Preexistence

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,06:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,19:17) My finger is me. My finger is not me, myself, and I. The word “myself” implies the entirety of myself. Me, myself, and I all mean the same thing, Ed.  All of those words refer to the whole being of you. And I can't help it that YOU have it in your head that humans are the only “persons”. Anyone or anything that can have its own personality is a person.  Think it out.

Hi Mike,

I didn't say you couldn't use the word person.
But only that it may confuse others into
believing you believe in the trinity;
saying God is three “Persons”.

The word “entity” offers no such confusion in this matter.
Perhaps you NOW understand what I have been saying?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Hi.

When you have felt Gods love, the question is 'What is the WORD for this love?'

¶ THE WORD was in the beginning, and THAT VERY WORD was with God, and GOD WAS THAT WORD.
The same was in the beginning with God.
Everything came to be by his hand; and without him not even one thing that was created came to be.

Can you not say that God created this world through Love?

Just a thought that's all.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,16:40)

I didn't say you couldn't use the word person. But only that it may confuse others into believing you believe in the trinity; saying God is three “Persons”.

I'll take my chances that people are LOGICAL and WISE enough to know the difference between “God is A person”, and “God is THREE persons”.

Of course, Nick doesn't believe in using his God-given logic, so he might be confused.

Thanks for the heads up.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Contempt sits poorly on the tongue of a christian man.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,15:09)

Hi T, Greek wisdom is not divine wisdom. Acts 17

N

i did not say that

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 07 2012,16:55)

THE WORD was in the beginning, and THAT VERY WORD was with God, and GOD WAS THAT WORD.

You're capping the wrong words, Shimmer.

that very Word was WITH God

God cannot possibly be WITH God.  So if the Word truly WAS God, then he couldn't have been WITH God.

Come on, people.  The following is from 25 TRINITARIAN scholars, who would like nothing more than to have John 1:1 say the Word truly WAS God:
The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)

Why can some people understand this and others can't?

Shimmer, when you showed me Luke 24:37, I didn't even hesitate.  I knew right then that my original belief that Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit being was AGAINST the actual scriptures.  I don't understand how so many people can keep accepting that our ONE God can be WITH Himself, just because they have become accustomed to “and the Word was God”.  

It simply baffles me.  If someone is shown that their understanding is unscriptural, they should IMMEDIATELY adjust that understanding.  I have on a number of occasions.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You say
“God cannot possibly be WITH God. So if the Word truly WAS God, then he couldn't have been WITH God.”

But if it refers to the WORD of God?
God is Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,10:29)

Hi MB, You say “God cannot possibly be WITH God.  So if the Word truly WAS God, then he couldn't have been WITH God.” But if it refers to the WORD of God? God is Spirit.

Hi Nick,

“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” (1Cor.2:11)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

The word OF should tell you that this Word is not God Himself, but a POSSESSION OF Him.  And if it is a possession OF God, then it is not “God”, but a possession OF Him.

The Spirit of God has been described in scripture as “the finger of God”, right? So how's this:

In the beginning was the finger, and the finger was with God, and the finger was God.

Is the finger actually ALL OF God? Or is the finger a PART OF God?

[NickHassan]

Hiu MB,
Worldly wisdom has some place
so long as you remember God has hidden from the wise and clever what is revealed to mere children.

Expertise is a huge barrier.

1Cor 1

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

Are you under the impression that the Word of God in Rev 19 is God Himself?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Where
Do you POSSESS your fingers?
How odd.

Does God say His Spirit is His Possession?
You are only a half step away from the trinity PERSON folly

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,17:43)

Hiu MB, Worldly wisdom has some place so long as you remember God has hidden from the wise and clever what is revealed to mere children. Expertise is a huge barrier. 1Cor 1

Translation: Mike, YOUR understanding makes perfectly logical sense and mine doesn't. So all I have left is to pretend that I'm more spiritual than you and have been shown things by God that He's not willing to show you.

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

Does God have two opposing wills? YES or NO?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You have a fine imagination.
Where did anyone call you an expert?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Does scripture answer your question?
If not what do you THINK?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Does the Holy Spirit of God help us pray to God?
How could this be?

Rom8

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2012,10:37)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,10:29) Hi MB, You say “God cannot possibly be WITH God.  So if the Word truly WAS God, then he couldn't have been WITH God.” But if it refers to the WORD of God? God is Spirit. Hi Nick, “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” (1Cor.2:11) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Lovely verse Ed

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,17:48)

Hi MB, You have a fine imagination. Where did anyone call you an expert?

What imagination, Nick?  

We know the Word of God in Rev 19 is Jesus.  We know that all things were created through Jesus.  

So when we read that all things were likewise created through the Word of God who was with God in the beginning, it's not too far of a leap in imagination.

Then, when we read that this Word of God through whom all things were created became flesh and had the glory of God's only begotten, the leap becomes a step.

Then, when Jesus tells us how God sent him down from heaven, and how he had glory alongside God before the world began, there's not even a step to make anymore.

Nick, these are just a few of the many scriptures that all support one another on this point.  We've listed over 50 of them on a thread called “Pre-existent Scripture Database” if you're interested.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
If the Spirit of God prays to God why would it be surprising that the Word could be of that Spirit?

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