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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2012,20:35) Shimmer, I also think that the day is coming when many will understand the truth about the Trinity Doctrine. What will the result of that be?
One thing I can say now is that if we do not challenge false doctrine now and let it establish itself, then we allow a new great evil doctrine to take its place. Ask any gardener. If you pull out a great weed, and then do not replace it with a plant, a new weed will take its place.
And as the saying goes, “evil prevails when good people do nothing”.
I would feel partially responsible if I were to do nothing and let a false doctrine be the reward for those who were to come out from the deception of the Trinity Doctrine.
The body of Christ needs leaders who stand up for truth, not half-hearted people who think whatever.
That is how I see it.
I agree with that.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2012,20:28) Shimmer. I think it is really about what Jesus said about himself.
He said, “my sheep hear my voice” and he also said, “before Abraham, I am”.
In English when we say, “I think therefore I am”, to means that because I think, I exist.
It can be used that way in Greek too.I think the greater issue at hand is whether we actually believe Jesus own testimony and whether we are the sheep who hear his voice.
Saying it doesn't matter is like saying, what does it matter if God is triune or not.
I think it matters because the doctrine of Christ matters.
Matters of doctrine are important and Paul himself said, ” He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it”.
As I have said earlier, Christ is a mystery but even within that mystery, we are told certain things. I am not for filling in the gaps ourselves, but I am definately against anyone teaching or doctrine that goes against Jesus own words.
Best to stick with what he and the Apostles said about himself than deny what was said IMO.
I think the main problem is when we have to ASK or SEARCH – WHY should we need to – with something so simple!What makes us doubt the obvious??
When our ears are turned away from what truths people are saying (And what we had been shown) – to hear what another group are saying, for personal reasons MAYBE.
“You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life”.
“I do not receive glory from men”.
“How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?”
Hi t8,
Weeds cannot produce useful fruit.
Even weeds are to be left in the master's field till the harvest.
But the intellectual and theological weeds that destroy faith and substitute false knowledge cause havoc.I have a question for all NON Pre-Existancers…
WHEN did you FIRST start to doubt that the Son came down from Above?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,21:58) Hi T8,
Is it true doctrine to teach that a godly being lived in heaven and was sent to earth?
It is true doctrine to believe that he existed in the form of God (existed with God's nature), emptied himself, came in the flesh, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.Saying that Jesus started life as a man by being created about 2000 years ago, then dying for our sin, and is not in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began is to say the opposite of the truth. Besides this doctrine not being mentioned in scripture, it also opposes that which is written.
We either believe what is written or we do not.
I choose to believe it simply because it is written.
I have no other reason for believing it.
I don't make money from believing it.If we deny scripture then we are wrong. Simple as that.
The easiest way for a man to deny that which is written is to fill his head and heart with an opposing doctrine. This helps combat the conscience because a fundamental belief can almost overide anything including logic, reason, scripture, and revelation.
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 08 2012,22:15) I have a question for all NON Pre-Existancers… WHEN did you FIRST start to doubt that the Son came down from Above?
I bet a few would answer, “when I read Anthony Buzzard”.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2012,22:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,21:58) Hi T8,
Is it true doctrine to teach that a godly being lived in heaven and was sent to earth?
It is true doctrine to believe that he existed in the form of God (existed with God's nature), emptied himself, came in the flesh, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.Saying that Jesus started life as a man by being created about 2000 years ago, then dying for our sin, and is not in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began is to say the opposite of the truth. Besides this doctrine not being mentioned in scripture, it also opposes that which is written.
We either believe what is written or we do not.
I choose to believe it simply because it is written.
I have no other reason for believing it.
I don't make money from believing it.If we deny scripture then we are wrong. Simple as that.
The easiest way for a man to deny that which is written is to fill his head and heart with an opposing doctrine. This helps combat the conscience because a fundamental belief can almost overide anything including logic, reason, scripture, and revelation.
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
OK, so what about people who agree with you and even state it just like you – who add OTHER strange Doctrines (and behaviour) to that truth?How does that make you feel?
T8………..Have you ever thought it would be against the Law of God to Morph anything other then a Pure human being and accept his sacrifice for our sins in the first place. Not to mention it would be deceptive on his part to do that. The law of God say that it must be a KINSMEN REDEEMER A preexisting morphed angel could not qualify for a KINSMEN REDEEMER . We are also told sense sin entered by man , by man sin it atoned for. Jesus had to be a 100% pure human being to qualify for that position.
This concept of separating Jesus from our exact identity as a son of MAN , both destroys the works of God (IN) Mankind and works to separate Jesus form us human beings making him something different then we are. Man is the Jewel of GOD creation and it is Man that he has given to inherit all things and put them all under him.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Hi GB,
Man is so vain that he would imagine he is the jewel of creation?
No the mercy of God chose to share His love with the most pathetic bunch of losers ever created.Hi t8,
You say
“Saying that Jesus started life as a man by being created about 2000 years ago, then dying for our sin, and is not in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began is to say the opposite of the truth. Besides this doctrine not being mentioned in scripture, it also opposes that which is written.”Jesus is THE CHRIST.
You missed the most important part.
The man could do nothing except obey God's Law and remain clean.
It was his anointing that made his work possible and all that is written about his prior life is the history of that anointing.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,01:51) Hi T,
Faith comes by hearing and by hearing the Word of God.
The Word of God is alive and active … piercing to the division between soul and spirit.
What is preached must be THE gospel, the written empowered sword of the Spirit and the seed of true faith.Men can accumulate knowledge and never grow faith.
Ntrue faith in the true God and his son ,goes with true knowledge,
the love for them brings joy and more understanding
just remember in the days of Christ they did not have printing machines,computers,and not all could read and write,
Hi T,
True faith is a gift and every man is given a measure.
But that is to foster obedience to what is preached.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,11:25) Hi T,
True faith is a gift and every man is given a measure.
But that is to foster obedience to what is preached.
Ndid you ever were in love ?? I did I marry her I was young and did not know much but my love for her did tell me many things ,so I let it guide me and so make her happy,
the same is wen you LOVE God and be a good listener and believe that He also has Loved you before you loved him,this love of understanding will bring in you the best help to see the truth in his written word to you,
if you feel that the words that are written are not for you then you will not understand because the LOVE is not their ,
just like Marriage if their is no LOVE it will not stand in time ,
got it
?Hi T,
God is love.
His love is conditional though.
He loved the word so much that He sent His Son.
Those who listen and obey will not perish but live forever with HimQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,11:54) Hi T,
God is love.
His love is conditional though.
He loved the word so much that He sent His Son.
Those who listen and obey will not perish but live forever with Him
NGod is love
?????? what that mean Hi,
This whole PERSONS theory still bedevils the understanding of many.
Though they may not believe in a triune god they still hold to similar theology.
God and His angels were the population of heaven and now Jesus CHRIST has joined them.
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