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[david]

Heb (messiah)  Gk (Christ)  Both mean: “anointed one.”

Dan 9:24-27 pinpoints when “messiah” would appear (and also be cut off, in death)

Luke 3:15:  The Jews were in “expectation” of the Christ, right around the time Jesus was baptized. (Luke 3:21,22)

How did the Jews know that the Christ was to appear around that time?  They read Dan 9.  

Why were they in expectation around the time of Jesus baptism and not at his birth?  Because Dan 9 pointed to that time when the Christ would appear, not to the time of Jesus' birth.

Jesus became the “anointed one” (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit at his baptism.  (See Luke 3:21,22)

This is why, for me, it seems that he became anointed at that time and not his birth.  This seems how the Jews understood it and they were right to be in “expectation” of the Christ at that time, because later in that chapter, we see Jesus is being anointed with holy spirit.

“After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him.” (Mat 3:16)

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor….” (luke 4:19)

God anointed his son with his holy spirit.  Matthew, mark, Luke say that the holy spirit or God's spirit came down upon Jesus.  Jesus was baptized with holy spirit, thus becoming the Christ (anointed one.)

Thoughts?

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Mar. 13 2012,00:31)

Heb (messiah)  Gk (Christ)  Both mean: “anointed one.” Dan 9:24-27 pinpoints when “messiah” would appear (and also be cut off, in death) Luke 3:15:  The Jews were in “expectation” of the Christ, right around the time Jesus was baptized. (Luke 3:21,22) How did the Jews know that the Christ was to appear around that time?  They read Dan 9.   Why were they in expectation around the time of Jesus baptism and not at his birth?  Because Dan 9 pointed to that time when the Christ would appear, not to the time of Jesus' birth. Jesus became the “anointed one” (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit at his baptism.  (See Luke 3:21,22) This is why, for me, it seems that he became anointed at that time and not his birth.  This seems how the Jews understood it and they were right to be in “expectation” of the Christ at that time, because later in that chapter, we see Jesus is being anointed with holy spirit. “After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him.” (Mat 3:16) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor….” (luke 4:19) God anointed his son with his holy spirit.  Matthew, mark, Luke say that the holy spirit or God's spirit came down upon Jesus.  Jesus was baptized with holy spirit, thus becoming the Christ (anointed one.) Thoughts?

David

Yes very good ,

[david]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2012,06:13)

Quote (david @ Mar. 11 2012,12:22) My thoughts are that “Christ” means “annointed one.”  When was he annointed?  I take this to mean annointed with holy spirit?  but what do I know.  I almost always spell annointed wrong. david. David every buddy talks about the anointment of Jesus,but I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WAS ANOINTED WEN HE WAS ABOUT 30 YEARS OLD ?? WHY NOT LATER,OR EARLIER ??

I have to wonder; If anyone thinks he was 'anointed' when he was a child or when he was born, when was this?

[terraricca]

David

That is only Catholics an orthodox that baptise child's what I suppose to be an annointment ??

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No the Spirit of Christ.

[terraricca]

Quote (david @ Mar. 13 2012,00:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2012,06:13) Quote (david @ Mar. 11 2012,12:22) My thoughts are that “Christ” means “annointed one.”  When was he annointed?  I take this to mean annointed with holy spirit?  but what do I know.  I almost always spell annointed wrong. david. David every buddy talks about the anointment of Jesus,but I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY WAS ANOINTED WEN HE WAS ABOUT 30 YEARS OLD ?? WHY NOT LATER,OR EARLIER ?? I have to wonder; If anyone thinks he was 'anointed' when he was a child or when he was born, when was this?

david

if Christ his the word of God ,then he was ordained before even coming to earth ,

I do believe that, the word of God ,his Christ

[NickHassan]

Yes t,.
But not one with the flesh vessel Jesus till the Jordan.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,13:04)

Yes t,. But not one with the flesh vessel Jesus till the Jordan.

N

this believe of yours is because you are killing Gods words and so make him a liar ,

i do believe that all scriptures are true and so say the truth ,

[NickHassan]

Yes T,
They are all true but to unlock the meanings you need the key of the Spirit.
1Cor2 10-14

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,13:28)

Yes T, They are all true but to unlock the meanings you need the key of the Spirit. 1Cor2 10-14

N

the true key is this ;;1Co 2:9 However, as it is written:
“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who LOVE him”—

do you LOVE God ? if so why do you not believe him in his words,???

1Co 2:10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

if you seek the deep understanding of God ,it is not by adding your own understanding that you will reach truth of God ,

give respect to God and glory and honor so that you have none and then try again to come close to God so you may have understanding,

you have not unlocked God s understanding ,you just merely quoting scriptures with your own interpretation ,

this is not what Paul says in verse 10

verse 9 tells you to whom he gives the understanding ;read it ; those who LOVE him” if you love him then you would let him guide you and you not guide him ,right ?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
It seems that you are not ready to teach yet.
All you see is negative things and you cannot move forward.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,13:49)

Hi T, It seems that you are not ready to teach yet. All you see is negative things and you cannot move forward.

N

I have stopped my religion indoctrination 40 years ago it seemes to me you have never done anything else but religion,

the truth is found in scriptures providing we do not add or subtract of our own ,wen we use it ,

you still talking about the flesh wen you add and subtract you are playing God and judge the words of his

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Can you be helped?

The Word was with God
Jesus became the Word of God.

Now we no longer think of him according to the flesh[2Cor5]

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,14:04)

Hi T, Can you be helped? The Word was with God Jesus became the Word of God. Now we no longer think of him according to the flesh[2Cor5]

N

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.

READ IT CLEAR AND LOUD “” In him was life, and that life was the light of men”  THIS IS TALKING ABOUT “THE WORD OF GOD ”
NOT THE WORDS OF GOD ,
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
IF YOU CAN NOT SEE IT IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD ,THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD BUT THE SPIRIT OF MEN OF FLESH,

[NickHassan]

Yes t,
the SPIRIT of Christ

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,15:40)

Yes t, the SPIRIT of Christ

N

you are suffering but it is something I can not fix it as to be by God ,so in the mean time you will be blind until you see again then we will talk,

[Proclaimer]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 12 2012,16:03)

You say that Jesus was returning to his former glory.  Was he then already exalted to his position as head of the church prior to becoming a man and completing his ministry here on earth? Love in Christ, Marty

Is it not easy to understand that returning to one's former glory does not negate other or new positions and authority.

I would say that even prior to him coming here, while he was in that glory that he had with the Father,  that it was not a static glory.

[Proclaimer]

Nick you seem to teach that Jesus had no past, but the Word did and then the two combined as one. At least I think this is what you are saying.

Ask yourself this, when did Jesus become the son of God?

Because God created the cosmos through the son of God.
It is written that way and we have no choice but to concur.

“His Son is the one through whom God made the universe.”

[mikeboll64]

Quote (david @ Mar. 12 2012,00:31)

Thoughts?

Luke 2
11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.
The angel didn't say, “He WILL BE Christ the Lord”.

Luke 2
25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
  you now dismiss your servant in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles
  and for glory to your people Israel.”

How could God have kept His promise to Simeon 30 years prior to Jesus BECOMING the Christ?  God promised he would see His Christ, and Simeon thanked God for keeping that promise – when Jesus was but 8 days old.

1 Samuel 10
1 Then Samuel took a flask of oil and poured it on Saul’s head and kissed him, saying, “Has not the LORD anointed you leader over his inheritance?

10 When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying.

It seems that God anointed Saul with Holy Spirit AFTER he was already God's anointed one.

These are my thoughts, David.  What say you?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 11 2012,20:03)

1. You say that Jesus was returning to his former glory. 2. Was he then already exalted to his position as head of the church prior to becoming a man and completing his ministry here on earth?

1. Yes, that's what the words “the glory I had” indicate.

2. No, because the church of Christ didn't yet exist.

Marty, remember that Jesus asked to be returned to his former glory, but that's not what happened. God exalted him even higher than he was before, for he BECAME as superior to the angels as the name he INHERITED was superior to theirs.

His former glory also did not include being the sacrificial Lamb of God, because that hadn't yet happened before the world began. I'm sure there are many more differences between his past and present glory – I just can't think right now.

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