Preexistence

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,17:05)

C) “The Word” was God (Past tense)

Ah, so you are aligned with Nick, pretending that something that WAS God became something that WASN'T God anymore?

Enough said, Ed.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,17:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2012,10:00) Hi Ed, Even though you didn't come right out and answer my question, I gather that you understand and accept that there are three ways to translate John 1:1c. Hi Mike, Not so.

   

So it's an undeniable fact of translation, but you just don't want to accept it?      

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,17:19)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2012,10:00) Let's see you do that with MY understanding.  List any single scripture in the entire Bible that would refute my understanding of Jesus being the Word who became flesh and had the glory of God's only begotten. Hi Mike, “The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his(HolySpirit's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14) “And the glory which thou(Father) gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one” (John 17:22) the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com- pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

I'm still waiting for a scripture that refutes my understanding that the Word was Jesus.

I'm not sure how you're attempting to do that with this post.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,17:19)

“The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his(HolySpirit's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father” (John 1:14)

Ed,

You believe the Holy Spirit OF God is God Himself. How is it that God had the glory, not of “God”, but of the only begotten OF God?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2012,17:03)

Hi MB, Scripture never says Jesus IS the Word.

Really jammin jr?

Scripture must come right out and say it for you? If scripture doesn't come right out and say it, then how do you come to know that Jesus is the Word in Rev 19:13?

Nick, can John 1:1c be translated as “God”, or as “a god”?

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

The Glory was Jesus' father's passed down to Jesus then to us.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,18:10)

Hi Mike, The Glory was Jesus' father's passed down to Jesus then to us. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

scripture please;;Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,18:10)

Hi Mike, The Glory was Jesus' father's passed down to Jesus then to us. God bless

Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Your understanding does not align with scripture, Ed.

Nor does your post explain why the Holy Spirit, who you say IS God, would have the glory of God's Son, instead of the glory of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Still trying to divide the one Spirit?

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 11 2012,11:39)

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,18:10) Hi Mike, The Glory was Jesus' father's passed down to Jesus then to us. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj scripture please;;Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

PIERRE: you don't read my posts do you?

“And the glory which thou(Father) gavest me I have given them;
that they may be one, even as we are one” (John 17:22)

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)[/quote]

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2012,19:32)

Hi MB, Still trying to divide the one Spirit?

Nick, can John 1:1c be translated either as “the Word was God”, or as “the Word was a god”? YES or NO?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
if you are an expert then tell us.

[mikeboll64]

I'M not the expert. But the ones who ARE experts say “YES”. Do you concede this to be the truth of the matter? YES or NO?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Who are these experts?

[mikeboll64]

I won't play your games anymore, Nick.  I'm putting you on the Hot Seat.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Bullying is always your way.

[mikeboll64]

I've started the thread, Nick. You need to answer the question or receive a tile.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Are you a facilitator here?
Is this how you facilitate?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,19:39)

Quote (terraricca @ June 11 2012,11:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 11 2012,18:10) Hi Mike, The Glory was Jesus' father's passed down to Jesus then to us. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj scripture please;;Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. PIERRE: you don't read my posts do you? “And the glory which thou(Father) gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one” (John 17:22) the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com- pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org[/quote]
edj

Quote

Hi Mike, The Glory was Jesus' father's passed down to Jesus then to us.

it was not God that previously own the glory that was given to Christ ;

this is untrue ,read your scriptures

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2012,13:14)

I've started the thread, Nick.  You need to answer the question or receive a tile.

Mike,

Giving out free tiles? My bathroom floor needs one!

[Author]

Posts