Preexistence

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 10 2012,15:52)

Jesus was right when he said to the Pharisees “But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going”.

Our current day Pharisees differ from the Pharisees of old in that they do know where Jesus was going.  They accept that he is now at the right hand of his God in heaven.

Why they can't put two and two together and decypher that the “where I came FROM” is the same place as the “where I'm GOING” is beyond me.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2012,16:06)

Hi T8, You mean Jesus CHRIST?

Yes Nick,

Men with personal agendas, who have a feeling of increased empowerment if they can convince themselves that Jesus was no more than the rest of us, try hard to make a distinction between “Jesus”, “Jesus Christ”, and “the Word of God”.

Scripturally, no such distinction exists.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You think the ANOINTING at the Jordan was not life changing?
Would you highlight the flesh??

[942767]

Hi t8:

Yes we can agree on the following:

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I think we can all agree where he is now. That is, in the glory of God, at his right hand side, and also seated with the Father on his throne.

But this position of glory at the right hand of the Father was forseen from the beginning, and therefore, in this sense he had this glory with the Father in the beginning. The scripture does not state that he is returning to a former glory.

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Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
“Foreseen” is not prophecy.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2012,19:18)

Hi MB, You think the ANOINTING at the Jordan was not life changing? Would you highlight the flesh??

I would highlight the one who was BORN Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 10 2012,19:22)

But this position of glory at the right hand of the Father was forseen from the beginning, and therefore, in this sense he had this glory with the Father in the beginning. The scripture does not state that he is returning to a former glory.

Marty,

The words “the glory I HAD” are a good indicator that Jesus was talking about returning to a former glory. In fact, those words can't sensibly indicate anything else.

[NickHassan]

Hi Mb,
The flesh offers nothing.
The Spirit is everything.

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,13:57)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 10 2012,19:22) But this position of glory at the right hand of the Father was forseen from the beginning, and therefore, in this sense he had this glory with the Father in the beginning.  The scripture does not state that he is returning to a former glory. Marty, The words “the glory I HAD” are a good indicator that Jesus was talking about returning to a former glory.  In fact, those words can't sensibly indicate anything else.

Hi Mike:

Did you read John 17:24?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You mean Jesus CHRIST?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Your desperate grasp on being SENSIBLE stops you from hearing what is spiritual.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,13:26)

Hi 94, “Foreseen” is not prophecy.

How about foreordained?

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1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Again it speaks of the future as a plan.
God speaks of the past as far as the Word being with Him IN THE BEGINNING

[942767]

Hi Nick:

The role of the Holy Spirit of God is to testify concerning His Only Begotten Son and His Christ:

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Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The seed of the woman? Was this not forseen?

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Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,21:01)

Hi MB, Your desperate grasp on being SENSIBLE stops you from hearing what is spiritual.

N

coming from you I would trust you to much with all your funny ideas.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,14:06)

Hi 94, Again it speaks of the future as a plan. God speaks of the past as far as the Word being with Him IN THE BEGINNING

Hi Nick:

If you were going to build a house, you not start with a plan. Jesus was not a plan, but he was planned. Of course, what God would speak to humanity through him was in the heart of the Father, but that is not what became flesh in John 1:14.

God did not indwell him until he was baptized in the river Jordan, and in Hebrews, we have this scripture:

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Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,13:06)

Hi T8, You mean Jesus CHRIST?

Jesus.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus the Christ.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

“Are you Jesus of Nazareth” he was asked.
“I am”, he answered.

All the same person.

“What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are–the Holy One of God!”

[NickHassan]

Hi t8,
The point is that all he did and spoke that was extraordinary was of the Spirit.
The flesh contributes nothing [Jn6]…. to the work of God.

Yet men give all the glory to the flesh.

“..we have known Christ after the flesh; yet now henceforth we know him no more”
2Cor 5.16

[NickHassan]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 11 2012,14:17)

Hi Nick: The role of the Holy Spirit of God is to testify concerning His Only Begotten Son and His Christ: Quote Jhn 16:13   Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   The seed of the woman?  Was this not forseen? Quote Gen 3:15   And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.   Love in Christ, Marty

Hi 94,
God knows the future.
But that does not make the past into the future

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,20:47)

Hi t8, The point is that all he did and spoke that was extraordinary was of the Spirit. The flesh contributes nothing [Jn6]…. to the work of God. Yet men give all the glory to the flesh.   “..we have known Christ after the flesh; yet now henceforth we know him no more” 2Cor 5.16

Jesus is not the flesh, who is giving his flesh the glory?
Jesus came in the flesh. Not Jesus is the flesh.

I am confused about your point.

Are you saying that Jesus Christ comprises of Jesus/flesh and Spirit or Word of God inside?

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