Preexistence

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,17:51)

Hi MB, Does the Holy Spirit of God help us pray to God? How could this be? Rom8

Why not? Can I pick up a child struggling in a swimming pool with my arm? If I can use a part of me to help another, why not God?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You mean Jesus CHRIST?
Without the anointing he could do nothing.

Jesus CHRIST is the same yesterday, today and forever.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:30)

Hi, If the Spirit of God prays to God……………

What scripture is that?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Exactly.
The Word was with God

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:32)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:30) Hi, If the Spirit of God prays to God…………… What scripture is that?

Hi MB
Rom8 26-27

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:31)

Hi MB, You mean Jesus CHRIST?

Yes,

I refer to the one who was born Christ, Savior, Lord, and King of the Jews.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Seems odd does it not that miracles were not seen from the manger but only after his anointing at the Jordan?
Understand prophecy.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:29)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,17:48) Hi MB, You have a fine imagination. Where did anyone call you an expert? What imagination, Nick?   We know the Word of God in Rev 19 is Jesus.  We know that all things were created through Jesus.   So when we read that all things were likewise created through the Word of God who was with God in the beginning, it's not too far of a leap in imagination. Then, when we read that this Word of God through whom all things were created became flesh and had the glory of God's only begotten, the leap becomes a step. Then, when Jesus tells us how God sent him down from heaven, and how he had glory alongside God before the world began, there's not even a step to make anymore. Nick, these are just a few of the many scriptures that all support one another on this point.  We've listed over 50 of them on a thread called “Pre-existent Scripture Database” if you're interested.

Hi Mike,

All things were created by the Spirit of God, called “The Word of God”.

                      “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”!    
                        And “HolySpirit” is HE and I !                
                 
Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood.
Isaiah 63:3 Their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments

Revelation 19:15 He treadeth the winepress
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone

Rev.19:13 His name is called The Word of God.
Isaiah 63:11 He that put His HolySpirit within

                     But they rebelled, and vexed
                     his HolySpirit: therefore he
                     was turned to be their enemy,
                     and he fought against them.

Isaiah 63:10 I will tread down the people in mine anger  
          …and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
Revelation 19:15 Out of His mouth goeth (The Word) a sharp sword,
                              that with it He should smite the nations.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:33)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:30) Hi, If the Spirit of God prays to God…………… What scripture is that? Hi MB Rom8 26-27

Hmmmm…………… the spirit intercedes for us.  Jesus intercedes for us.  The Lord is the spirit.

Is there a reason you believe that verse speaks of God's Holy Spirit, and not our spirit Lord?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,11:30)

Hi, If the Spirit of God prays to God why would it be surprising that the Word could be of that Spirit?

Hi Nick, they have trouble seeing what the bible teaches.

“The Word”  →  “The Spirit”  →  “The Word”

“his name is called The Word of God” (Rev 19:13)                      …“The Word”
“out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword” (Revelation 19:15)                  …“The Spirit”
“the sword of the Spirit, which is “The Word” of God” (Eph 6:17)          …“The Word”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:36)

Hi MB, Seems odd does it not that miracles were not seen from the manger but only after his anointing at the Jordan? Understand prophecy.

Seems odd that you would not believe that God granted Simeon's request to see His Christ before he died.

Seems odd that many people would come from far away to bring gifts and do obeisance to a “nobody”.

Understand what the scriptures clearly say, Nick.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,18:39)

“his name is called The Word of God” (Rev 19:13) …“The Word” “out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword” (Revelation 19:15) …“The Spirit”

So the Spirit is the sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Spirit?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:41)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:36) Hi MB, Seems odd does it not that miracles were not seen from the manger but only after his anointing at the Jordan? Understand prophecy. Seems odd that you would not believe that God granted Simeon's request to see His Christ before he died. Seems odd that many people would come from far away to bring gifts and do obeisance to a “nobody”. Understand what the scriptures clearly say, Nick.

Hi Mike, Nick is right, here is a verse you may have overlooked…

Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God,
who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

I'm very aware of that verse, Ed. Tell me, does that verse mean that EVERY SINGLE WORD said in scripture is a prophecy? YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Luke 2
25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
  you now dismiss your servant in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles
  and for glory to your people Israel.”

Ed, did God allow Simeon to see His Christ?  YES or NO?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,18:39) “his name is called The Word of God” (Rev 19:13)                      …“The Word” “out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword” (Revelation 19:15)                  …“The Spirit” So the Spirit is the sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Spirit?

Hi Mike,

Matt 4:4 But Jesus answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
“the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:39)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:30) Hi, If the Spirit of God prays to God…………… What scripture is that? Hi MB Rom8 26-27 Hmmmm…………… the spirit intercedes for us.  Jesus intercedes for us.  The Lord is the spirit. Is there a reason you believe that verse speaks of God's Holy Spirit, and not our spirit Lord?

Hi MB,
Our own spirit intercedes for us??
That is a new one.

[mikeboll64]

So the Spirit proceeds from it's OWN mouth?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,18:30) Hi, If the Spirit of God prays to God…………… What scripture is that? Hi MB Rom8 26-27 Hmmmm…………… the spirit intercedes for us.  Jesus intercedes for us.  The Lord is the spirit. Is there a reason you believe that verse speaks of God's Holy Spirit, and not our spirit Lord? Hi MB, Our own spirit intercedes for us?? That is a new one.

What are you talking about, Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Yes he saw the one prophesised to be the anointed one.
The anointing had yet to fall.

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