Preexistence

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,13:16)

Hi MB, I concede that you are sincere and work very hard here.

Agreed!

I appreciate Mike here as well!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Do you both appreciate me enough to concede the fact of the matter concerning John 1:1c?

Because once you guys acknowledge the undeniable FACT that 1:1c can be translated as “God” OR as “a god”, then we can discuss which translation better aligns with the rest of scripture.

But it's hard to get into an in depth discussion like that when the other person just keeps insisting “The Word was God” over and over.

Yes, that IS one possible translation of 1:1c…………….. but is it the right one? Are you guys scared to find out if it's the right one? Is that why you can't bring yourselves to even acknowledge that “a god” is a grammatical possibility?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
How can you be unbiased in your view of “which aligns best”?
Your strongmindedness gets in the road.

[mikeboll64]

I don't suppose you'll ever find out, Nick. Because in order to find out, you'll have to first acknowledge that “a god” is even a possibility. And it seems you are too scared to acknowledge this undeniable FACT of Greek to English translation.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,17:51)

Hi MB, How can you be unbiased in your view of “which aligns best”? Your strongmindedness gets in the road.

Strange choice of words from a man who is too biased to acknowledge a simple but undeniable fact of translation.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You never seem to be interested in anything except changing the perceptions of others.
Tradition rules?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2012,10:43)

Do you both appreciate me enough to concede the fact of the matter concerning John 1:1c? Because once you guys acknowledge the undeniable FACT that 1:1c can be translated as “God” OR as “a god”, then we can discuss which translation better aligns with the rest of scripture. But it's hard to get into an in depth discussion like that when the other person just keeps insisting “The Word was God” over and over. Yes, that IS one possible translation of 1:1c…………….. but is it the right one?  Are you guys scared to find out if it's the right one?  Is that why you can't bring yourselves to even acknowledge that “a god” is a grammatical possibility?

Hi Mike,

I appreciate your dedication to God and efforts to do right,
but I cannot agree with your flawed understanding of Scripture.

Grammatically translating the bible to a false message is corruption!
Corruption is possible, those taking part in it will have to answer for it.
I'm sorry if you do not like my answers, but I do address your questions.

John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit: who is God, was God, and will always be God.
The HolySpirit was with God in the beginning and now resides in Christian believers.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,21:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2012,10:43) Do you both appreciate me enough to concede the fact of the matter concerning John 1:1c? Because once you guys acknowledge the undeniable FACT that 1:1c can be translated as “God” OR as “a god”, then we can discuss which translation better aligns with the rest of scripture. But it's hard to get into an in depth discussion like that when the other person just keeps insisting “The Word was God” over and over. Yes, that IS one possible translation of 1:1c…………….. but is it the right one?  Are you guys scared to find out if it's the right one?  Is that why you can't bring yourselves to even acknowledge that “a god” is a grammatical possibility? Hi Mike, I appreciate your dedication to God and efforts to do right, but I cannot agree with your flawed understanding of Scripture. Grammatically translating the bible to a false message is corruption! Corruption is possible, those taking part in it will have to answer for it. I'm sorry if you do not like my answers, but I do address your questions. John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit: who is God, was God, and will always be God. The HolySpirit was with God in the beginning and now resides in Christian believers. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

I feel you have drop down from good understanding to weak understanding ,

you see it is not US or you that establish who his God and his Son but it is both of them that would claim truth ,so let see what the scriptures says about who his God ?? Christ says he is his father ,; what do you thing he his EDDY

the Father ;God almighty says Christ his his SON ,his only begotten SON ,;who do you think he his EDDY

if we eliminate all others of those that was created tell me EDDY how many would their be ???

would it not be God almighty and his SON ??

if you say yes ;then now that s is exactly what Paul says in COLOssians ;;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,

this is right at the beginning wen God just created his only begotten son , right EDDY

so what you say ??

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

You need to look to god and forget the teachings of men.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
you say God created His only begotten son at the beginning?
Any scriptures?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,22:29)

Hi Pierre, You need to look to god and forget the teachings of men. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

eddy

this is not an answer because I quoted you the scripture;

so answer me with another scripture

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2012,22:31)

Hi T, you say God created His only begotten son at the beginning? Any scriptures?

N

read the scripture what does it say

was there another image before Christ ?

was the image always their yes -no

was NOT God at one point all alone ??

[Ed J]

PIERRE,

Answer what? …I didn't see any real question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,23:12)

PIERRE, Answer what?     …I didn't see any real question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDDY

are you start again to dance ?

[Ed J]

PIERRE,

Ask real questions, and I will surly answer them.      
…one question per post, for topical assurances.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 08 2012,16:13)

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,23:12) PIERRE, Answer what?     …I didn't see any real question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDDY are you  start again to dance ?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,18:10)

Quote (terraricca @ June 08 2012,16:13) Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,23:12) PIERRE, Answer what?     …I didn't see any real question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDDY are you  start again to dance ?

[Proclaimer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2012,13:24)

Quote (t8 @ June 06 2012,00:27) That is fine Mike. If a man cannot answer the question, then that usually demonstrates to all that he has a problem with his view and is too proud to admit it. Yeah t8, Frank does this all the time – as you well know.  He refers to not answering my questions as “owning me” for some reason.

Maybe in his own head he thinks he is superior or is the one who is right. But to me, avoidance means you are hiding something.

I respect an honest person who is able to answer any question even if it is, “I don't know”. Such a person is more likely to arrive at the truth in matters because their heart is good.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 07 2012,14:14)

Quote (t8 @ June 06 2012,17:27) That is fine Mike. If a man cannot answer the question, then that usually demonstrates to all that he has a problem with his view and is too proud to admit it. t8, What was the question?

Questionssssss.

God made the world through Jesus Christ did he not?

You disagree with scripture.

Try that one for a start.

And a copy and paste is not an answer. If you understand the truth you should be able to express that truth in a manner that a child could understand.

Thanks for asking what question.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2012,15:28)

Hi MB, You do not yet have the spiritual truth and show no interest in learning about it.

I disagree with your assessment here Nick.

I trust that Mike would believe the truth if you could clearly show it from scripture. Only a fool would disagree with scripture itself and I have not seen Mike do this yet.

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