Preexistence

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  • #297956
    NickHassan
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    Hi MB,
    You need to stay open to being taught from outside of the prison of your REASON.
    1Jn2

    #297958
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2012,10:51)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,13:31)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2012,04:21)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,10:53)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:03)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,09:47)
    Hi Mike, 1 Cor. 8:6 is the conclusion of the matter.

    But to us there is but one God, the Father,
    of whom are all things, and we in him;” (1 Corinthians 8:6)


    And there is but ONE Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM all things came.  

    Ed:
    1.  Is there LITERALLY only ONE lord in existence?  Nope.  So you are obviously understanding the ONE god part wrong as well.

    2.  How could all things have come through Jesus Christ if Jesus Christ didn't even exist until the spirit of the anointing “merged” with Jesus of Nazareth at the Jordan?


    Hi Mike,

    Mike, do you have more than one God?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    only one almighty God of all creation ,and then his son the god he made and created through and for whom all things were created ,

    God almighty can make out of anyone a god as he wishes just like he did with Moses ,

    do you  not believe scriptures ?????


    PIERRE,

    GOD didn't make Jesus into 'a god' or Moses either.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    Ex 4:16 He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him.

    this is the same with Christ


    Get a dictionary and look up “as if”.

    #297960
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,18:33)
    Hi MB,
    You need to stay open to being taught from outside of the prison of your REASON.
    1Jn2


    Hmmm…………..

    So you're saying that your doctrine has only “spiritual” support, and no scriptural support?  Against what do you test that “spiritual” support then?  And do you continue to believe that spirit when what he told you actually contradicts many scriptures?

    Nick, you have built a house on a foundation of shifting sand.  And while the rising waters wash it away, you stand yelling from the sinking porch, “But my house was built with spiritual support!  How can this be happening?”

    #297961
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,18:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2012,10:51)

    edj

    Ex 4:16 He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him.

    this is the same with Christ


    Get a dictionary and look up “as if”.


    The words “as if” are not in the Hebrew, Ed.

    The Hebrew says “he become mouth, you become god”.

    Just so you know.

    #297964
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    No you seem to misquote me.
    Test all things and hold fast to what is good.
    But testing by REASON alone is an amateurish approach

    #297973
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,12:12)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,18:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2012,10:51)

    edj

    Ex 4:16 He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him.

    this is the same with Christ


    Get a dictionary and look up “as if”.


    The words “as if” are not in the Hebrew, Ed.

    The Hebrew says “he become mouth, you become god“.

    Just so you know.


    Hi Mike,

    Thank you, but I will NOT become GOD; and neither has Moses or Jesus.
    “And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be,
    even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou
    shalt be to him instead of God.” (Exodus 4:16)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #298020
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,20:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,12:12)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,18:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2012,10:51)

    edj

    Ex 4:16 He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him.

    this is the same with Christ


    Get a dictionary and look up “as if”.


    The words “as if” are not in the Hebrew, Ed.

    The Hebrew says “he become mouth, you become god“.

    Just so you know.


    Hi Mike,

    Thank you, but I will NOT become GOD; and neither has Moses or Jesus.
    “And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be,
    even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou
    shalt be to him instead of God.” (Exodus 4:16)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    it seems you would not understand it even if I explain it to you ,

    may be J42 can explain it to you

    all that his is by by Gods permission

    #298021
    Ed J
    Participant

    PIERRE, you mean
    your attempts to override…

    “Ye are even my witnesses.
    Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
    there is 'no God'; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)

    Rudimentary logic does not override Scripture.
    Your understanding must instead conform to it!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #298045
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,23:40)
    PIERRE, you mean
    your attempts to override…

    “Ye are even my witnesses.
    Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
    there is 'no God'; I know not any. (Isa 44:8)

    Rudimentary logic does not override Scripture.
    Your understanding must instead conform to it!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    NO ,I do not over ride ;their is only ONE GOD like Jehovah ,and that is over all things ,that gives live to all things,

    but this does not mean that their are no leaser gods 'with reduced power like THE WORD OF GOD CALLED JESUS CHRIST CALLED THE SON OF GOD,

    their are many presidents in the USA but only one is from the USA Government ,General Motors as a president,so is FORD motors,and General Electric and thousands others

    you inability so see truth is not of my doing :D

    #298050
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Exactly.
    There are no lesser gods that compare with our God.

    The rest are so called gods[1cor 10]

    #298063
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    While I agree with your first line, Nick, I will remind you that there is no such phrase as “so-called god” in the entire scriptures. Nor is any “false god” ever mentioned.

    #298066
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi mb,
    1Cor8
    “Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are SO-CALLED gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.”

    #298068
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,11:58)
    Hi T,
    Exactly.
    There are no lesser gods that compare with our God.

    The rest are so called gods[1cor 10]


    N

    Jn 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
    Jn 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’ ?
    Jn 10:35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—
    Jn 10:36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

    #298072
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,
    Jammin thinks God is just a nature.
    The Jews somehow thought the Son of God was God.
    In fact anyone to whom the WORD comes from God can be called a god as you show.

    #298077
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,17:23)
    5 For even if there are SO-CALLED gods whether in heaven or on earth,


    The Greek says “those called gods“, not “so-called gods”.

    #298079
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    So they are CALLED gods.

    #298080
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,17:32)
    The Jews somehow thought the Son of God was God.


    The Jews thought that Jesus was claiming to be a god by claiming to be the literal son of the God. They didn't think he was claiming to be Jehovah.

    #298081
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,17:40)
    Hi MB,
    So they are CALLED gods.


    Yes Nick,

    As Jehovah is called a god.

    #298083
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    So down among the others to you?

    #298084
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2012,17:32)
    Hi T,
    Jammin thinks God is just a nature.
    The Jews somehow thought the Son of God was God.
    In fact anyone to whom the WORD comes from God can be called a god as you show.


    N

    Quote
    The Jews somehow thought the Son of God was God.

    this is untrue to scriptures ;the Jews were after Christ because he called himself SON OF GOD

    Jn 10:36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

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