Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Hi T
No

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,13:30)

Hi, This whole PERSONS theory still bedevils the understanding of many. Though they may not believe in a triune god they still hold to similar theology. God and His angels were the population of heaven and now Jesus CHRIST has joined them.

n

NO JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, AS RETURN TO WERE HE CAME FROM ,READ THE SCRIPTURES

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You may never understand.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,13:47)

Hi T, You may never understand.

N

say that to your self ,it is you that change the meaning of the scriptures not me,

you are the one that make your opinion above Gods word not me

you will have to live with your opinions and pay the price their of

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Indeed Jesus Christ was proclaimed by God Himself as His Son at the Jordan.
We can follow him into the same sonship.. in him.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,14:31)

Hi T, Indeed Jesus Christ was proclaimed by God Himself as His Son at the Jordan. We can follow him into the same sonship.. in him.

N

he was the first of Gods creation ,he always was and will be the first and so the only begotten son of God ,

all other creation done by God were done through Christ

read ;COL 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
COL 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible

why is it you do not believe are you a scribe or a pharisees

they did not believe the scriptures neither

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
First to be born from above of the Spirit of Christ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:55)

Hi MB, Yes he saw the one prophesised to be the anointed one. The anointing had yet to fall.

Show me the SCRIPTURE that says that, Nick.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:56)

Hi MB, Spirit's mouth? Call in the medicos.

Why do you address that to me, Nick?

Ed is the one saying the spirit proceeds from the mouth of the spirit, not me.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,19:05)

Simon most assuredly was aware of the prophecy concerning Jesus. And he thanked YHVH that he had seen his salvation.

No Ed,

Simeon thanked God for letting him see His CHRIST. Simeon couldn't have SEEN God's Christ unless Jesus was the Christ at 8 days old.

Scripture, boys – not imagination and wishful thinking – okay?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,19:38)

Hi T, God is not a God of confusion.. But confusion seems to follow you

Says the man who thinks God has two opposing wills.  

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,15:09)

Hi T, First to be born from above of the Spirit of Christ

N

where is it in those scriptures that says or even make allusion to what you say,

how can you obtain respect from God as being a truthful witness of his word if you do not tell it the way it is as he say it his ?

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

It is your own flawed logic and human thinking that is leading you to write your own version of scriptures.

You are the one always putting logic down, right? Then don't think – just believe…………………..

Jesus said, “I came down from heaven.”

Again, DON'T think – just BELIEVE.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Not searching for respect just truth.
Rev 1.5
Col 1.18
Rom 8.29
Heb 12.23

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,14:31)

Hi T, Indeed Jesus Christ was proclaimed by God Himself as His Son at the Jordan. We can follow him into the same sonship.. in him.

N

Paul says in Col 1;14-18 that Christ was in heaven because ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM FOR HIM EVEN THE THINGS INVISIBLE AND VISIBLE ,HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN IF HE WAS JUST A MAN BORN 2000 YEARS AGO

THIS IS MISLEADING IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT'S OK,BUT THERE IS NO REASON WHY, GIVE OPINIONS THAT ARE NOT IN SCRIPTURES.

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Indeed Jesus Christ was proclaimed by God Himself as His Son at the Jordan.

STRANGE YOU BELIEVE WHAT THIS WITNESS AD SAID BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE HIM WEN HE SAYS;;

Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’

AND THE SAME DISCIPLE THAT TELL THE STORY ,ALSO SAYS ;

Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

AND YOU HAVE TWO WITNESS BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE EITHER OF THEM,RIGHT

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The Word was with God.
The Word was before John though John was born earlier.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,17:28)

Hi T, The Word was with God. The Word was before John though John was born earlier.

N

you are limited to say the least ,one page of scriptures and only address one item ,I would not want to be in your class

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
It is better when two can walk together without dissension.
Have you ever stopped complaining?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 08 2012,01:07)

Mike.. Why are you (With everyone else) so pre-occupied with this pre-existance business? Jesus exists now. Why dwell on whats been?

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Shimmer, if Jesus himself said the words, I came down from heaven, then I take in that knowledge of him.

Shouldn't you do the same?  I don't want to someday say “Lord, Lord”, and hear in reply, “Away from me.  I never knew you.”

If a person can't even believe the words of the one they call their Lord, then what good are they to him?  For he also said,
The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Spirit and Life, Shimmer.  And some of those words were I came down from heaven.

Either believe your Lord or don't.

Anyway, t8 addressed your point very well, IMO. I concur with his words.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,17:52)

Hi T, It is better when two can walk together without dissension. Have you ever stopped complaining?

N

you do not walk you lean on the other and make him believe that it is him that lean on you,

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