scripture please? I only know one God to be worshipped. The one God in heaven. Are you confused somehow? wakeup. w Quote I only know one God to be worshipped. ME TOO   T. That was not what you have said, For you have also A GOD.And he is not as powerful as God. Or do you just ignore the A God? Don't forget;HE is coming with the glory of God. And every knee shall bow. The living Word of God,AS *A BEING*. He also was the one speaking to Abraham, by the name of Melchisedek. wakeup. W Quote T. That was not what you have said, THAT'S A LIE ,AND SO YOU ARE A LIAR ; T. Why was that a lie? You believe; the word was A god. or not? wakeup.

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u believe; the word was A god.

yes ,i do ;but that is not making him the equal to his father Jehovah right yes

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2014,07:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2013,20:24) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2013,07:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,14:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,14:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,08:13) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,12:45) W Quote T. The tongue has no bones,it can twist and turn in every way. There are many gods around God you say? Can you show scriptures? I only know one God to be worshipped. wakeup. YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ;SO NO GO BACK IN YOUR QUOTES AND FIND IT T. Quote “no GOD BESIDE HIM ” MEANS NONE LIKE HIM ” BUT THEIR ARE MANY GODS AROUND HIM. . There are many gods around him you say? Scripture please? I only know one God to be worshipped. The one God in heaven. Are you confused somehow? wakeup. w Quote I only know one God to be worshipped. ME TOO   T. That was not what you have said, For you have also A GOD.And he is not as powerful as God. Or do you just ignore the A God? Don't forget;HE is coming with the glory of God. And every knee shall bow. The living Word of God,AS *A BEING*. He also was the one speaking to Abraham, by the name of Melchisedek. wakeup. W Quote T. That was not what you have said, THAT'S A LIE ,AND SO YOU ARE A LIAR ; T. Why was that a lie? You believe; the word was A god. or not? wakeup. w Quote u believe; the word was A god. yes ,i do ;but that is not making him the equal to his father Jehovah right yes

T.

So you believe:
God is almighty.
But his Word is not almighty.
You have got a big problem.

wakeup.

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T. So you believe: God is almighty. But his Word is not almighty. You have got a big problem. wakeup.

TO ME THE “WORD” IN JOHN 1;1 IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD ; TO YOU IT IS SPOKEN WORDS THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ;

AND YES THE SON OF GOD CREATED /MADE IN THE IMAGE AND SAME NATURE OF HIS FATHER IS MIGHTY BUT NOT AS MIGHTY AS HIS FATHER THAT CREATED HIM

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2014,12:36)

W Quote T. So you believe: God is almighty. But his Word is not almighty. You have got a big problem. wakeup. TO ME THE “WORD” IN JOHN 1;1 IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD ; TO YOU IT IS SPOKEN WORDS THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ; AND YES THE SON OF GOD CREATED /MADE IN THE IMAGE AND SAME NATURE OF HIS FATHER IS MIGHTY BUT NOT AS MIGHTY AS HIS FATHER THAT CREATED HIM

T.

You are still confused.
How can the Word be Jesus before he was made flesh.
John spoke of the beginning.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2014,08:40)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2014,12:36) W Quote T. So you believe: God is almighty. But his Word is not almighty. You have got a big problem. wakeup. TO ME THE “WORD” IN JOHN 1;1 IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD ; TO YOU IT IS SPOKEN WORDS THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ; AND YES THE SON OF GOD CREATED /MADE IN THE IMAGE AND SAME NATURE OF HIS FATHER IS MIGHTY BUT NOT AS MIGHTY AS HIS FATHER THAT CREATED HIM T. You are still confused. How can the Word be Jesus before he was made flesh. John spoke of the beginning. wakeup.

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THAT MY FRIEND IS THE MYSTERY OF THE CHRIST TO COME ;

THE WORD”WAS A BEING THAT BECAME FLESH JUST AS SCRIPTURES IS SAYING IT ;AND THAT BEING BECAME TO LIVE ON EARTH UNDER THE NAME THAT THE ANGEL AD GIVEN ;JESUS “THE WORD =JESUS SAME PERSON DIFFERENTLY CLOTHED

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,12:10)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2014,12:36) W Quote T. So you believe: God is almighty. But his Word is not almighty. You have got a big problem. wakeup. TO ME THE “WORD” IN JOHN 1;1 IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD ; TO YOU IT IS SPOKEN WORDS THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ; AND YES THE SON OF GOD CREATED /MADE IN THE IMAGE AND SAME NATURE OF HIS FATHER IS MIGHTY BUT NOT AS MIGHTY AS HIS FATHER THAT CREATED HIM T. You are still confused. How can the Word be Jesus before he was made flesh. John spoke of the beginning. wakeup. W THAT MY FRIEND IS THE MYSTERY OF THE CHRIST TO COME ; THE WORD”WAS A BEING THAT BECAME FLESH JUST AS SCRIPTURES IS SAYING IT ;AND THAT BEING BECAME TO LIVE ON EARTH UNDER THE NAME THAT THE ANGEL AD GIVEN ;JESUS “THE WORD =JESUS SAME PERSON DIFFERENTLY CLOTHED

T.

I agree with that.
But you said before that it is not possible that the Word can become a being??

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,13:05)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,12:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2014,12:36) W Quote T. So you believe: God is almighty. But his Word is not almighty. You have got a big problem. wakeup. TO ME THE “WORD” IN JOHN 1;1 IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD ; TO YOU IT IS SPOKEN WORDS THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ; AND YES THE SON OF GOD CREATED /MADE IN THE IMAGE AND SAME NATURE OF HIS FATHER IS MIGHTY BUT NOT AS MIGHTY AS HIS FATHER THAT CREATED HIM T. You are still confused. How can the Word be Jesus before he was made flesh. John spoke of the beginning. wakeup. W THAT MY FRIEND IS THE MYSTERY OF THE CHRIST TO COME ; THE WORD”WAS A BEING THAT BECAME FLESH JUST AS SCRIPTURES IS SAYING IT ;AND THAT BEING BECAME TO LIVE ON EARTH UNDER THE NAME THAT THE ANGEL AD GIVEN ;JESUS “THE WORD =JESUS SAME PERSON DIFFERENTLY CLOTHED T. I agree with that. But you said before that it is not possible that the Word can become a being?? wakeup.

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YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE WORD ” ARE SPOKEN WORDS ;WHAT I DO NOT BELIEVE ;I BELIEVE THAT 'THE WORD ” WAS IN FACT THE VERY FIRST CREATION OF GOD ,AND SO CALL HIM “THE WORD” FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE WOULD BECOME THE SPOKEN PERSON BETWEEN ALL OF GOD CREATION ,IN THE SAME WAY THAT ADAM WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HE DID NOT SIN ;

JUST AS MOSES ,BECAME THE SPOKEN MAN FOR GOD TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL ,

AND TOLD THAT THE OTHER PROPHET THAT WILL COME LIKE HIM IN A SIMILAR WAY WOULD BE THE SAME ,

AND SO IT WAS JESUS CHRIST ;THE WORD” not spoken words

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YOU BELIEVE THAT “THE WORD ” ARE SPOKEN WORDS ;WHAT I DO NOT BELIEVE ;I BELIEVE THAT 'THE WORD ” WAS IN FACT THE VERY FIRST CREATION OF GOD ,AND SO CALL HIM “THE WORD” FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE WOULD BECOME THE SPOKEN PERSON BETWEEN ALL OF GOD CREATION ,IN THE SAME WAY THAT ADAM WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HE DID NOT SIN ;

1. I SAID THAT GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND GAVE HIM A FORM AS HIS IMAGE. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS.
2.THE WORD WAS NEVER CREATED HE IS ALWAYS IN GOD'S MIND.
3.YOU BELIEVE AS THE MUSLEMS DO: JESUS IS JUST A PROPHET LIKE MOHAMAD,CREATED BY GOD,AND SPEAKS FOR GOD. HE IS THE SAME AS ADAM ONY HE DID NOT SIN.

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JUST AS MOSES ,BECAME THE SPOKEN MAN FOR GOD TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL ,

SO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS JUST A SPOKESMAN AS MOSES WAS.

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AND TOLD THAT THE OTHER PROPHET THAT WILL COME LIKE HIM IN A SIMILAR WAY WOULD BE THE SAME ,

BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS;THAT JESUS IS JUST LIKE THE OTHER PROPHETS.

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AND SO IT WAS JESUS CHRIST ;THE WORD” not spoken words

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYNG:
JESUS CREATED BY GOD IN THE FLESH, AND GOD SPOKE THROUGH HIM.

QUESTION: HOW THEN: CAN HE HAVE GLORY WITH GOD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS? HE WAS NOT CREATED YET UNTILL HIS BIRTH IN YEAR ONE.

HOW CAN HE COME BACK AS THE WORD OF GOD?

wakeup.

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1. I SAID THAT GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND GAVE HIM A FORM AS HIS IMAGE. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS.

so tell me WHO OR WHAT IS THE” WORD “ IN JOHN 1;1

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,08:30)

w Quote 1. I SAID THAT GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND GAVE HIM A FORM AS HIS IMAGE. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS. so tell me WHO OR WHAT IS THE” WORD “ IN JOHN 1;1

T.

You need to figure that out for yourself
I'm afraid.
I thought you knew?
He is just a prophet? Is it not, or have you forgotten what you said a minute ago?
Terra;you are so confused in your mind,
something is not right with you old boy.
have a good rest.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,03:46)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,08:30) w Quote 1. I SAID THAT GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND GAVE HIM A FORM AS HIS IMAGE. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS. so tell me WHO OR WHAT IS THE” WORD “ IN JOHN 1;1 T. You need to figure that out for yourself I'm afraid. I thought you knew? He is just a prophet? Is it not, or have you forgotten what you said a minute ago? Terra;you are so confused in  your mind, something is not right with you old boy. have a good rest. wakeup.

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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,08:49)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,03:46) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,08:30) w Quote 1. I SAID THAT GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND GAVE HIM A FORM AS HIS IMAGE. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS. so tell me WHO OR WHAT IS THE” WORD “ IN JOHN 1;1 T. You need to figure that out for yourself I'm afraid. I thought you knew? He is just a prophet? Is it not, or have you forgotten what you said a minute ago? Terra;you are so confused in  your mind, something is not right with you old boy. have a good rest. wakeup.

T.

That is not an aswer.
That is a sign of frustration.

wakeup.

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2014,07:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,08:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,03:46) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 03 2014,08:30) w Quote 1. I SAID THAT GOD BROUGHT FORTH HIS WORD AND GAVE HIM A FORM AS HIS IMAGE. YOU ARE TWISTING MY WORDS. so tell me WHO OR WHAT IS THE” WORD “ IN JOHN 1;1 T. You need to figure that out for yourself I'm afraid. I thought you knew? He is just a prophet? Is it not, or have you forgotten what you said a minute ago? Terra;you are so confused in  your mind, something is not right with you old boy. have a good rest. wakeup.           T. That is not an aswer. That is a sign of frustration. wakeup.

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